Is The Seed Phrase An Unavoidable Cost Of Self-Custody?

[Dulen007]

Even with better wallets and stronger tools available today, most Bitcoin losses still trace back to one issue which is, Seed Phrase Exposure usually through social engineering, not technical failure.

Given that seed phrases are;
 Irreversible
 Impossible to recover
 Fully dependent on user behavior

Do you see this model as an unavoidable trade off for financial sovereignty, or a longterm adoption risk that Bitcoin UX has not yet solved?

Is this simply the price of freedom, or an area where meaningful improvement is still possible?

Interested in experienced perspectives though...

[Hypnotizer]

Is this simply the price of freedom, or an area where meaningful improvement is still possible?
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Yes, this is the price for freedom..that is why it is called Self Custody you need to take the full responsibility for the freedom you have because since you have the control over money which the bank formerly have, then you should take the protection of your money very seriously because there will be no second chance if you mess up.

What improvements do you think should be made?

Scammer and scams will always be there in existence, so the best thing is to protect and prevent them to gaining access to your assets or funds by all means.

[hmbdofficial]

Even with better wallets and stronger tools available today, most Bitcoin losses still trace back to one issue which is, Seed Phrase Exposure usually through social engineering, not technical failure.

Given that seed phrases are;
 Irreversible
 Impossible to recover
 Fully dependent on user behavior

Do you see this model as an unavoidable trade off for financial sovereignty, or a longterm adoption risk that Bitcoin UX has not yet solved?

Is this simply the price of freedom, or an area where meaningful improvement is still possible?

Interested in experienced perspectives though...

This is simple, you want to enjoy freedom then  follow rules, every system that works has its guidelines  for the fear of losing seen phrase it’s not advice to stack all your holding in one wallet so you may split them for long time storage. If you fear that you can’t store your seed, then let the custodial wallet hold it for you but just knw you aren’t bin control.
All the improvement that will happen can’t deviate from the basic that why it is referred to as building layers on the previous standards.

[ColdLava40]

Do you see this model as an unavoidable trade off for financial sovereignty, or a longterm adoption risk that Bitcoin UX has not yet solved?

Well the price of freedom literary does not require that much if compared to the normal financial system. Most investors are just careless.

It's not that hard to store your seed phrase.

Even if there's an improvement on the aspect of seed phrases on bitcoin, the main work should on the investors. They need to know how to keep their keys safe.

[DPHOR]

It's designed this way so that only and I mean just you can have access to your wealth without any third party interfering into your possession. Of course it's Hardly to believe that many people aren't understanding the system correctly before venturing into acquisition of Bitcoin otherwise if they knows what they are doing there wouldn't had been any day where someone could be so careless about their possession or their assets. The reason why it would built and designed this was to restructure and redefined the financial system where nobody has no authority towards your acquisition and not even the so called government or even the creator. That is why you need to be taking full responsibility of your acquisitions.

[Merit.s]

Being your own bank comes with full responsibility of you keeping your seed phrase safe from third party and other security aspects to safeguard your wallet from being compromised.

Using a hardware wallet is safer than using a hot wallet because with a hardware wallet, your seed phrase is always offline and gives the attacker no access to your seed phrase online. It's good you add passphrase to your seed phrase for an extra layer of security and keep your seed phrase and passphrase in a different place so that if anyone have access to your seed phrase, he will not be able to access your wallet. Make three duplicates of your seed phrase and store them in three different locations far from each other.

[Charles-Tim]

Some private keys are lost just because the wallet owners do not know that bitcoin will grow like this. They thought that the amount of bitcoin that they have is just small.

The social engineering hack is easy to avoid. Other ways hackers can steal your bitcoin are not hard to learn about and avoid them but some people are just holding bitcoin but did not learn how to avoid hackers and scammers.

What I see to this is that people should learn how to avoid scam and hack.

It is worth knowing that some people have their coins on exchanges but they were still hacked or scammed.

[Hyphen(-)]

Do you see this model as an unavoidable trade off for financial sovereignty, or a longterm adoption risk that Bitcoin UX has not yet solved?

Well the price of freedom literary does not require that much if compared to the normal financial system. Most investors are just careless.

It's not that hard to store your seed phrase.

Even if there's an improvement on the aspect of seed phrases on bitcoin, the main work should on the investors. They need to know how to keep their keys safe.

Exactly, an investor who cannot take care of their seed phrase doesn’t value their investment because you can’t expect someone else to manage your wealth for you because once a third party is involved in managing your finance, there is no privacy again, and no financial freedom because that manager will have access to your wallet and might have to approve before you can be able to withdraw your funds which is bad.

