Can a mathematician figure out how to win in gambling?

[NurseHub]

I do not believe being a mathematician can help you predict games in gambling, especially in sports. And not even all mathematicians are also gamblers, and I don't think your teacher is one. Of course, such scholars will hardly be found gambling because most of their time is always spent learning how to solve new equations. Even as a mathematician, it still involved luck because if gambling wasn't a game of luck, there would be lots of wins every day, and the gambling company wouldn't make a profit either.

[alegotardo]

Some times I ask my self this question,when I was much younger schooling in secondary school I saw one of my teacher who is a mathematician he solve different maths algebra, statistics,in fact they normally pay him to teach in many private school,but till now he is still suffering in the local community,and this question enter my mind if mathematician can solve different equations why can't them be the richest in gambling.
Is this different and difficult for them to solve and figure out who is supposed to win or score in the next rounds in football?

Your opinion is highly appreciated.

No!

A person who understand math very well will to be smart enough to know that they ca not beat the casino, so they wont gamble to win money but maybe they will still gamble just for fun... for entertainment... but they will certainly understand that cannot beat the casino based only in statistics.

Do you understand??? The games are designed so that, mathematically, cassinos always are favored, so to beat them you need at least one of these other two factors: relying on luck or being very strategically skilled to win a card game or sports betting, for example.

In short... I think someone good with math might be able to extend their stay at game, reducing losses with a good bankroll management, but inevitably they will have the same end as any other gambler in the long run.

[SUPERSAIAN]

I generally bet on sports, so I don't have much of a mathematical side to it. While there might be some mathematics involved in games like poker and blackjack, I don't think even the most mathematically gifted people could figure out the complexities of it. If calculating probability were simple, something someone who only knew algebra could do, then those people would be rich and casinos would go bankrupt. So it's not like that.

[Stepstowealth]

There is no person who can figure out the results in gambling, even if its the best mathematician in the world.

If maintaining a consistent wining is something a mathematician could do, then many mathematicians would have been very successful in gambling.
Also the number of gamblers that have been successful in gambling would have been mathematicians as well, but because this is not so, your mathematical qualification will not make you luckier in gambling, it may only help you manage your losses better. If you happen to find any mathematician claiming to be a consistent winner when they gambler, doubt them very well.
It also feels like plenty stress trying to apply mathematical knowledge to something that you should be relaxing with, I mean gambling.

[fullfitlarry]

Some times I ask my self this question,when I was much younger schooling in secondary school I saw one of my teacher who is a mathematician he solve different maths algebra, statistics,in fact they normally pay him to teach in many private school,but till now he is still suffering in the local community,and this question enter my mind if mathematician can solve different equations why can't them be the richest in gambling.
Is this different and difficult for them to solve and figure out who is supposed to win or score in the next rounds in football?

Your opinion is highly appreciated.

Short term Yes.

But long term and trying to beat the odds? I don't think so, they could exploit the system though before the casino might found out what they are doing and so they will just adjust everything so that what this mathematician fight have been fought will not work again.

For sports gambling, there are data indeed, but still even if you have everything and slice it into pieces, you're not going to be successful as there are element of randomness that we can't figure out even if you are good at math.

[Hypnosis00]

Is there anyone on the forum (a mathematician) who can confirm that it works? I guess nothing. And it is difficult to prove.

I don't want to believe it's true, and I don't think that luck can be manipulated. They can count on the card, but it surely won't work. Not even in sports betting.

So what these mathematicians are capable of is just making speculations, and the only thing that makes their speculation right is luck. Honestly, many gamblers win simply by learning from their experience.

[HelliumZ]

No calculation works in winning gambling bets, no matter how great the calculations of a mathematician. If gambling was really possible to make a profit by a good mathematician, then many people would have been educated by that good mathematician and become mathematicians and constantly busy themselves with gambling.

No technical analysis, mathematical analysis, or any other formula works in gambling, but it depends entirely on luck.

[Versatile_choice]

If calculating probability were simple, something someone who only knew algebra could do, then those people would be rich and casinos would go bankrupt. So it's not like that.

