Admin why do you not have ban rules for spam quoting

[Karl_3000]

If I visit this forum to post on page 3 on a thread that is already lifeless in a way that nothing good can be contributed to the thread again than to spam, quoting posts that I have quoted before or quoting posts before the last posts that I quoted on the same thread, what is the reason users like me should not be banned? It does not need to be a permaban, it can be a tempoban like 7 days ban or something like 30 days of signature ban. I like the AI rules that you introduced recently but let us also make this rules of spam quoting. I do not spam quote, I only just use myself for the illustration.

[SquirrelJulietGarden]

If I visit this forum to post on page 3 on a thread that is already lifeless in a way that nothing good can be contributed to the thread again than to spam, quoting posts that I have quoted before or quoting posts before the last posts that I quoted on the same thread, what is the reason users like me should not be banned? It does not need to be a permaban, it can be a tempoban like 7 days ban or something like 30 days of signature ban.

If forum rules allow to post even in threads that are inactive more than 120 days, it does not cause your account ban, how will quoting on page 3 or 4 can cause your account ban?
It won't happen like this, even your posts are spam. You can easily realize that it does not happen like you imagined as if it is like that, many accounts were banned already.

In signature campaigns, managers can accept posts on first five pages or first 20 pages. If ban happens, managers would have not accept such posts within first 5 pages or 20 pages.
If such rules exist, how does mega threads exist?

Know how to quote, trim quotes, and only quote and post when you see it is necessary, it's enough.
[Tips] Posting technique
Post formatting.

[SuperBitMan]

If I visit this forum to post on page 3 on a thread that is already lifeless in a way that nothing good can be contributed to the thread again than to spam, quoting posts that I have quoted before or quoting posts before the last posts that I quoted on the same thread, what is the reason users like me should not be banned? It does not need to be a permaban, it can be a tempoban like 7 days ban or something like 30 days of signature ban.

If forum rules allow to post even in threads that are inactive more than 120 days, it does not cause your account ban, how will quoting on page 3 or 4 can cause your account ban?
It won't happen like this, even your posts are spam. You can easily realize that it does not happen like you imagined as if it is like that, many accounts were banned already.

In signature campaigns, managers can accept posts on first five pages or first 20 pages. If ban happens, managers would have not accept such posts within first 5 pages or 20 pages.
If such rules exist, how does mega threads exist?

I think you really don’t understand what the OP is saying or trying to point out, according to him, he says if you check a thread and it has 3 pages, that if you read posts in that 3rd page that’s it all spam, he said people usually quote posts they have quoted before. His not saying posting in a thread that is already page 3 or 20 is wrong.

I really have not seen such but if you see such just report it to moderator, and again I agree with you on giving temporary ban on those that are spamming because I believe it will really help in preventing spam in this forum. Immediately a rule about giving a temporary ban to spammers are made in this forum everyone will be very careful and spamming will reduce to the lowest minimum.

[GeorgeJohn]

If I visit this forum to post on page 3 on a thread that is already lifeless in a way that nothing good can be contributed to the thread again than to spam, quoting posts that I have quoted before or quoting posts before the last posts that I quoted on the same thread, what is the reason users like me should not be banned?

You will not be ban because it’s among the rules and regulations of the forum..if you found a post not relevant or not interesting to comment, leave the post and dont comments...

It does not need to be a permaban, it can be a tempoban like 7 days ban or something like 30 days of signature ban. I like the AI rules that you introduced recently but let us also make this rules of spam quoting. I do not spam quote, I only just use myself for the illustration.

You can't be ban with all the emphasis you made...You can only be temporary ban if you're writing a shitpost and it's been reported and deleted by moderator, if you had several deleted posts, you will be temporary ban...

quoting an irrelevant post doesn't caused permanent ban or temporary ban..So many threads we discusse on, are irrelevant threads, but if it's been reported, it will be moved to off topics section, due to low quality or it's not comprehendable..

[Upgrade00]

There are rules against spam attracting temporary bans which the number of days increases progressively with repeat offences until it gets a permanent ban. I don't see the rule enforced, maybe due to the overwhelming spam in some of the boards which will need multiple mods to get on top of.

If it were possible to be done, I'll vote for the spam rule to be enforced more.

[Cookdata]

If I visit this forum to post on page 3 on a thread that is already lifeless in a way that nothing good can be contributed to the thread again than to spam, quoting posts that I have quoted before or quoting posts before the last posts that I quoted on the same thread, what is the reason users like me should not be banned? It does not need to be a permaban, it can be a tempoban like 7 days ban or something like 30 days of signature ban. I like the AI rules that you introduced recently but let us also make this rules of spam quoting. I do not spam quote, I only just use myself for the illustration.

I don't think there is a defined rules on multiple quote on the same topic over and over but If you get quote by a user multiple times on the same post, report such user to moderator and if the user is in a signature campaign, reports the user to the manager. Actions will be taken against such users.

