Power struggle

[Cuda911]

I am surprised that trump token, the s&p and crypto have less reaction to Epstein files.

In the Europe some people step down from their major political positions because of Epstein files, but I am surprised that not much in the US.

Power? Or what?

[Gozie51]

I think most of the correspondence response on the files as investigated by FBI are denying involvement, from Bill gate, Elon musk, even Trump himself. So I don't think it is going to make much of a meaning to draw public sympathy where most of the names called out stand as allegation.

There is no suggestion that appearing in the documents implies any wrongdoing. Many people who have featured in previous releaseshave  denied any wrongdoing in relation to Epstein.

[Lucius]

I am surprised that trump token, the s&p and crypto have less reaction to Epstein files.
In the Europe some people step down from their major political positions because of Epstein files, but I am surprised that not much in the US.
Power? Or what?

This is because the US and the EU are very different when it comes to personal responsibility to do the right thing if your actions cause harm to someone or something. Let's just take the example of the president of the US who was a very close friend of that sexual predator, and who sees nothing controversial in the fact that he is mentioned more than a thousand times in the published documents, and the question is what is all in those they are trying to cover up. Anything similar would bring down any president or prime minister in the EU overnight.

I dare say that these are two completely different worlds, because there is no other explanation for such different reactions to something that is so disgusting, morally corrupt and sick that it is hard to understand why anyone would try to trivialize it. It is obvious that the system does not want to go against power, or perhaps it is better to say that it is precisely this power that created the system.

[Leon_jesus]

I am surprised that trump token, the s&p and crypto have less reaction to Epstein files.

In the Europe some people step down from their major political positions because of Epstein files, but I am surprised that not much in the US.

Power? Or what?

thanks D.T for empowering Bitcoin

[Alpha Marine]

Anything similar would bring down any president or prime minister in the EU overnight.

Anything similar will bring down a lot of politicians in the US, too. Imagine it were Kamala Harris who won the election and was involved in these kinds of scandals, do you think she would have survived? Or imagine it was Barack Obama with this kind of scandal, do you think he would have survived?
The standards and rules are different when it comes to Trump. After what Trump did in his first term and what he did on January 6th, 2021, do you think that if it were any other person, he would be able to win a presidential election again?
So many things Trump has said and done are career-ending for a lot of other politicians, but when it gets to Trump, people either laugh, shake it off, say he is joking or downplay what he did. Just like what happened when he made the social media post of the Obamas. He knows the privilege he has and he is using it quite well.

[Mate2237]

This is just an allegations from someone so using it to Tarnishing the image of someone will not be fair, mind you some of the names on the Epstein file was not even aware and has denied involvement in the allegations that has been raised. Personally I don't think that anyone should resign from his position because of an allegations from someone else. There is no power play here if you are narrowing what you are saying only to the Epstein file.


Again you have to know that people differs I don't think that Trump will leave his position because of this file, trump has survived plenty of court cases and and many allegations too and I don't see this changing anything for trump.

[FirmWars]

According to what I see there, the reason is because they did not handle the released files as enough evidence to demote those involved in the act, the claim is that the file only reveal a connection to the case but it has not revealed that there was a personal involvement and before any action would be taken, there has to be a prove that the mentioned persons were directly involved in the case. Maybe they expect the victims to come out and testify against those monstrous pedophiles before they can act, and we know that they will do their best to cover those tracks and prevent anyone from coming to testify.

[abhiseshakana]

Simply reply, because Eipstein is not a risk shock signal and will not change to be institutional risk, market rarely over react to such noise. Epstein is 2009 old scandal for market its only narative repetition, not triggering panic selling. Very different culture with my country such moral will be seen as national morality scandal, but its only a political warfare in the US until its become a formal law case, big riots, institutional legitimation crisis and policy change.

Of course there are structural power play in the US which make morality is not main factor of political and economic stability. media play important role make publics numb due to many scandal news, so scandal is not threat but entertainment content, Fanatical and loyalis supporter prioritize politican identity i/o morality with its donor, permanent basic mass, politician who has scandal have institutional immunity. Its what we see in Trump, Trump's supporter see Eipstein as conspiracy attack, Trump token community buy more aggressively and see this situation as opportunity for ceap entry. From this phenomena we can also conclude no reaction reason from S&P, because investor used FED as guideline not morality noise.

[fullfitlarry]

I am surprised that trump token, the s&p and crypto have less reaction to Epstein files.

