Have u heard bout freedomia card? Up to 5k no-kyc digital

[Rikafip]

Just find someone IN PERSON willing to take BTC for cash and you've already solved 80% of the issue. Cash is more anonymous and untraceable than any card could be KYC or not.

That may work if you live in a big city, otherwise chances to constantly find someone willing to buy at the regular basis and exactly when you want to sell are slim.

What guarantees are there that this new company will last a year?

That's probably the reason why they don't offer monthly sub, and instead only yearly - they are not sure whether they survive for so long. 

[Don Pedro Dinero]

There are cards sold over the counter for years that are real and established which should be the government to solution for anyone that absolutely needs a visa or MasterCard.

Where do you buy those cards over the counter? In Greece? I don't know about Greece, but in Spain or the UK you can't buy any cards without completing KYC/AML upon registration. And even less so to top them up with cryptocurrencies.

Please enlighten us about those cards.

[yhiaali3]

~snip~
Anyway, I sent them an email asking about the list of banned countries and whether their services can be used in this case if the country is banned. I am waiting for their reply and when it comes I will put it here.

Did you get any response from them? I also sent an email a few days ago and haven't received any response yet - and then I joined their Telegram group and without asking any questions the admin banned me from the group. I don't know what the reason is for that, but whatever it is, they have a very strange way of attracting new clients.

Freedomia finally responded last night. It's true they were late, but it's good that they replied and offered a sincere apology, explaining that he's managing the project alone, so it's difficult for him to handle everything on his own. That's okay; it happens with new projects.


Unfortunately, the card is not useful to me. because my country is on the list of banned countries, so I won't be able to use it in places that block my country even with a VPN.

[Lucius]

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Unfortunately, the card is not useful to me. because my country is on the list of banned countries, so I won't be able to use it in places that block my country even with a VPN.

I wouldn't agree that with a VPN (not a free or bad one) you can't fool that system. If you buy a card using VPN, you pay with crypto and then you buy/pay with that card exclusively online using VPN, no one can know where you are actually from. What can be a problem is that the card provider detects the VPN and blocks the card, but this has never happened to me so far.

This doesn't mean that I advise you to use this service anyway, just that there are ways to use some things even if they are officially banned.

[yhiaali3]

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Unfortunately, the card is not useful to me. because my country is on the list of banned countries, so I won't be able to use it in places that block my country even with a VPN.

I wouldn't agree that with a VPN (not a free or bad one) you can't fool that system. If you buy a card using VPN, you pay with crypto and then you buy/pay with that card exclusively online using VPN, no one can know where you are actually from. What can be a problem is that the card provider detects the VPN and blocks the card, but this has never happened to me so far.

This doesn't mean that I advise you to use this service anyway, just that there are ways to use some things even if they are officially banned.

Yes, I agree with you. As long as the VPN is working and changing the location of the restricted country, the card should work, except for services linked to personal information, such as Google services associated with the account or Apple services.

However, I consider this a positive point for Freedomia; they don't want to take responsibility for anything that might happen to users from restricted countries. Therefore, using the card will be at the user's own risk.

[dkbit98]

In most countries of the world there exist local providers or prepaid MasterCard or visa cards that require no verification whatsoever and can be bought by anyone on exchange for cash at kiosks, supermarkets etc.

That is simply not true.
I don't know in what reality or part of the world you are a living, but there is zero chance you can buy cards like that anywhere in Europe.

Where do you buy those cards over the counter? In Greece? I don't know about Greece, but in Spain or the UK you can't buy any cards without completing KYC/AML upon registration. And even less so to top them up with cryptocurrencies.

I traveled all over the world and I never heard about cards like that.
One of my friends is living in Greece and they are very strict with cards and cash payments, they have a bunch of limitations.

[DaveF]

Looks interesting and the $60 / year is not the worst.

But, if you tie it to your phone to use in google pay you are still giving up some privacy.
Unless you have a 2nd phone that is not tied to you.

And yeah, it's only 1.9% top up. The BTC rate I see vs other places is a little low so I don't know if that is a profit center for him or just a bit of a lag between what I see online and their price updating.

-Dave

[Lucius]

Looks interesting and the $60 / year is not the worst.

I think the price is fair for what you get, the only thing you have to accept is the risk that comes with these types of services - because the owner can be 100% honest, but he depends on the card issuer, which is subject to supervision and checks by various agencies.

But, if you tie it to your phone to use in google pay you are still giving up some privacy.
Unless you have a 2nd phone that is not tied to you.

Considering how cheap smartphones are today, this shouldn't be a problem for those who want more privacy. When paying through the POS, you should keep in mind that everything is under camera surveillance, so if someone wants to find you, it's hard to stay hidden.

And yeah, it's only 1.9% top up. The BTC rate I see vs other places is a little low so I don't know if that is a profit center for him or just a bit of a lag between what I see online and their price updating.

-Dave

The top-up fee is more than reasonable for me personally, it can hardly go below that, although it is possible that it will be even lower in the future. In any case, this is perhaps one of the best options when it comes to NO-KYC cards, given the high monthly limit and the possibility of withdrawing cash from ATMs.

However, it should be taken into account that ATM withdrawals work only at banks that approve withdrawals from mobile wallets (NFC), and as I read in their group, in some countries the thing works, but not in others.