What do you think about making bitcoin your pension plan?

[Boldfx]

Generally everyone knows youthful age is a space of time used to build wealth for future purposes because reality states that everything new must grow old, so as human
This is to say that age is a crucial thing for us all, because at our old age we can no longer do strenuous businesses and also multitask thinking  so gathering for old age is a must watch for all humans, having savings and reserves for tomorrow is what everyone is looking forward to
This brings my mind down to bitcoin and its growth because since I knew bitcoin it was worth noting, then I had no positive knowledge about bitcoin, now bitcoin has a staggering $95K market value and it is growing nonstop everyday it brings me to the point of realizing my mistakes of not acquiring as much bitcoin as I could, the time no one including myself didn't believe satoshi will become the lord of the highest coin in the coin technology, this is a tittle from me though
Talking about making bitcoin your pension plan from my experience with bitcoin I've seen it change into different prices within a few years,
My concern is with the rise of local commodities rising,  the value of fiat dropping rapidly, most importantly war's everywhere one might endure a tenure of war and anything it may be because no one knows what will happen tomorrow but one thing is certain, bitcoin price must surely skyrocket and you can choose to find peace and be king anywhere you wish as long as you own bitcoin.

[Ambatman]

but one thing is certain, bitcoin price must surely skyrocket and you can choose to find peace and be king anywhere you wish as long as you own bitcoin

Hate to burst your bubble or be a bringer of bad news
But nothing is really certain except maybe death.
There's no assurance that it would always rise just a possibility closer than it falling.

Though I support planning for the future but what's the future if today isnt taken care of.

[ZAINmalik75]

Well, you are not the first one to think about this thing, almost every single person who is into Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies must have thought of buying and storing as many bitcoins as they can so that they can have a secure future with enough money for them so that they can either run a small business with it or just use it to do something that will allow them to earn a living without having to do hard work anymore because you obviously can't work at that age, as you said, and you must have a source of income or at least enough savings to get you through the rest of your life from that age.

The biggest challenge though in doing this is having enough patience to keep holding onto the funds until the right time comes. Most people can't do it, they might keep buying and saving, but at one point, especially if they face financial problems, they start liquidating their assets and eat them up slowly, which is why it's very important for someone investing and holding Bitcoin to have a permanent source of income, or at least have some more savings that they can use for such times so that they don't liquidate their Bitcoin holdings.

[BlackHatCoiner]

But nothing is really certain except maybe death.

Obviously nothing is certain, but what is your best bet as a pension plan? That is the real question. You can bet on your 401k, or on gold & silver, or on bitcoin. But if you've studied bitcoin enough, you should have realized that the whole pension system is a Ponzi scheme, the entire stock market is a bubble kept inflating by the fiat money printer, and bitcoin is just an asymmetrical bet which can give higher returns than gold. At the end of the day, you just have to make a choice...

[Donneski]

I agree with you on one thing which is; youth is the best window to build for the future and Bitcoin has undeniably changed lives for those who understood it early. Fiat is losing value, governments are reckless and Bitcoin offers an alternative that didn’t exist before.

But let’s be honest, nothing is promised. Not Bitcoin, not fiat, not peace, not tomorrow. Saying Bitcoin must surely skyrocket is the same mindset traditional investors had about safe systems that eventually failed. Of a truth, Bitcoin is powerful but it’s not a magic pension machine. It rewards discipline, patience and self-custody not blind certainty. Anyone treating it as a guaranteed retirement plan is already making a dangerous assumption.

[EL MOHA]

But let’s be honest, nothing is promised. Not Bitcoin, not fiat, not peace, not tomorrow. Saying Bitcoin must surely skyrocket is the same mindset traditional investors had about safe systems that eventually failed. Of a truth, Bitcoin is powerful but it’s not a magic pension machine. It rewards discipline, patience and self-custody not blind certainty. Anyone treating it as a guaranteed retirement plan is already making a dangerous assumption.

I will still pitch my tent on bitcoin because basically if we are looking at the effect that bitcoin increasing in profit isn’t guaranteed as we can still have possibility of it going the opposite direction and not actually upward but I will say this is exactly same thing that I will say about Fiat system because they are also posing risk of inflation, in fact Fiat been affected with inflation case is actually more likely to happen than bitcoin not gaining price power over a long period of time.