I thought that it was one reason why crypto went down because of so many FUD around Epstein files that involves names in the Bitcoin scene?

In the Europe some people step down from their major political positions because of Epstein files, but I am surprised that not much in the US.

Power? Or what?

It could be that some of them wanted to stay in power, or protect someone that is in power right now. And even after this supposedly suicide, Epstein still reverberates and the power man in the US is trying to protect each and everyone to not be exposed. Maybe this is their brotherhood, unlike in Europe that they will just simply step down in shame or maybe it could be a admittance of guilt.

[Zlantann]

This is just an allegations from someone so using it to Tarnishing the image of someone will not be fair, mind you some of the names on the Epstein file was not even aware and has denied involvement in the allegations that has been raised. Personally I don't think that anyone should resign from his position because of an allegations from someone else. There is no power play here if you are narrowing what you are saying only to the Epstein file.


Again you have to know that people differs I don't think that Trump will leave his position because of this file, trump has survived plenty of court cases and and many allegations too and I don't see this changing anything for trump.

This is not an allegation; there are verified videos of top politicians in the US involved in some unacceptable behavior. I am not a fan of judging people from their past behavour especially if they have truly changed. But it seems the moral standard of politicians in Europe is higher when compared to the US. And since the President is involved in thses shamful act, others who are involved cannot be forced to resign since the president is downplaying it.

It is not common for the President of the US to resign from office. They will always prefer to fight for their position till the end. Richard Nixon is the only US president who willfully resigned. So nobody should expect Trump to tender his resignation. Remember that Trump is the only President that have been impeached twice, yet he still survived.  

[Moreno233]

I am surprised that trump token, the s&p and crypto have less reaction to Epstein files.

In the Europe some people step down from their major political positions because of Epstein files, but I am surprised that not much in the US.

Power? Or what?

Are you trying to support the bullshit that Epstein is the same person as Satoshi? How is that revelation supposed to affect Bitcoin and cryptocurrency in generatal when I don't even see any connection between them? Trump token is a shitcoin that does not even need Epstein revelation to die, it was doomed to fail. Meanwhile those resigning from there positions because of their connection to the Epstein files are doing it to free their conscience or because their ethics requires they do so because Europe have high standards for political office holders and people in authority.

[Fortify]

This sounds more like a political discussion than an economic one really. When the leader of the government is implicated as one of the main guilty parties and highly corrupt then there are not going to be any meaningful investigations or prosecutions while they stay in power. All that does is open up more questions and Trump seems determine to try to ignore the Epstein files more than ever, it's the bad smell that keeps following him around (well, besides the fact he wears diapers and shits himself). Trump token was always a self enrichment pump and dump scheme anyway, so there was no way it was going to last, he just wants to get paid for any random thing he can stick his name on with a herd of sheep that follow him ready to jump off any cliff. Crypto might have benefited from him at times, but try not to smear or intermingle it with him as that would be more dangerous long term.

[Cuda911]

According to what I see there, the reason is because they did not handle the released files as enough evidence to demote those involved in the act, the claim is that the file only reveal a connection to the case but it has not revealed that there was a personal involvement and before any action would be taken, there has to be a prove that the mentioned persons were directly involved in the case. Maybe they expect the victims to come out and testify against those monstrous pedophiles before they can act, and we know that they will do their best to cover those tracks and prevent anyone from coming to testify.

I thought as much, I believe more shits will be released once Trump is no more in the office, the man in power in the united state is more effective than those in power in the Europe, this is all I can see, if those files somehow leaked out the other party can  crucify Trump even more.

[Kelward]

I am surprised that trump token, the s&p and crypto have less reaction to Epstein files.

In the Europe some people step down from their major political positions because of Epstein files, but I am surprised that not much in the US.

Power? Or what?

I know that the justice system is about what you can prove not what you allege so it's either that the FBI or those that are in the know of what the complete information is on the Epstein, file are hiding incriminating evidences or there is no case against Trump, and others mentioned. Nobody can deny that the US is a very powerful country but it's not like their high and mighty are untouchable like the ones in underdeveloped countries, I believe that their justice system doesn't shield corrupt and criminal leaders and influential people. I'm not making a case for Americans that are mentioned but if enough evidence is not available to call them out I think we should give them the benefits of doubt. For those that are affected in Europe I believe that there must be glaring evidence that they were involved in crime according to the files. I hope more truths will emerge so we will have more revelations.

[batang_bitcoin]

I am surprised that trump token, the s&p and crypto have less reaction to Epstein files.

