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[AB de Royse777]

So hypothetically saying.

Something unexpected happened in a deal with a user X, I create a flag and sent a red tag, I also made it public and others followed the same path as me. Later user X was able to sort out the issue with me, I am happy with the end. I removed my support from the flag and removed the red tag. However, I thought a message should be given to others and I left a neutral statement (not to sound negative or positive but a plain statement) as a note for others.

My questions is-
What course of action the community can take if some users do not want to remove the support from the flag and remove their red tag even knowing that there are no issues left between me and the user X?

[Hatchy]

They can be summoned to state their reasons for leaving the flag. Probably they had other experience with same user on varying occasions and since yours was somehow related, they decided to leave their tag as well. So even if you settled with the user X and renounced your tag, their reasons may still be intact. But if they had no experience with user x but was supporting your flag, then it would be moderate to change their flag as well..though it depends.

[AB de Royse777]

They can be summoned to state their reasons for leaving the flag. Probably they had other experience with same user on varying occasions and since yours was somehow related, they decided to leave their tag as well. So even if you settled with the user X and renounced your tag, their reasons may still be intact. But if they had no experience with user x but was supporting your flag, then it would be moderate to change their flag as well..though it depends.

If they have other reasons then they should have their own flag that will explain their reasons. The flag created by me should not mix with any other cases otherwise it will become confusing, won't it be?

[Mia Chloe]

My questions is-
What course of action the community can take if some users do not want to remove the support from the flag and remove their red tag even knowing that there are no issues left between me and the user X?

They ought to but it's also a thing of choice. Some can just assume that instead of removing the tag totally they could just replace a red tag with a neutral and state what happened if they still didn't change it and you changed your tag to neutral, yours should be at the top meaning someone reading should be able to see yours before others.

The forum cannot force anyone to do anything worse is they also leave a tag. If you find the red too inconvenient then you could just create a thread about it in reputation and tag them saying they should review.

[LoyceV]

What course of action the community can take if some users do not want to remove the support from the flag and remove their red tag even knowing that there are no issues left between me and the user X?

~Exclude them.

[AB de Royse777]

What course of action the community can take if some users do not want to remove the support from the flag and remove their red tag even knowing that there are no issues left between me and the user X?

~Exclude them.

Being a campaign manager - participating in DT voting and other community functions like merit source contradicts my role. It's one of the reason I removed my trust list and blacklisted myself from the Merit source long ago :-)

However, ~excluding them is the right choice in my opinion too.

[Donneski]

My questions is-
What course of action the community can take if some users do not want to remove the support from the flag and remove their red tag even knowing that there are no issues left between me and the user X?

It's a good thing that you've resolved your issue with user X and removed your tag but you can't be too certain if all the other tags were actually influenced by you, they might have distinct experiences with the user. At this stage, I think you should allow things cool off and let others adjust in their own time without trying to force closure so you don't end up prolonging the issue.

[Upgrade00]

My questions is-
What course of action the community can take if some users do not want to remove the support from the flag and remove their red tag even knowing that there are no issues left between me and the user X?

It's possible for the user who started the flag to remove their support while other users still consider it to be a valid case and are unsatisfied with the resolution, here no action needs to be taken as it's not straightforward.

If it's crystal clear that the issue has been solved as best as can be, reducing the voting power of those users is the best action to take. This is what you'll do to when a DT member wrongly uses the tag system when the case doesn't require it.

[KingsDen]

They can be summoned to state their reasons for leaving the flag. Probably they had other experience with same user on varying occasions and since yours was somehow related, they decided to leave their tag as well. So even if you settled with the user X and renounced your tag, their reasons may still be intact. But if they had no experience with user x but was supporting your flag, then it would be moderate to change their flag as well..though it depends.

If they have other reasons then they should have their own flag that will explain their reasons. The flag created by me should not mix with any other cases otherwise it will become confusing, won't it be?

That's true.
If they have distinct reason, they should raise their own flag and a new tag with different reference. To me, if the victim affirms case has been resolved, the case is totally dead.

Only that you removed your trust list, I would have suggested you make the neutral tag more powerful by stating that other red tags with respect to the case should be disregard.

Have you or the victim tried sending pm to the people concerned?

Meanwhile, flag should be neutralized immediately the accuser withdraws it.

[JeromeTash]

My questions is-
What course of action the community can take if some users do not want to remove the support from the flag and remove their red tag even knowing that there are no issues left between me and the user X?

Different members react differently to situations. So when you put up an accusation publically, expect them to react to it differently. Same thing with withdrawing the negative feedback or support for the flag.

What you can do for the flag is to get more DT members to oppose it vs those who have insisted on supporting it. The flag would then become inactive.

[KingsDen]

What you can do for the flag is to get more DT members to oppose it vs those who have insisted on supporting it. The flag would then become inactive.

A fair solution. Making public the link to the flag or sending it as a pm to a few DTs will work.

But how about the red tags?

[KWH]

What course of action the community can take if some users do not want to remove the support from the flag and remove their red tag even knowing that there are no issues left between me and the user X?

~Exclude them.

This is about the only viable option.

[JeromeTash]

But how about the red tags?

Maybe remind them about the status of the accusation? But the red tags are not as bad as those that are falsely sent, so I know some members may be reluctant to remove them. It's just a case of trust once broken cannot just get regained overnight.

[gibrab16]

So hypothetically saying.

Something unexpected happened in a deal with a user X, I create a flag and sent a red tag, I also made it public and others followed the same path as me. Later user X was able to sort out the issue with me, I am happy with the end. I removed my support from the flag and removed the red tag. However, I thought a message should be given to others and I left a neutral statement (not to sound negative or positive but a plain statement) as a note for others.

My questions is-
What course of action the community can take if some users do not want to remove the support from the flag and remove their red tag even knowing that there are no issues left between me and the user X?

You can’t force everyone, but leaving a neutral note + optional mod action usually does the trick.

[AB de Royse777]

Maybe remind them about the status of the accusation?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3504269;dt
What will be your opinion about this flag? The loan related issue settled and seeing the supports on the flag related to loan now inappropriate to me.

The recent development is the User X (in this case Obari) settled his loan related issue with the accuser (shasan) and the accuser is eventually happy end of the day, removed his support from the flag as well as the reg tag related to the loan default.

I will PM the others who is still supporting this flag and would like to know their opinion too.

[LoyceV]

Being a campaign manager - participating in DT voting and other community functions like merit source contradicts my role.

That doesn't make sense. You're a Bitcointalk user, anything else is irrelevant when it comes to the Trust system.

It's possible for the user who started the flag to remove their support while other users still consider it to be a valid case and are unsatisfied with the resolution

That's a good point. It's up for interpretation. Take a type 2 or 3 Flag:

XX did not make the victims of this act roughly whole, AND it is not the case that all of the victims forgave the act

If XX (who created the Flag) is made whole, he can Withdraw the Flag. But if other victims haven't been made whole, it's not a bad thing to keep the Flag active. Otherwise theymos could have automated this by invalidating the Flag the moment XX withdraws it.

[Upgrade00]

That's a good point. It's up for interpretation.

And independent thinking should be encouraged as much as possible. People support flags (or should do) cause they have gone through the details of the case submitted and agree that this is a violation, they can still have that independent thinking if the person who created the flag has changed their mind on it.
You can give a very detailed explanation of why you're removing your support and others can choose to do the same or not just as they did when the flash was started.