CoinTor and RedMix are the same people - opinion please

[WeLiveCrypto]

1. CoinTor and RedMix use the same order ID format and identical order status terminology.
2. Several FAQ entries are highly similar in wording and structure.
3. Both services are hosted with the same provider. Given that this is a niche hosting provider with very limited adoption, this overlap represents a significant red flag.

The website archive did not allow access to all files from CoinTor, which made the investigation more challenging; however, we conducted the research to the best of our ability.

Redmix:

How long does the cleaning take?

Cleaning takes about 4 - 6 hours on average, but it all depends on the number of bitcoins being mixed, as well as the number of requests for bitcoin mixing. The maximum time is around 24 hours.

How do I use Redmix?

Enter your bitcoin/ethereum address (you can provide us with up to two addresses). Send the coins to the address specified on the order page. Wait for the specified time, which can be found in the letter of guarantee file. After the specified time, you will receive clean coins arriving at your destination address.

CoinTor:

How long does the cleaning take?

Cleaning takes about 4 - 6 hours on average, but it all depends on the number of bitcoins being mixed, as well as the number of requests for bitcoin mixing. The maximum time is around 24 hours.


How do I use CoinTor?

Enter your bitcoin address (you have option to give us up to two addresses). Send coins to the address given on the order page. Wait for the given time which can be found on the Letter Of Guarantee file. After the given time you will receive clean coins arrive to your destination address.

Cointor/script.js:

document.addEventListener('click', function(e) {
    let menuBtn = document.querySelector('.menu-btn');
    let menu = document.querySelector('.menu');
    if(e.target.closest('.menu-btn')) {
        menuBtn.classList.toggle('active');
        menu.classList.toggle('active');
    } else if (menu.closest('.active') && !e.target.closest('.menu-row') && menuBtn.closest('.active')) {
        menuBtn.classList.remove('active');
        menu.classList.remove('active');
    }
})

}

Redmix/script.js:

document.addEventListener('click', function(e) {
    const menuBtn = document.querySelector('.menu-btn');
    const menu = document.querySelector('.menu');

    if (menuBtn && menu) {
        if (e.target.closest('.menu-btn')) {
            menuBtn.classList.toggle('active');
            menu.classList.toggle('active');
        } else if (
            menu.classList.contains('active') &&
            !e.target.closest('.menu-row') &&
            menuBtn.classList.contains('active')
        ) {
            menuBtn.classList.remove('active');
            menu.classList.remove('active');
        }
    }
});

Cointor has been hosted at 192.124.178.239 (H2nexus LTD)
Redmix is hosted at 144.31.5.50 (H2nexus LTD)

Approximately four months ago, CoinTor allegedly misappropriated a six-figure sum from a client and subsequently removed its website and all contact channels. Although the client did not provide independently verifiable evidence, CoinTor’s sudden disappearance and elimination of all points of contact strongly suggest that the allegation was credible. Based on our research, we believe RedMix is likely to engage in similar conduct.

[WeLiveCrypto]

About collecting information is identical.
CoinTor


RedMix


Service cost range seems very similar and close.
CoinTor


RedMix

[uche6215]

Op why do you want people to discuss mixers here when it is not allowed to promote. If you want to discuss anything concerning mixers,you can create a thread at the other forum which mixers are allowed to promote their brands. There is no need to discuss this here. I suggest you lock your thread here.

[rat03gopoh]

Op why do you want people to discuss mixers here when it is not allowed to promote. If you want to discuss anything concerning mixers,you can create a thread at the other forum which mixers are allowed to promote their brands. There is no need to discuss this here. I suggest you lock your thread here.

This doesn't look like a promotion; it's an investigation. So I think it's fine.

Regarding the new rules:

I'm thinking I'll change the rules to allow:
- Unpaid linking directly to mixers in posts, as long as the mixers aren't also "illegal darknet sites" (which is a term I need to define more precisely).

[NotATether]

Where did you hear about RedMix? I did not know about them from anywhere to be honest. CoinTor only on Altcoinstalks I saw them.

[DYING_S0UL]

Where did you hear about RedMix? I did not know about them from anywhere to be honest. CoinTor only on Altcoinstalks I saw them.

Because it only happened so recently, a day ago, febuary 5th. Check the Announcements [ANN] board at altcoinstalk forum, and you'll see their ANN.

They even launched a sig campaign there, fyi.

[Zoomic]

Op, you did well in your investigatibe efforts. I am not saying CoinTor and RedMix are same people or not, but atleast you have presented your case. You let the community decide. I believe you created this topic here for visibility. Ensure you also create a similar thread in Altcoinstalks where mixers are promoted.

Again, I remember CoinTor, it seems to be a familiar name but I don't remember how they left the forum.
Did they exit scam or were they seized by the government?

[coupable]

Op why do you want people to discuss mixers here when it is not allowed to promote. If you want to discuss anything concerning mixers,you can create a thread at the other forum which mixers are allowed to promote their brands. There is no need to discuss this here. I suggest you lock your thread here.

No It's fine to discuss about mixers as long paid links are not posted for advertisement purposes. But I think the Reputation board is inapropriate for this topic since the services have no official representation here in bitcointalk forum. Better tu use "discussion services" board or Scam and Accusations board.

OP, why you think the two platforms are operated by the same entity? It might be that the second copied from the first. You need more evidences to accuse Cointor, but ATM queries are rises for redmix.