Don't expect a thing about Trump token, it's a common meme coin that doesn't really have to react with anything that's happening globally. While it's been said that it's Trump's meme, I don't think that it's still tied with the market. And with what people think of that files, they're saying that it's the reason why we had dropped. Although I don't think so, it's bound to correct anyway even without those files.

In the Europe some people step down from their major political positions because of Epstein files, but I am surprised that not much in the US.

Power? Or what?

That's because of their involvement and they have to clear their reputation but it's clear that it has nothing to do with the market.

[Furball808]

I think most of the correspondence response on the files as investigated by FBI are denying involvement, from Bill gate, Elon musk, even Trump himself. So I don't think it is going to make much of a meaning to draw public sympathy where most of the names called out stand as allegation.

There is no suggestion that appearing in the documents implies any wrongdoing. Many people who have featured in previous releaseshave  denied any wrongdoing in relation to Epstein.

Honestly who even didn’t appear on the files? Not everyone’s going to read every single file and some names that may have appeared aren’t necessarily close with Epstein but has been mentioned only in the passing.

I wasn’t expecting crypto to react to Epstein since not a lot of the names mentioned are part of creation of some of the biggest cryptocurrencies. As per big companies, people just use it already too much to stop usage.

[dezoel]

there are verified videos of top politicians in the US involved in some unacceptable behavior. I am not a fan of judging people from their past behavour especially if they have truly changed. But it seems the moral standard of politicians in Europe is higher when compared to the US. And since the President is involved in thses shamful act, others who are involved cannot be forced to resign since the president is downplaying it.

It is not common for the President of the US to resign from office. They will always prefer to fight for their position till the end. Richard Nixon is the only US president who willfully resigned. So nobody should expect Trump to tender his resignation. Remember that Trump is the only President that have been impeached twice, yet he still survived.  

To be fair, while Europe is going towards the same route unfortunately, in the USA it's just tribal wars that they have and nothing more. Morals have nothing to do with it, Obama was the most moral and charming president they had in decades, probably since Clinton, and yet he was seen as a "monkey" by people because he was from the other team, and Trump has been the guy "grab them by the ..." and they still like him because he is on their team.

USA politics has always been that way, and won't change, as long as the guy is on your team, they can be terrible and they will still defend him.

[abhiseshakana]

To be fair, while Europe is going towards the same route unfortunately, in the USA it's just tribal wars that they have and nothing more. Morals have nothing to do with it, Obama was the most moral and charming president they had in decades, probably since Clinton, and yet he was seen as a "monkey" by people because he was from the other team, and Trump has been the guy "grab them by the ..." and they still like him because he is on their team.

USA politics has always been that way, and won't change, as long as the guy is on your team, they can be terrible and they will still defend him.

So we can conclude that morality not a standarization but rather to be political tools to bring down, humiliate and strengthen the identity of a party or group, with so much moral corruption and exploitation of news from the media, the public is becoming numb and only see moral issue as propaganda between each group. US and Europe has different political structure, Europe's parliementary system create pressure mechanism from coalition and parliament so kicking leader is easier in Europe. We can simply say there are the breakdown of modern political culture in US, public standards are no longer determined by ethics, but by group loyalty,morality not only dissapear in US but many people loose their logic dur to political identity, media exacerbates and causes extreem polarization and i think these trend already spread around the world especially western country. Differet with east culture, resign is a form of responsibilities, acknowledgment of mistakes and apology but in US, it is a sign of weakness.

[programmer3666]

I am surprised that trump token, the s&p and crypto have less reaction to Epstein files.

In the Europe some people step down from their major political positions because of Epstein files, but I am surprised that not much in the US.

Power? Or what?

I think the negative impact and reaction that was supposed to erupt after the release of the file wasn't there because of the way the files were put out to the general public, they made sure to redact so many key names and also released the file in millions of copies just to weigh out whoever wants to go through it. And what people were expecting was something more concise and straight to the point! just list who is involved and what their roles are in the scandal.

[Darker45]

Power, of course, greed, and perhaps the lack of sense of honor. I suspect these people aren't even repentant until today. They probably still cherish those deplorable moments. Or perhaps they're still doing the same crimes until now.

These shameful acts would have already moved public officials in Asian countries like Japan, South Korea, and others to commit suicide to save face or as an ultimate act of atonement.

In the US, denial is the name of the game. It's quite easy if you're holding the reins of power.