[Joy- maker]

I understand your point, and frankly speaking, I think you are raising a fair concern. But Posting on page 3 of an old or inactive thread, is not automatically wrong imo. The problem starts when someone post on such thread without adding anything new or useful.

Further more,  If a user keeps repeating the same quotes they used before, or just requoting old posts without adding anything new or useful to the thread, then it can look like spam.

Bitcointalk forum, is meant for meaningful, useful  and  helpful discussion. so every  post  that  comes in here should add value, new opinion, new information or a fresh perspective. So if a Bitcointalk user can't add something useful to a thread, it is better for the user not to post at all.

So For me, I think a clear rule should be introduced against repeated Spam quoting, just same way the Al  rules were introduced few days ago to improve and main post quality.

[BitMaxz]

I don't see anything wrong with quoting a post by someone else, and then you quoted it.
It should be still depend on the response of that guy. If someone else's response is not quality enough, your post should be quality and on point.

If you see someone quoting something that you already quoted and not a quality post, then like others said, you can use the report button instead and explain everything and let moderators decide if it's actually a spam or not.

[BitBakerr1]

The Admin should make I clear rule when it concerns spam in this forum first, before we talk about the punishment that should be given to spammers, my reason for saying so is to avoid much argument on what is a spam and what is not a spam, you may think what is a spam is very clear but the issue going on right now on the meta board were a  forum user is being caught replying more than 5 times on a thread without given much time gap, some are saying it’s a spam and others are saying they see nothing wrong with it, so a clear rule should be made on what we all can consider a spam so as to avoid arguments. Since a clear rule has been made about AI I don’t think anyone will ague when being caught.

[Karl_3000]

You can't be ban with all the emphasis you made...You can only be temporary ban if you're writing a shitpost and it's been reported and deleted by moderator, if you had several deleted posts, you will be temporary ban...

It will be good if such users are tempobanned. You can see examples in the link I posted on this post.

I don't see anything wrong with quoting a post by someone else, and then you quoted it.
It should be still depend on the response of that guy. If someone else's response is not quality enough, your post should be quality and on point.

If you see someone quoting something that you already quoted and not a quality post, then like others said, you can use the report button instead and explain everything and let moderators decide if it's actually a spam or not.

I think you did not understand me, see examples on this thread for you to understand: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5574618.msg66413075#msg66413075

Tempoban or signature ban for a period of time will be good for such users. What do you think?

[GeorgeJohn]

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It will be good if such users are tempobanned. You can see examples in the link I posted on this post.

Listen attentively and comprehend my point of views...it seems that you're not comprehending my point of views..

You can't give a user a tempobanned outside the rules and regulations of the community..Even spamming the forum is against the protocols of the forum, you will be tempobanned when you spam the forum much..And most of your posts were reported and deleted by mod...Much delete of a users post can lead to temporary ban...responding 3 or 4 times in a thread does not cause a temporary ban..except all response are shitpost...

[Churchillvv]

You know sometimes we somehow are always in need of more, you are free now but what is now your interest is to be restricted to an extent, when the restrictions comes people will complain that Admin or the Bitcointalk team is being hostile or is too controlling.

Of course threads where quotes without good knowledge is spread over and over again exist and perhaps the rate of quoting with repetition of words is on the high side but asking for more rules and regulations is something I thing will reduce the traffic or something from the forum, it might not be obvious though. But let’s stop the insane act of not cutting quote, this makes the whole thread dirty in my opinion.

[rat03gopoh]

If I visit this forum to post on page 3 on a thread that is already lifeless in a way that nothing good can be contributed to the thread again than to spam,

It's not always like that. I've often found service review threads inactive because they didn't get much response before, and then someone bumped them with a recent issue they'd encountered. In these situations, the relevance of the last post matters.

If you just bump random threads with identical content, you may get banned.

[FirmWars]

Although banning will cause fear and reduce such spam from happening but I don't think that should be the best way around issue like that, if you find such a thread that you think is no longer flowing with good conversation except long quotes of poor contributions and repetition of what has already been said before, then you should report the thread to the moderators so that they can lock the thread. That's the best solution @Op, if the thread is locked, where would the spammer spam on again? If he finds another lifeless thread, you can also report for it to be locked.

[lovesmayfamilis]

OP, here are the rules of a manager in a company.

➥ Posts published after page 250 will not be counted / bursting is not allowed

To clarify, I'm not blaming the manager for anything, but what do you think, OP, will the posts written on page 230 be read thoroughly? Maybe it's worth ending the existence of such mega-topics first?

