How fair are casino tools for detecting “cheaters”?

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Online casinos are fairly strict but fairness is mixed. They rely on algorithms, data tracking and automated rules to catch cheating or fraud.

This can be effective but it’s less transparent than in person casinos. Legit players can get flagged for things like VPN use or unusual betting patterns. Most sites have reviews or appeals but outcomes depend a lot on the casino’s reputation.

[panjul07]

It is true that if a casino tries, then a serious complaint can be made against the users. Whether that complaint is true or false will be considered later. If some casino platforms make such a complaint, then logical evidence must be given to prove it, otherwise there will be doubts about whether the casino is doing any scam or not. A good casino can also make such a complaint if it wants, but such complaints are not usually made. But if they do, they try to do it with sufficient truth. If a casino decides to do something like that, in that perspective, I think they have taken a good decision.

A casino doesn't need to give that evidence to the accused gambler. Their decision is final and they can only revert their decision if the appeal makes sense for them.
But what I am trying to say is that, they all have the say whether you can appeal or not and with or without the evidence.
They don't need to prove it to anyone in their community but as long as the verdict is given, that's the final thing that everyone has to accept.

If casino does not need to give evidences, are you agreeing that casino can do anything as they wish while in fact there can be players who do not make mistake but the casino accused players of doing something against the rules/terms?
We know there are some sites that works as mediator between players and casinos when there is an issue such as casinoguru, the mediator will ask anything related to the issue both from the players and from the casinos.
In this case, good casinos will try to provide anything as asked to prove that the casino do not make mistake when accusing players.

[KiaKia]

I keep seeing posts where casinos say a user was detected as a cheater, but the user disagrees and says they were never given a clear explanation.

That makes me wonder how fair these detection tools really are. What tools do casinos actually use to flag cheaters? And how can we be sure this reason isn’t sometimes used as an excuse to deny withdrawals, especially when players can’t really verify anything on their side?

Also, what kind of “cheating” do casinos usually accuse players of? Personally, I find it hard to even think how someone can cheat an online casino, aside from what I’ve read in scam accusation threads.

Curious to hear from people who actually understand this, or who’ve seen solid explanations from casinos before.

We will keep talking about this for infinity, I don't want to think too much about this but I believe that every casinos have their ways of knowing, they don't have to show proof, what if showing their tools and strategy will benefits cheater even more? Don't you think it's possible?

If cheaters knows the way that casinos are coming after them they will prefer for other better ways to still cheat, it's better than casinos don't show any tools or strategy that they are using

I have always been honest around gambling and it has been how many years already? 5 years of gambling and I have never been accused wrongly, if you are not trying to cheat the system you won't have any problem and also make sure you choose a reliable and reputable online casino.

[KTChampions]

Online casinos are fairly strict but fairness is mixed. They rely on algorithms, data tracking and automated rules to catch cheating or fraud.

This can be effective but it’s less transparent than in person casinos. Legit players can get flagged for things like VPN use or unusual betting patterns. Most sites have reviews or appeals but outcomes depend a lot on the casino’s reputation.

AI/automation is what annoys me the most about things like this. Because algorithms now operate like a black box, producing a ready-made result without justification (various probabilities have developed in a certain way, and your account has been marked as dangerous/risky for continuing business with you). This cannot be disputed or corrected. As a result, you don’t even know what the problem was and how to avoid it in the future. VPN-unfriendly casinos are also a pain, since in some countries you can only access the outside internet through a VPN.

[xenomorfo]

In essence, I think the following flags can be considered cheating.

• Multi-accounting
• Abuse of promotions
• Suspicious betting patterns
• Fake KYC

Well, from what I read, there are many ways they can detect it, such as IP detection and other behavioral indicators an online casino can use. I think it's fair for them because if you get flagged, you can appeal it.

I'm not very familiar with what you're saying, but in fact there are many ways they can detect it and I think the most serious one is having multi-accounts in casinos. Yes, this can also include the know your customer fake.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

So how are gamblers supposed to fight back or protect themselves in that situation. How do we expose a casino that’s abusing this excuse if everything is kept vague and they refuse to show real evidence.

If you know your right as a gambler or a customer to that casino, you know you can sue the casino and they will have to prove and show evidence to the court how you cheated. Except you used a scam casino, that's where the issue lies but if it's a reputable casino and they act in such way, you can sue them or follow the guide of the right agency such as customer right protection agencies.

[retreat]

I don't know what their system is for detecting these cheaters, but if they are a credible platform, then they have a reliable system that can carry out fairly strict monitoring and analysis to identify patterns of unnatural behavior. And usually their suspicions are based on quite strong evidence - so rarely do they take action without a clear basis, because it concerns their reputation and they are very careful to avoid accusations that turn against them.

[justdimin]

I also dont know how could a person cheat online. After bet button is pressed, it takes no time for script to run and know the result. Gambler can only wait for animation to end. A person can abuse bonus system or registration. But to cheat script? In online casinos it is possible; there are human factor and dealer can fail sometimes, you can cheat during game with cards, you can try to physically hack slot machine. For online, all that is not possible. A person can try to hack casino, but that is something different than cheating.

Depends on what we are talking about when we say cheating really. If it's a normal game, like dice for example, we have seen hufflepuff type of people who scammed thousands of bitcoin from primedice, that is cheating.

If we are talking about poker type of player versus player type of games, we have seen even workers of the casino being able to see your hand and bet accordingly, that is cheating and yet casino itself didn't do it, it was an employee. If we are talking about straight up hacking into a casinos wallet, that's also cheating. Basically it all depends on what we understand when we hear cheating. In this case, I would say anyone who abuses the system and doesn't follow the rules of the casino would work.