But unfortunately it's not simple so it is high time we stop digging out things that would make us to win in the long run because no matter how hard we try we can't even find a solution because casinos has programmed gambling in such a way that no one can outsmart them. I feel that before gambling was created they searched everywhere to see if there's anything that would guarantee wining and maybe they seem not to find any reasonable thing, so gambling is programed in a way that you can't win unless you're lucky.

[Sonia_123]

Some times I ask my self this question,when I was much younger schooling in secondary school I saw one of my teacher who is a mathematician he solve different maths algebra, statistics,in fact they normally pay him to teach in many private school,but till now he is still suffering in the local community,and this question enter my mind if mathematician can solve different equations why can't them be the richest in gambling.
Is this different and difficult for them to solve and figure out who is supposed to win or score in the next rounds in football?

Your opinion is highly appreciated.

Gambling is a different thing entirely that cannot be compared to solving mathematics or any other profession, that is why you see alot of professionals thinks they can win in gambling because they so much believe in their ability but gets disappointed at the end.

Gambling success depends on how well you study the game and then backed up with luck, yes a mathematician might be good and use to win gambling, but it is very rare and cannot be used often maybe luck was on their side that very day and the game did not work out because of the mathematician but his luck.

[Cantsay]

I'm no mathematician so I can’t really tell how they would do it. But knowing and understanding numbers can probably give you an advantage compared to others. However, i don’t think that it will give you a guaranteed win in gambling. Maybe it differs on what kind of game you will be playing but with math and deep analysis, you can probably know the percent or the probability of winning the game it usually has multiple outcome so you either bet on each outcome or be lucky enough to win. It’s still usually all about lucky and just a bit of advantage with numbers.

The only advantage I can think of right now is management and how to divide their bets or their bankroll to get the most use of it, but as for using it to predict the outcome of a game? Nah! Maths isn’t going to help.

If you check most of the strategies developed by mathematicians you’ll see that the probability of losing with it is still very large, large enough to consider just playing normally without any complicated technique.

[Webutxo]

Some times I ask my self this question,when I was much younger schooling in secondary school I saw one of my teacher who is a mathematician he solve different maths algebra, statistics,in fact they normally pay him to teach in many private school,but till now he is still suffering in the local community,and this question enter my mind if mathematician can solve different equations why can't them be the richest in gambling.
Is this different and difficult for them to solve and figure out who is supposed to win or score in the next rounds in football?

Your opinion is highly appreciated.

Have you ever thought about ideas that comes to your head and for once ask yourself that what if what I'm trying to ask someone must have try it before? There is nothing that you can think about gambling that another person hasn't tried to do before and some even better than yours thought but you see one thing about gambling, you can never beat the house, the casino run as a business, they are there to make momey and not to lose the company fortune to people.

If there is a way math's can be used to make money from the casino, I will like you to know that casino are 3 steps ahead. You can't beat the house, if a mathematician develop a way to tweak casino games, rest assure that game will be close and will be reviewed and the come back is going to be harder than the way it's from beginning, that's how gambling business is run. They can lose to the public but it's been monitored and well supervise.

[Cyber_warrior]

I do not believe being a mathematician can help you predict games in gambling, especially in sports.

Sports isn’t calculation so how are going to be so reach as a mathematician? Some people think too much, because gambling is not a calculation, so why does the OP think mathematicians are suppose to fucking rich from gambling? Gambling is not calculation, so it’s not even connected to mathematics, if you have mentioned another qualification, maybe I will have agreed with you, but mathematics shouldn’t be compared with gambling, it’s not the same.

[len01]

It’s not as easy as we might think. Even if someone is very good at mathematics, the gambling system can’t be beaten by relying on math alone. In sports betting, for example, deep analysis is indeed necessary to come up with accurate predictions, but luck still plays a big role. Take this as an example, a person who’s good at math bets on the total score, but surprisingly the match ends with both teams failing to score at all. So don’t assume that a math expert automatically has a big edge in winning money from gambling unless, of course, they turn their skills into something else and become a hacker.

[coin-investor]

If a mathematician can figure out how to win in gambling, then gambling will cease to exist and no casino will exist because mathematicians can easily shut them down.
I'm not a mathematician, but math is based on formulas and facts, which don't exist in gambling because it is luck-based, and nothing can solve the mystery of uncertainty. Math can only give probabilities, not exact results, when it comes to gambling.

