Winna took my referrals 12k in winnings for counting cards when he just sat

[Tylerdurden6091]

What happened::
My buddy literally pick out a table that he thought he could win on and did 2 5k bets. Gets call out from Alexis that the provider said he was counting cards. How when he just sat down?

Scammers Profile Link:
https://winna.com/

Reference Link:
see pictures for proof.

Amount Scammed: 12000
Payment Method: USDC
Proof of Payment:
Like his deposit wasnt that high but i included pics.

PM/Chat Logs: https://imgur.com/a/m3dOcPv

Additional Notes: Heres his stats

I have deposited a total of $48,100.96 since I started Winna.
I have withdrawn a total of $36,564.22
I have withdrawn a total of $24,548.45 before today,

This means that even with this withdrawal, I have a net loss of a total of $11,536.74

[noviesol]

Just to be clear it is practically impossible to count cards on Evolution Baccarat. Also, playing 2 hands is just high volatilty U got lucky.

This is indeed a sketchy case and I'm curious what Winna's representative has to say about this. Because this is the second ''card counting'' case I have seen on the Accusations thread.

Did u contact a VIP host? Also, u speaking for your refferral right?

[AHOYBRAUSE]

Well as noviesol already stated, it's as good as impossible to count cards online since they mostly operate with a small amount deck shoe, much less than a normal one in a casino.
The problem here is, most likely the problem doesn't lie with the casino, but with the game provider since they flagged the player and not the site.
They are also the ones withholding the funds.

But let me repeat, accusing the player of card counting is ridiculous! If it was so easy and profitable then everybody would do it. Since it isn't, nobody is doing it. I hope winna will come to the same conclusion here!

[Cointxz]

Just to be clear it is practically impossible to count cards on Evolution Baccarat. Also, playing 2 hands is just high volatilty U got lucky.

This is indeed a sketchy case and I'm curious what Winna's representative has to say about this. Because this is the second ''card counting'' case I have seen on the Accusations thread.

Did u contact a VIP host? Also, u speaking for your refferral right?

I agree that Evolution card games is almost impossible to card count because they shuffle the deck on the middle which means you can’t have an accurate account.

I’m confused about having 2 hands since this is Baccarat not Blackjack. Does the OP mean betting on Banker and Player at the same time?

Card counting on Baccarat can reduce the house edge to the bare minimum but I don’t how it can possibly done on evo.

[noviesol]

Just to be clear it is practically impossible to count cards on Evolution Baccarat. Also, playing 2 hands is just high volatilty U got lucky.

This is indeed a sketchy case and I'm curious what Winna's representative has to say about this. Because this is the second ''card counting'' case I have seen on the Accusations thread.

Did u contact a VIP host? Also, u speaking for your refferral right?

I agree that Evolution card games is almost impossible to card count because they shuffle the deck on the middle which means you can’t have an accurate account.

I’m confused about having 2 hands since this is Baccarat not Blackjack. Does the OP mean betting on Banker and Player at the same time?

Card counting on Baccarat can reduce the house edge to the bare minimum but I don’t how it can possibly done on evo.

He bet on Player and tied the first hand and bet Player again and won. Nothing out of the ordinairy.

If players could card count on Evolution they would go bankrupt already. What the casino is accusing OP off is nonsense.

[Tylerdurden6091]

yes im speaking for my referral he is to depress to actually speak up. I told him to make an account though and respond to your guys questions. No he betted on just player. That why were all confused about the provider saying he counted cards. Nothing make sense dude.

[psycoticlunatic]

This is me, the guy who lost the 12k.

Winna representation has been horrible. Live support has entirely ghosted me and no response has been given in the past 21 hours since their initial email:

Hi there,
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thank you for reaching out!

We received an official notice from our supplier, confirming that your account has been engaged in card counting activity, which is strictly prohibited under both our Terms of Service and the supplier’s Terms and Conditions.

In accordance with our Terms of Service, the affected winnings have been voided and will not be paid out.
​
Thank you for your understanding.
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Best wishes,
Winna Team

Alexis

Winna

I don't get it. I've done research on card counters, and a person who has lost as much as me does not hit any of the profiles of a card counter. I'm just a high stakes gambler as I'm sure they can see based on my dice gameplay.

[Zwei]

OP, you sould send a PM to bennettwinna with this thread link and ask him to respond.

This is indeed a sketchy case and I'm curious what Winna's representative has to say about this. Because this is the second ''card counting'' case I have seen on the Accusations thread.

i agree. from all the years i been checking the scam accusations board, this would be the second case i see, and both are from winna accusing a player of card counting, which is honestly beyond ridiculous knowing how stupid that is. and we all saw how they handled the other case, so i doubt this one is going to be any different.

[Tylerdurden6091]

i dm him a link to this like u said and ask for a response