[The Cryptovator]

If I visit this forum to post on page 3 on a thread that is already lifeless in a way that nothing good can be contributed to the thread again than to spam, quoting posts that I have quoted before or quoting posts before the last posts that I quoted on the same thread, what is the reason users like me should not be banned? It does not need to be a permaban, it can be a tempoban like 7 days ban or something like 30 days of signature ban. I like the AI rules that you introduced recently but let us also make this rules of spam quoting. I do not spam quote, I only just use myself for the illustration.

You can quote a spam or scam reply; there are no rules for quoting a post and reply there. And I believe there shouldn't be any rules regarding quotes; it will look unrealistic. You can report a spam post if you really think it's spam; you can quote the spam post and reply to him that he is spamming on the forum and should stop it. It does mean quoting something doesn't mean all are spam, but if you notice anything spammy, then report it to a moderator to help the forum keep clean.

I admit people might reply with a quote, most probably for the campaign quota. Doesn't mean everyone is spamming, so quoting others' posts and getting banned for that seems ridiculous to me. If their reply also doesn't add any value, then simply use the report button. When a user repeats the same things, then definitely he would get a temp or even a permanent ban as well.

[joker_josue]

If I visit this forum to post on page 3 on a thread that is already lifeless in a way that nothing good can be contributed to the thread again than to spam, quoting posts that I have quoted before or quoting posts before the last posts that I quoted on the same thread, what is the reason users like me should not be banned? It does not need to be a permaban, it can be a tempoban like 7 days ban or something like 30 days of signature ban. I like the AI rules that you introduced recently but let us also make this rules of spam quoting. I do not spam quote, I only just use myself for the illustration.

But banned why?
A post that is irrelevant or spam can be made on the same day the topic was created. It does not need to be 120 days after the topic has been inactive.

It's true that the forum gives an alert when a topic has been inactive for a long time. But sometimes even I don't notice it, and I believe others don't either.

Now, if the posted content has no value, report it to the moderator so they can take the appropriate measures. If the moderator sees that this user is a repeat offender in this behavior, they will receive instructions on how to act accordingly.

Now, banning someone just because you did that is a bit of an overreaction.
On the other hand, if the user is doing this to try to gain an advantage in campaigns, then they won't get very far. As a general rule, moderators don't count this type of post, and if you are a repeat offender, they stop working with that user.

[PostQuantumBTC]

OP, here are the rules of a manager in a company.

➥ Posts published after page 250 will not be counted / bursting is not allowed

To clarify, I'm not blaming the manager for anything, but what do you think, OP, will the posts written on page 230 be read thoroughly? Maybe it's worth ending the existence of such mega-topics first?

There are some mega threads that I think icopress will still count, example are the long bitcoin wallet thread on the b&h board, the forum rules and few other ones. For gambling board campaigns, the premier league, la liga and others like that should be counted.

But there are some threads that do not need up to 5 pages. Within the 2 to 5 pages, there would have been people that are spamming and repeating themselves.

[alegotardo]

If I visit this forum to post on page 3 on a thread that is already lifeless in a way that nothing good can be contributed to the thread again than to spam, quoting posts that I have quoted before or quoting posts before the last posts that I quoted on the same thread, what is the reason users like me should not be banned? It does not need to be a permaban, it can be a tempoban like 7 days ban or something like 30 days of signature ban. I like the AI rules that you introduced recently but let us also make this rules of spam quoting. I do not spam quote, I only just use myself for the illustration.

I think it is all a matter of interpretation....
In the gambling tab, for example, there are several threads with multiple pages of posts that only repeat what other users have already said.
On these topics, I believe its really spam and they should be banned, but since the moderators already have too much work to moderate, I think it is much more productive for this type of spam to be combated by campaign administrators, discouraging people from posting in these topics.

But, notice that this is not a problem in topics in the same section dedicated to following a specific sports championship... here in Brazil we have a championship that lasts almost the whole year, so we centralize all the comments on it, every week there are new things being discussed, and that is not spam, nor do I think it would be right to open a new topic every time.

The same happens in campaign topics, ANNs, and others.... a large thread is not always spam, it is very subjective.

[Nathrixxx]

If I visit this forum to post on page 3 on a thread that is already lifeless in a way that nothing good can be contributed to the thread again than to spam, quoting posts that I have quoted before or quoting posts before the last posts that I quoted on the same thread, what is the reason users like me should not be banned? It does not need to be a permaban, it can be a tempoban like 7 days ban or something like 30 days of signature ban.

There's no justification to every post made after third page that they are spam posts, secondly how do you differentiate in knowing if the intention of your post is even a spam post, when you can see a new trade appearing as a spam and you can decided to comment on the first page as well and be a spam also, hence the need to be able to identify what a quality post is and why we should be on topic with our discussion on any thread and avoid quoting unnecessarily.

I like the AI rules that you introduced recently but let us also make this rules of spam quoting. I do not spam quote, I only just use myself for the illustration.

And I smile, maybe one day you may also be found spam quoting without knowing