It’s high time for investors to keep taking responsibility of their wallet security because that’s the only simple task for them to keep their Bitcoin safe.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

Yes, seed phrase and private key is the cost of self custody, that's how the Bitcoin was developed to give you freedom and put you in control of your asset, it's left for the holder to be careful with how they store their phrases and keys, if the system is redesigned such that one can easily recover their phrases if lost, I think that will increase the rate of theft because scammers will easily be hacking into people's wallet. The system is okay like that, people should learn how to handle their security or they can trust the centralized platform that they assumed their coins is safer on.

[Cryptoprincess101]

Do you see this model as an unavoidable trade off for financial sovereignty, or a longterm adoption risk that Bitcoin UX has not yet solved?

It is a tradeoff for financial sovereignty because it determines the access to your money at any time which is not in the custody of another but in your own custody. It is not an adoption risk because the risk of having something in your control is lesser than leaving it in the control of other people. Bitcoin user experience will improve with time but i don't think that seed phrase will become a problem in the long term.

Is this simply the price of freedom, or an area where meaningful improvement is still possible?

Both

[Princess Leah]

Even with better wallets and stronger tools available today, most Bitcoin losses still trace back to one issue which is, Seed Phrase Exposure usually through social engineering, not technical failure.

Given that seed phrases are;
 Irreversible
 Impossible to recover
 Fully dependent on user behavior

Do you see this model as an unavoidable trade off for financial sovereignty, or a longterm adoption risk that Bitcoin UX has not yet solved?

Is this simply the price of freedom, or an area where meaningful improvement is still possible?

Interested in experienced perspectives though...

If you're careless concerning what you have full custody of then you could end up losing it, Bitcoin has already assured users a good security, in the sense that it can't be hacked if you use a wallet you have custody of and protect your keys, it's not Satoshi fault if anyone expose their keys or fail to prioritise self custody.
 
 Which is why I can't advise that Bitcoin users store their coin in an exchange or wallet that doesn't guarantee self custody,  Satoshi has played his own path by investing something that gives us full control of our wealth, it's left for us to avoid errors that would make us lose what we store in it.

[Shadiq]

The main purpose of self-custody is that your money is your right and along with rights, it also gives you responsibilities. So if you expect to recover it using a self-custody wallet, it will not be called self-custody, because for recovery, your information must be stored with some party. That is, in this process you will not get rid of the hands of a third party.

When you are using a self-custody wallet, you have to consider yourself as a bank owner where only your money will be and you have to take all the responsibilities of that bank and no one will know all the information except you. Since no one else has any responsibility or can collect any information except you, it is not possible to recover the seed phrase or any information of the self-custody wallet. Rather, you have to be responsible and take your responsibility seriously. It never changes.

[Jubilee58]

Seed phrase is absolutely unavoidable if really you want your bitcoin to be safe for you. While seed phrase is imperative to keep your bitcoin investment safe, ensure your seed phrase is safe, some persons have lost access to their bitcoin because they were careless about their seed phrase. Seed phrase is meant to be kept in a safe and secured place where nobody will get access to it.
No matter how close you are with a friend, don't be tempted to expose your private key to him or her because doing such a thing can lead to envy .

In nutshell, private is very necessary in Bitcoin investment and to keep your bitcoin safe you need have it and make it intact.

[Lembo69]

Keep the seed phrase in a way that hackers or scammers can't know anything, not even a single word. How to secure the seed phrase.

• Never take screenshots.
• Don't write it down anywhere online.
• Write it down in a notebook and keep it in a safe place.
• Don't share a single word with anyone with seed phrase.

If you don't keep your seed phrase under your own responsibility, you are completely at risk of losing your money.

Although wallets are now much more advanced, human error is still the biggest risk. If you are aware and take responsibility, investing is much safer.

I used to keep my Bitcoin on an exchange, but now I move it to a wallet. Now I feel much more secure.

This is not only the price of freedom, but also the opportunity to increase security, which can be improved with UX and Social Recovery.

[promise444c5]

It’s not a price, but if you want freedom, you must learn to take full responsibility just like every custodian will take responsibility for any money lost by them, either through a hack, social engineering, or whatever..

Banks, fintech companies, and other custodian services take full responsibility for your funds, but in exchange, you have to trust them not to lose it under any circumstances. so if you want "freedom”, you have to do the same but this time around.. it’s your money.

A seed phrase can be given solid protection, but only those who truly want this “freedom” do it the right way. Don’t ask me how.. it’s pretty obvious.