[r_victory]

The most common reason I see is multiple accounts, but usually, when there's a problem, the casino informs the user of the reason. Always read the terms of service to ensure you're not breaking any rules, and of course, there will always be a platform predisposed to use any excuse to accuse you of cheating and withhold your money. Research thoroughly before creating an account and depositing at the casino; it's better to prevent and avoid future problems.

[Alex077]

That makes me wonder how fair these detection tools really are. What tools do casinos actually use to flag cheaters? And how can we be sure this reason isn’t sometimes used as an excuse to deny withdrawals, especially when players can’t really verify anything on their side?

Also, what kind of “cheating” do casinos usually accuse players of? Personally, I find it hard to even think how someone can cheat an online casino, aside from what I’ve read in scam accusation threads.

their software actually compare user behavior with normal playing behavior and immediately raise an alert if it see anything out of the ordinary. If someone is manipulating bonus or running automated bot it is caught immediately by device fingerprinting technology. Also when a problem is detected in the system the casino authority manually review it. This type of behavior such as cheating on bonus or having multiple account by one person is the most common cheating method according to casino. This is not just hacking but also include many other thing beyond we see in scam thread

I think it is often unclear to player because casino never reveal their algorithm. They keep them secret so that scammer can not find weakness in the system. But if casino clearly stated the exact reason before restricting an account it would seem much more transparent and fair

[red4slash]

This can be effective but it’s less transparent than in person casinos. Legit players can get flagged for things like VPN use or unusual betting patterns. Most sites have reviews or appeals but outcomes depend a lot on the casino’s reputation.

This is interesting because when talking about accusations and fraud it is not only based on the player but also looks at the reputation of the casino itself because there must be casinos that actually try to do anything so that they do not feel harmed by the behavior of the player even if the player is gambling without committing any violations.

For now in some reputable casinos there may be a lot of “naughty” players which may be a consideration for casinos to take action against them but on the one hand casinos must also be clear and transparent enough with their reasons for freezing or even banning an account.
On the one hand, players must also be careful not to choose casinos carelessly here because the easier the site is accessed, this can also be used as a target for fraudsters on behalf of casinos so that they can get maximum profit by creating fake sites without caring about the reputation of the casino.

[Orpichukwu]

I'm not very familiar with what you're saying, but in fact there are many ways they can detect it and I think the most serious one is having multi-accounts in casinos. Yes, this can also include the know your customer fake.

Multi-accounting for the casino to detect it is always a bit simple, especially when the user might have passed KYC, or still want to pass. The frequent change in IP can send a sign to the casino to keep a close watch; sometimes their algorithms can go through submitted data for KYC verification and detect it was tampered with, and when further verification is demanded, it will be easier to confirm everything.

[Dump3er]

I'm not very familiar with what you're saying, but in fact there are many ways they can detect it and I think the most serious one is having multi-accounts in casinos. Yes, this can also include the know your customer fake.

Multi-accounting for the casino to detect it is always a bit simple, especially when the user might have passed KYC, or still want to pass. The frequent change in IP can send a sign to the casino to keep a close watch; sometimes their algorithms can go through submitted data for KYC verification and detect it was tampered with, and when further verification is demanded, it will be easier to confirm everything.

I doubt that a player who legitimately passed KYC, will consider multi accounting to scam the casino.It would be quite stupid because n that case the casino wouldn't have to investigate who the person was, but could immediately sue that guy if damages were caused. It is a bigger problem for the crypto casinos that do not ask for KYC immediately and lure players to the casino with big bonuses. But they still have the biggest leverage eventually because they can just deny withdrawals. When the money involved is big enough, they will block instant withdrawals almost always.

[terrific]

A casino doesn't need to give that evidence to the accused gambler. Their decision is final and they can only revert their decision if the appeal makes sense for them.
But what I am trying to say is that, they all have the say whether you can appeal or not and with or without the evidence.
They don't need to prove it to anyone in their community but as long as the verdict is given, that's the final thing that everyone has to accept.

If casino does not need to give evidences, are you agreeing that casino can do anything as they wish while in fact there can be players who do not make mistake but the casino accused players of doing something against the rules/terms?

Sadly, what I am trying to say is that they don't need to provide an evidence when they want to give a decision against a player.
And even a user that doesn't commit mistake, they can alter that if they've seen that gambler have been winning at most times.

We know there are some sites that works as mediator between players and casinos when there is an issue such as casinoguru, the mediator will ask anything related to the issue both from the players and from the casinos.
In this case, good casinos will try to provide anything as asked to prove that the casino do not make mistake when accusing players.

And it only gets to that point when they can't break the silence of the player and these mediators.
They'll have to prove themselves with the evidence that they haven't provided that they did the right decision towards a player.

[Hispo]

I'm not very familiar with what you're saying, but in fact there are many ways they can detect it and I think the most serious one is having multi-accounts in casinos. Yes, this can also include the know your customer fake.

Multi-accounting for the casino to detect it is always a bit simple, especially when the user might have passed KYC, or still want to pass. The frequent change in IP can send a sign to the casino to keep a close watch; sometimes their algorithms can go through submitted data for KYC verification and detect it was tampered with, and when further verification is demanded, it will be easier to confirm everything.

Though, with the advance of artificial intelligence I have seen some disturbing footage on Twitter or people managing to fool KYC bots and the system of some exchanges with some AI generated data and deep fakes.
It AI continues to develop at such high pace, it will be just matter of time before casinos and exchanges start to ask us all for further verification processes like biometric passport data through NFC technology or even our fingerprints.

They soon won't be able to trust just some picture of our documents, as those can be easily emulated and copied by some AIs...

Haven't you noticed how now most smartphones seems to be equipment with biometric security? Like fingerprint scans? It is because that is the next step for banks, exchanges and casinos to take in order to enforce AML measures.