This also includes other businesses schemes too none of them are actually considered safe heaven if we look at it from this angle. Why do I then pick bitcoin above them is simply because of it been a store of value over a long period of time as my funds isn’t under the scare of losing value due to inflation again which is common among the other two

[BitMaxz]

I think you didn't know how a pension plan actually works? Bitcoin won't give you a monthly income; a pension plan will, but they only release it when you are old or in the stage where you can't make income due to disability.
Having a Bitcoin and holding it for a long time is different; the price changes every cycle, and based on the historical price, we see long-term growth.
The benefits: if you can hold the BTC for the long term, you can sell it at a higher price, and it is your choice if you want to sell it gradually or sell all of your holdings. So you won't be able to make it as pension plan because they work differently.

[bitmover]

I think you didn't know how a pension plan actually works? Bitcoin won't give you a monthly income; a pension plan will, but they only release it when you are old or in the stage where you can't make income due to disability.
Having a Bitcoin and holding it for a long time is different; the price changes every cycle, and based on the historical price, we see long-term growth.
The benefits: if you can hold the BTC for the long term, you can sell it at a higher price, and it is your choice if you want to sell it gradually or sell all of your holdings. So you won't be able to make it as pension plan because they work differently.

People like giving names to things, like Bitcon as a pension plan...

Just holding bitcoin for long term, like decades isn't making it a pension plan.

When thinking about retirement, a monthly income is extremely important.  Specially when you are dealing with a cyclic asset like bitcoin. Imagine having to sell a bit of your bitcoin every month to cover your monthly expenses if the price is too low.

I made a tool with JayJuanGee which helps to evaluate a withdrawal strategy based in bitcoin 200 week moving average price. But not exactly a monthly income because if the price is too much lower than the 200 WMA, you can't sell any bitcoin in that month
https://bitcoindata.science/withdrawal-strategy

[serjent05]

Making Bitcoin a pension plan is indeed a good idea if the price cycle doesn't get broken.  We all know that Bitcoin has a 4-year cycle where each cycle Bitcoin records a new ATH.  So if the price pattern of Bitcoin still continues, imagine saving Bitcoin for 2 to 3 cycles as a pension plan, how much profit it can give.

But obviously, we are not sure about the future, but I still believe that it is fine as long as what we put into saving Bitcoin is the money that we can afford to lose during those times of buying it through DCA.

[AVE5]

You've said well Op but you're on the wrong side to say bitcoin price is increasing on everyday. That's obviously a hype and lie because volatilities that determines what the price will be overtimes doesn't only trend in the uptrend direction for you to say the price increases every day.
Perhaps the right term should be that bitcoin price increases over the long time While the short term determinant can be uncertained.
The ideal of earning and stacking of bitcoin for retirement is very much good, it stores your funds against inflation or probably is a safe haven towards the threats of economy crisis and wars.
It digitality and limited supplies is all good for long term goal as that of a youth saving for retirement because it could increase in values in the long time while the fiats will always be diminished by its purchase power.

[sunsilk]

Talking about making bitcoin your pension plan from my experience with bitcoin I've seen it change into different prices within a few years,
My concern is with the rise of local commodities rising,  the value of fiat dropping rapidly, most importantly war's everywhere one might endure a tenure of war and anything it may be because no one knows what will happen tomorrow but one thing is certain, bitcoin price must surely skyrocket and you can choose to find peace and be king anywhere you wish as long as you own bitcoin.

It's also increasing in value as the price goes up. So, it's catching up with the rise of goods and commodities that we need.

I think it's already proven that it goes up so if you're concerned about that, there's no need for you to be problematic about inflation.

And that's because Bitcoin is a deflationary currency and due to its supply limit, it won't balloon in inflation and so as time passes by it's the reason why people who understands it made their own retirement plan by simply holding it.

[Luke3bird]

Talking about making bitcoin your pension plan from my experience with bitcoin I've seen it change into different prices within a few years,
My concern is with the rise of local commodities rising,  the value of fiat dropping rapidly, most importantly war's everywhere one might endure a tenure of war and anything it may be because no one knows what will happen tomorrow but one thing is certain, bitcoin price must surely skyrocket and you can choose to find peace and be king anywhere you wish as long as you own bitcoin.