[Z-tight]

Oh if that was the case, mathematicians would have closed down so many bookies and be sitting on huge wealth from gambling. You guys try to change the context of the subject, but it is still the same thing being asked, and that is if there is a way to win consistently in gambling. The answer remains unchanged, no. The bookies have the advantage and to win any bet, you have to be lucky, not that you have any winning formula or anything.

[uchegod-21]

In terms of sports betting (football), several factors influence the outcome.  Factors like injuries, form, management decisions, coach's tactics, weather condition and some other factors not mentioned here. Mathematical calculations will not be neccessary in situations like this when unexpected events or circumstances like weather condition or a player's injury disrupts the game which may affect your own prediction too.

Mathematicians usually focus too much on numbers, but in sports betting that’s only a small part of the picture.

What really matters is good analysis. If you have that, then there’s at least a chance to succeed. It’s about reading the game, including things like line movement, which pure math can’t fully explain or capture.

With experience and real familiarity with the sport you’re betting on, plus a bit of math of course, you’re more likely to get the decision right.

Sports betting involves analysis and mathematics is analytical in nature. Mathematics isn't just all about numbers as you have said it involves reason.
A good mathematician should be in analysing games however without luck it is all a waste because no matter how good they may be in there analysis luck is plays the major part here.

So, give us a practical example of how mathematical calculations and analysis can be applied in sports betting. freedomgo is right...what is used mostly by sport bettors are non-mathematicsl analysis where bettors rely on experience, team news, market behaviour and qualitative judgement to give their predictions. Mathematical calculations may be relevant when calculating odds, but that doesn't guarantee anything. Sports betting is just about understanding everything about the game, including the players and management of the game.

[Emeraldo]

Some times I ask my self this question,when I was much younger schooling in secondary school I saw one of my teacher who is a mathematician he solve different maths algebra, statistics,in fact they normally pay him to teach in many private school,but till now he is still suffering in the local community,and this question enter my mind if mathematician can solve different equations why can't them be the richest in gambling.
Is this different and difficult for them to solve and figure out who is supposed to win or score in the next rounds in football?

Your opinion is highly appreciated.

There is no way mathematician will predict gambling result accurately with their mathematical formulae.
Gambling is far from solving mathematics and if this is possible it would have made several casinos to file for bankruptcy because they will not be cool with the outcome of how gamblers will be learning difficult mathematics just to make sure that they are able to use the knowledge to make money from gambling and predicting the outcome of a bet through the mathematical knowledge they have gotten.

[johnsaributua]

Mathematics is about measuring, calculating, and logically analyzing something tangible. Even buying and selling are not always accurate when it comes to practice. Who wouldn't want to earn consistent profits from something simple, meaning with minimal risk capital? Everyone would want that and would prefer gambling to teaching at a small school, right? This is just logic, not the principle of dedication of a math teacher.

Gambling is a relationship between the user and the bookie, so when someone wins, someone else loses. When it comes to odds, it's possible to win, but the most important thing is to know when a gambler should quit in order to continue playing later, enjoy the profits (when they have a daily profit target), and not be ambitious even though it's difficult.

[Xylber]

It's possible in sports.
Small betting houses modify their odds depending on how much money people bet on each side (currently Polymarket does that). But big casinos and betting houses hired mathematicians, calculate the whole thing, and added a HUGE house edge to the sports.

Yeah, I saw a movie (forget the title) where a professor hired a mathematical genius for card counting and used it for gambling. They were successful and won millions in the casino, but I don't see it realistically happening in real life.

Blackjack21. It's based in a real life story. The reason it worked is because long ago, casinos used 4/6 decks and it was possible to count the cards. Today that's impossible because the casinos shuffle the full deck more often, some of them even after each hand.

[Lida93]

For the fact that a person is great at mathematics should mean he would do numbers with winning streaks should he be gambling because most often than not it's not about how much calculations you put into the game before staking that determines the outcome, just be that person who's very lucky and effortlessly you can be making profits more often while someone somewhere with all that equations and calculations about a game be it casino games or sports hasn't made a single win after multiple plays.