Two threads about SatScratch are locked. This is open to discuss SatScratch

[TheAndy500]

I just published a thread about the SatScratch Affiliate Signature Campaign. I'm not writing here to advertise it, but rather to reassure everyone that I'm aware of the situation and monitoring it closely.

I decided to publish it because the SatScratch team, in accordance with the community's wishes, did what they were asked to do, namely remove the "Provably Fair" label from website and ANN thread, and presented (in my opinion) sufficient resources to launch such a service.
If anyone knows of any other contraindications please let me know and I will take appropriate steps.

Not everyone needs to be familiar with the customs of Bitcointalk, but I think they already understand them and therefore deserve a little help after such a "difficult" start.

When it comes to whether to buy cards or not, everyone should decide for themselves whether it is worth the risk.

[Zwei]

Without the hash, we could detect a winning pattern mid-scratch and swap the result before reveal. With the hash, the result is locked. It closes that attack surface.

you are missing the point completely. the problem is not you changing the result mid scratch, it's that you know and can control the result before the scratch, because the seeds are generated by you.
and since you know which tickets are winners and which are losers, you can pick which ones to give to players.

not saying you are doing that, but you also can't prove you are not. so with how your system works right now, no one who knows anything about fair gambling is gonna play your scratch tickets.

[SatScratch]

Without the hash, we could detect a winning pattern mid-scratch and swap the result before reveal. With the hash, the result is locked. It closes that attack surface.

you are missing the point completely. the problem is not you changing the result mid scratch, it's that you know and can control the result before the scratch, because the seeds are generated by you.
and since you know which tickets are winners and which are losers, you can pick which ones to give to players.

not saying you are doing that, but you also can't prove you are not. so with how your system works right now, no one who knows anything about fair gambling is gonna play your scratch tickets.

We're not missing the point — we agree with it. The server generates the deck. That's the same as every physical scratch card ever made — the National Lottery decides what prizes go into 40 million scratchers and you trust that it's fair.

Cards are assigned randomly. One way to prove is to announce winners. if some people play and they win randomly that would be good. especially if they announce in this thread. We will reach out to them (via email) if they are willing ..

[JollyGood]

You have removed the words "provably fair" from the website, you took that step because it was not a provably fair system. I think the way you acted to remove the words soon after having discussions here demonstrates your flexibility and should be recognised.

Do you think the site can become a viable business when potential customers could turn away because it is not provably fair?

We're not missing the point — we agree with it. The server generates the deck. That's the same as every physical scratch card ever made — the National Lottery decides what prizes go into 40 million scratchers and you trust that it's fair.

Cards are assigned randomly. One way to prove is to announce winners. if some people play and they win randomly that would be good. especially if they announce in this thread. We will reach out to them (via email) if they are willing ..

[SatScratch]

You have removed the words "provably fair" from the website, you took that step because it was not a provably fair system. I think the way you acted to remove the words soon after having discussions here demonstrates your flexibility and should be recognised.

Do you think the site can become a viable business when potential customers could turn away because it is not provably fair?

We're not missing the point — we agree with it. The server generates the deck. That's the same as every physical scratch card ever made — the National Lottery decides what prizes go into 40 million scratchers and you trust that it's fair.

Cards are assigned randomly. One way to prove is to announce winners. if some people play and they win randomly that would be good. especially if they announce in this thread. We will reach out to them (via email) if they are willing ..

Good question. We removed "provably fair" because the community rightly pointed out it didn't meet the strict definition — and we'd rather be accurate than misleading.
As for viability — we believe in this because the returns are real. Someone is going to hit a big prize (1 million to 100 million sats) sooner rather than later.

We genuinely hope it's someone from this forum so they can confirm it here themselves. That will say more than any claim we can make. Best of luck!

[longyenthanh]

You have removed the words "provably fair" from the website, you took that step because it was not a provably fair system. I think the way you acted to remove the words soon after having discussions here demonstrates your flexibility and should be recognised.

Do you think the site can become a viable business when potential customers could turn away because it is not provably fair?

It's good to stop using the phrase "provably fair", as it raises certain expectations. But your integrity still can't be verified in the current setup.

That's why we changed the terminology on the site. The current system verifies your card wasn't tampered with after purchase. Full deck verification is a bigger technical challenge — we're exploring options including the approach you outlined.

Judging by their commitment and how quickly they respond to community needs, I have the impression this isn't the end.
From what they wrote above, I gather they intend to improve and continue working. I wish all projects that come here would demonstrate these qualities.
I wish them the best and hope they don't lose their enthusiasm and that the project will be a success.

[SatScratch]

You have removed the words "provably fair" from the website, you took that step because it was not a provably fair system. I think the way you acted to remove the words soon after having discussions here demonstrates your flexibility and should be recognised.

Do you think the site can become a viable business when potential customers could turn away because it is not provably fair?

It's good to stop using the phrase "provably fair", as it raises certain expectations. But your integrity still can't be verified in the current setup.

That's why we changed the terminology on the site. The current system verifies your card wasn't tampered with after purchase. Full deck verification is a bigger technical challenge — we're exploring options including the approach you outlined.

Judging by their commitment and how quickly they respond to community needs, I have the impression this isn't the end.
From what they wrote above, I gather they intend to improve and continue working. I wish all projects that come here would demonstrate these qualities.
I wish them the best and hope they don't lose their enthusiasm and that the project will be a success.

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Thank you