Building up your pension plan financially is a long term practice and it comes from your income in the past, the present to the future as well as how you manage your finance in order to have enough considerable savings that can be partially used for your pension fund.

Bitcoin can be a part of your pension fund as with its good potential of growing up considerably with time, by saving your money in bitcoin, your pension fund will grow up considerably with time as well. This means if  you can have bitcoin in your pension fund, you will reach to your pension fund target sooner than if you only store fiat currency for your pension fund.

If you only have fiat currency in pension fund, the fund does not grow with time passively while more terribly its purchasing power decreases with time by inflationary effects.

[Chikito]

My concern is with the rise of local commodities rising,  the value of fiat dropping rapidly, most importantly war's everywhere one might endure a tenure of war and anything it may be because no one knows what will happen tomorrow but one thing is certain, bitcoin price must surely skyrocket and you can choose to find peace and be king anywhere you wish as long as you own bitcoin.

I must clarify something: true, Bitcoin will protect the value, and may increase your wealth, but you must manage your plan accordingly so as not to put all your eggs in one basket. You have to plan on another investment, for example, gold or any other investments that can cover the shortcomings of Bitcoin. Maybe this moment, bitcoin is the most perfect for your pension plan, but we don't know in the future, bitcoin may have a weak spot, and if you have another investment besides bitcoin, it could cover that spot.

[BlackBoss_]

I must clarify something: true, Bitcoin will protect the value, and may increase your wealth, but you must manage your plan accordingly so as not to put all your eggs in one basket. You have to plan on another investment, for example, gold or any other investments that can cover the shortcomings of Bitcoin. Maybe this moment, bitcoin is the most perfect for your pension plan, but we don't know in the future, bitcoin may have a weak spot, and if you have another investment besides bitcoin, it could cover that spot.

Bitcoin does not protect value of fiat currency or purchasing power of fiat currency. It does not have responsibility and ability to do that task but Bitcoin has its own value that has increased parabolically and exponentially with years so far.

People by storing their assets and wealth in Bitcoin, will be protected against inflation of fiat currency and decline of fiat currency purchasing power. This means by storing money in bitcoin, their wealth will increase with time in equivalent value in fiat currency. That's how Bitcoin can work for people who believe and store their wealth in bitcoin a long time.

Bitcoin, in other words, does not fix any issues of central banks and fiat currencies globally, it's the task of governments and central banks.

[Die_empty]

Talking about making bitcoin your pension plan from my experience with bitcoin I've seen it change into different prices within a few years,
My concern is with the rise of local commodities rising,  the value of fiat dropping rapidly, most importantly war's everywhere one might endure a tenure of war and anything it may be because no one knows what will happen tomorrow but one thing is certain, bitcoin price must surely skyrocket and you can choose to find peace and be king anywhere you wish as long as you own bitcoin.

If you have a job, ensure that there is a pension plan. Bitcoin price is volatile; you might be forced to sell off even when there is a massive price drop. Bitcoin would be ideal as a pension if you have a large amount or you have held it for a long time.     

You are right that since Bitcoin is decentralised, it could be used anywhere in the world. Those in war areas could easily migrate to other safer countries with their Bitcoin. However, there is no guarantee that Bitcoin would skyrocket during conflicts. 

[gunhell16]

I’m not sure if OP fully understands the term used in the title. A 'pension' is a fixed sum paid regularly by the government or an employer
to a person after they retire.

Is there actually a government that distributes Bitcoin as a monthly pension to retirees? As far as I know, no such country exists yet. It would be more accurate to talk about 'saving' Bitcoin yourself until you reach retirement age. At least that way, you benefit from the long-term appreciation
of Bitcoin’s value by the time you're a senior citizen.

[Loyang]

Generally everyone knows youthful age is a space of time used to build wealth for future purposes because reality states that everything new must grow old, so as human
This is to say that age is a crucial thing for us all, because at our old age we can no longer do strenuous businesses and also multitask thinking  so gathering for old age is a must watch for all humans, having savings and reserves for tomorrow is what everyone is looking forward to
This brings my mind down to bitcoin and its growth because since I knew bitcoin it was worth noting, then I had no positive knowledge about bitcoin, now bitcoin has a staggering $95K market value and it is growing nonstop everyday it brings me to the point of realizing my mistakes of not acquiring as much bitcoin as I could, the time no one including myself didn't believe satoshi will become the lord of the highest coin in the coin technology, this is a tittle from me though
Talking about making bitcoin your pension plan from my experience with bitcoin I've seen it change into different prices within a few years,
My concern is with the rise of local commodities rising,  the value of fiat dropping rapidly, most importantly war's everywhere one might endure a tenure of war and anything it may be because no one knows what will happen tomorrow but one thing is certain, bitcoin price must surely skyrocket and you can choose to find peace and be king anywhere you wish as long as you own bitcoin.