[Shishir99]

Does this thread belong to this board, actually? If you want to talk about some services, the thread should belong to the service discussion board. If you want to talk about some scam services, that belongs to the scam accusation. Unless you want to accuse them of scam, and you are not about that, the thread belongs to the service discussion board. I know the reputation board is more active than the service discussion board, but this is where it fits, actually. Personally, I never heard of these services before. Also, I didn't even know that we can talk abou these mixers again.

[Odusko]

Not on the other forun, but I got a notification from bounty manager group about the launch of their signature campaign on altcointalk so I guess you are referring to them here instead of altcointalk, besides you outlined a good point of concern and the two platforms likely operate the same which is a big red flag, considering the previous case.

[examplens]

Personally, I never heard of these services before. Also, I didn't even know that we can talk abou these mixers again.

The rules related to mixers have been relaxed a little, and only their promotion is prohibited. And here you are, the real proof that it is a good decision, because now you have heard about these services and the potential scam risk from them. Which makes you at least a little more protected.

Not on the other forun, but I got a notification from bounty manager group about the launch of their signature campaign on altcointalk so I guess you are referring to them here instead of altcointalk, besides you outlined a good point of concern and the two platforms likely operate the same which is a big red flag, considering the previous case.

I just transferred the conclusions from here to another forum, also left a warning post in their ANN thread.
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=338851

[WeLiveCrypto]

Case closed. ✅

After our in-depth investigation, RedMix aka CoinTor scammers has now removed their files from the server. That confirms it — the investigation was 100% correct. This is what happens when a community stands together and works with experts who know how to uncover the truth.

Huge thanks to everyone who stayed alert, shared information, and stood together — this victory belongs to all of us! Let’s keep protecting each other and make the crypto community safer!

[hugeblack]

Case closed. ✅

Thank you, you did a good job. There's a scammer who frequents the forum and might be part of RoyalMix/CoinTor/RedMix.

BTW, since there were plans to launch a Signature campaign, you can ask the campaign manager to send a reward, and I'll support you with that request.

[examplens]

Case closed. ✅

Thank you, you did a good job. There's a scammer who frequents the forum and might be part of RoyalMix/CoinTor/RedMix.

BTW, since there were plans to launch a Signature campaign, you can ask the campaign manager to send a reward, and I'll support you with that request.

Nice idea, but...
I transferred this investigation to the altconistalks forum, and after that, the manager stopped all activities related to them. They shut down the site very quickly. I assume that it followed a discussion with the manager where he demanded an explanation of the accusations. I would not be surprised if the funds intended for the campaign were returned (if they were ever sent to the manager at all)

[AB de Royse777]

I would not be surprised if the funds intended for the campaign were returned (if they were ever sent to the manager at all)

The funds that were sent to me for the campaign were returned after having a discussion with the redmix contact person.

[JollyGood]

It has to be a painful experience when people get duped by mixers. It will probably be compounded if it relates to a six or seven figure sum because the amounts involved are massive and nobody wants to lose that much as the hands of scammers. If the websites are shutdown, it is a good result but what will happen to the victim and any hopes they might have of getting some of the funds returned?

1. CoinTor and RedMix use the same order ID format and identical order status terminology.
2. Several FAQ entries are highly similar in wording and structure.
3. Both services are hosted with the same provider. Given that this is a niche hosting provider with very limited adoption, this overlap represents a significant red flag.

The website archive did not allow access to all files from CoinTor, which made the investigation more challenging; however, we conducted the research to the best of our ability.
 
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Cointor has been hosted at 192.124.178.239 (H2nexus LTD)
Redmix is hosted at 144.31.5.50 (H2nexus LTD)

Approximately four months ago, CoinTor allegedly misappropriated a six-figure sum from a client and subsequently removed its website and all contact channels. Although the client did not provide independently verifiable evidence, CoinTor’s sudden disappearance and elimination of all points of contact strongly suggest that the allegation was credible. Based on our research, we believe RedMix is likely to engage in similar conduct.

[WeLiveCrypto]

Op why do you want people to discuss mixers here when it is not allowed to promote. If you want to discuss anything concerning mixers,you can create a thread at the other forum which mixers are allowed to promote their brands. There is no need to discuss this here. I suggest you lock your thread here.

This doesn't look like a promotion; it's an investigation. So I think it's fine.

After reviewing the post, I came across an explanation from the administrator regarding the Mixer restrictions. Here is what I found:

Something is considered a mixer if it meets all of these requirements:
 1. It has a feature advertised for taking property, improving its privacy somehow, and then returning roughly the same type of property.
     a. Even though you can sometimes use non-mixers to mix coins by depositing and then withdrawing, this doesn't make it a mixer because this is an incidental use of the service; the service isn't advertised as privacy-enhancing.
     b. If a site is not primarily a mixer but has a mixer function, such as a mixer function on a gambling website, then the whole site is considered a mixer.
     c. If the site takes coins, gives you a possibly-transferrable IOU, and will convert this IOU back into mixed coins much later, then the temporary conversion into a different type of property does not prevent it from being considered a mixer.
     d. If the site internally converts your deposit into other things as part of its mixing, but ultimately the point of the product is to get your original type of property back, then that's a mixer, not an exchanger.

Based on the definition, this qualifies as a mixer service. I was able to successfully create orders for BTC to BTC/ETH swap.

[WeLiveCrypto]

If the websites are shutdown, it is a good result but what will happen to the victim and any hopes they might have of getting some of the funds returned?

Our role is not to make decisions, but to carry out a thorough investigation and present the facts clearly. Users are responsible for deciding how to act on this information.