Each person has their own plan or their own decision for what purpose they will invest. Many people invest in Bitcoin to build a house or collect Bitcoin thinking that in the future all transactions can be made in Bitcoin or invest thinking that the value of Bitcoin can skyrocket in the future. But you want to invest in Bitcoin as a pension, so that in the future you can use Bitcoin as a pension. This will be a very good decision. But you have to continue investing through proper management.

the time no one including myself didn't believe satoshi will become the lord of the highest coin in the coin technology

Among those who had technical knowledge, almost everyone believed in Bitcoin. When Bitcoin first came to the market, some people made videos, in those videos it was said to buy and hold Bitcoin. Those who had no technical knowledge did not believe in Bitcoin at that time.

bitcoin price must surely skyrocket and you can choose to find peace

There is no guarantee of anything in this world except one thing, which is death. The Bitcoin market is very volatile, no one can say when the Bitcoin market will fall or rise. So we can never guarantee that the price of Bitcoin will always increase.

[Japinat]

but one thing is certain, bitcoin price must surely skyrocket and you can choose to find peace and be king anywhere you wish as long as you own bitcoin

Hate to burst your bubble or be a bringer of bad news
But nothing is really certain except maybe death.
There's no assurance that it would always rise just a possibility closer than it falling.

Though I support planning for the future but what's the future if today isnt taken care of.

That's exactly the reality. No matter how promising bitcoin at the present, and majority are seeing it as a future retirement, but IMHO, there is no guarantee that bitcoin will be more valuable in the future.

What we have are just pure speculations and predictions, but there is no 100% certainty there. But we're lucky if we managed to start buying and hodling bitcoin now and witness how it reached its new all time high multiple times, although there is no real assurance and high reliability that this will happen in the near future.

[MainIbem]

I agree with you on one thing which is; youth is the best window to build for the future and Bitcoin has undeniably changed lives for those who understood it early. Fiat is losing value, governments are reckless and Bitcoin offers an alternative that didn’t exist before.

But let’s be honest, nothing is promised. Not Bitcoin, not fiat, not peace, not tomorrow. Saying Bitcoin must surely skyrocket is the same mindset traditional investors had about safe systems that eventually failed. Of a truth, Bitcoin is powerful but it’s not a magic pension machine. It rewards discipline, patience and self-custody not blind certainty. Anyone treating it as a guaranteed retirement plan is already making a dangerous assumption.

That's true, every youth should take advantage of their youth age and "build for the future" like yoi said bit then it's not a bad idea for pensioners to invest in Bitcoin too, i know some pensioner who started little businesses with their pensions money, managed it well amd grew with time but not everyone is very good with handling a business so investing some portions of their pensions money is not a bad idea and Bitcoin as we all know is a very profitable form of investment in modern times. They can just DCA with their discretionary funds and it can't serve as an asset left for their kids in future, when they pass away.

[MusaPk]

I think you didn't know how a pension plan actually works? Bitcoin won't give you a monthly income; a pension plan will, but they only release it when you are old or in the stage where you can't make income due to disability.
Having a Bitcoin and holding it for a long time is different; the price changes every cycle, and based on the historical price, we see long-term growth.
The benefits: if you can hold the BTC for the long term, you can sell it at a higher price, and it is your choice if you want to sell it gradually or sell all of your holdings. So you won't be able to make it as pension plan because they work differently.

Pension is given to a person on monthly basis when he retires at certain age, the age varies from country to country. Those who are in there twenties or thirties can  start investing some % of there income in Bitcoin on weekly or monthly basis and since they are young they can keep investing in Bitcoin for next 15 to 20 years. You made a right comparison between pension plan and Bitcoin investment but the key benefit Bitcoin will give after 15 to 20 years of investment is that its price will be massively high. The bitcoiners have the advantage of having a huge lump sum money at there disposal when they retire.