Can institutional investors save Bitcoin from further decline?

[hostm]

If the stock market starts to fall, Bitcoin could fall too.

I've seen the common expression "see you at $40,000" in many threads here lately. But Binance has decided to shift its SAFU fund from dollars to Bitcoin.

If many other exchanges and large institutions do the same, could we not "see you at $40,000" and instead see Bitcoin rise above $100,000 this year?

Or do they need more time and a further fall to accumulate Bitcoin again?

[Orpichukwu]

Binance moving its customers' protection fund to Bitcoin did not cause much positive effect on the market; if other exchanges were to convert their reserve to Bitcoin, it could only push Bitcoin up depending on how much they are to put together, and even in times like this, the likes of Saylor are still buying, but it's not enough to take Bitcoin back to $100k.

Institutional investors deciding to dump their holdings will cause more negative impact on the market than the expected positive effect of their purchase.

Just give the market time; it will gradually recover. Just one piece of news which could be considered bullish, and you will see it recovering and not waiting for institutional investors to come to its aid as if they are some sort of saviour.

[GreatArkansas]

Institutional investors deciding to dump their holdings will cause more negative impact on the market than the expected positive effect of their purchase.

This makes sense to me, especially right now, there is already a huge amount of money moving in and out from institutions, so for me, these exchanges behaviour like this is relatively small for sure, like if you are a Bitcoin exchange, these are just basic PR and to be honest in helpful inthe  Bitcoin market too.
There are already a lot of factors today that keeps Bitcoin market going down or up, it's not always the retail or the institutions, which for me is quite good, like that's how market works especially Bitcoin.

[Charles-Tim]

Or do they need more time and a further fall to accumulate Bitcoin again?

Bitcoin needs more time for the bulls that have become bears to wake up from sleep, they do not need to force things to be in place. The time will come, this bear market will end. I will prefer them to wait for such time before trying to do all the things that can increase the price of bitcoin.

[BABY SHOES]

If many other exchanges and large institutions do the same, could we not "see you at $40,000" and instead see Bitcoin rise above $100,000 this year?

Or do they need more time and a further fall to accumulate Bitcoin again?

The problem is that exchanges or large institutions move SAFU funds to bitcoin, they will do it on the OTC market which will not affect the market price globally, which is an influence maybe the news published by several articles about this.

I prefer to take more time to accumulate bitcoin at good prices... if the scenario as you mean then bitcoin will be easily manipulated by whales or large institutions.

[asriloni]

I've seen the common expression "see you at $40,000" in many threads here lately. But Binance has decided to shift its SAFU fund from dollars to Bitcoin.

The SAFU funds from binance means nothing. The fact that it's being used by another institution and whales as exit liquidity. It's only the money changing from one hand to another hand. It gives no impact.

If many other exchanges and large institutions do the same, could we not "see you at $40,000" and instead see Bitcoin rise above $100,000 this year?

Institutions are thinking about themselves. They're not stupid enough to waste their fund to provide exit liquidity to the other holders. So it's not gonna happen anytime soon.

Or do they need more time and a further fall to accumulate Bitcoin again?

They do need more time to shake the weak hand. They need to dump their crypto to the stupid hodlers, then used them as their exit liquidity. The money has to rotated. So they can buy back with lower rate than what they sold it. It's how market is working right now.

[Johnlomape]

If the stock market starts to fall, Bitcoin could fall too.

I've seen the common expression "see you at $40,000" in many threads here lately. But Binance has decided to shift its SAFU fund from dollars to Bitcoin.

If many other exchanges and large institutions do the same, could we not "see you at $40,000" and instead see Bitcoin rise above $100,000 this year?

Or do they need more time and a further fall to accumulate Bitcoin again?

If all exchanges do the same thing that Binance had done to safe Bitcoin, this would be impressive and I doubt if the price of Bitcoin would ever exceed the 60k price. There is a bigger manipulation outside which we might not know yet and this would not stop yet. For the price of Bitcoin to go below $65k, it means that their is something the media is not telling us. Bitcoin could fall more because this is an obvious bear market which we have already confirmed and we should not expect to see a sharl rise in the price of Bitcoin yet.

[Lucius]

Can institutional investors save Bitcoin from further decline?

You are living in a delusion, they are the ones who are currently causing it. They emptied their bags at the peak and now they want the lowest price to fill them again. Those who believe that some CZ with a billion $ will save them obviously don't know that it is so insignificant for BTC that it won't move the price even by 1%.

[YOSHIE]

Can institutional investors save Bitcoin from further decline?

Of course you can, because Bitcoin's development is greatly influenced by buyers and sellers, but unfortunately there are many institutional investors, such as well-known companies, Certain organizations or foundations engaged in Bitcoin investment withdraw their funds and switch to other sectors, as we generally see in gold.

In general, institutional investors are currently speculating on gold which is a good step and future, rather than the stock market and crypto market, this is the real problem for the current fall in Bitcoin prices. speculation that if Institutional investors globally return to the Bitcoin market, maybe today the Bitcoin market will look green, it looks like it will take a long time.

[free-bit.co.in]

Institutional money does play a big role yeah, but it is foolish to guarantee that Bitcoin will surpass $100000 only for them. The fact that Binance has moved its entire $1 billion SAFU fund into Bitcoin show that the big players have not lost faith in Bitcoin. This is not just excitement or FOMO but a big bet for the longterm.

At the rate at which ETFs and large companies are still accumulating Bitcoin, demand is much higher than supply. In my opinion if this investment continues like this Bitcoin will soon reach new ATH again

However keep one thing in mind the overall market situation, the flow of money and the market cycle are also very big factor. If demand from big investor decreases or the global economy collapses Bitcoin could crash or remain stagnant for a long time

So, yeah big players support Bitcoin and fuel its price but without the confidence of the entire market they alone cannot save Bitcoin from all danger

[justdimin]

The problem is that exchanges or large institutions move SAFU funds to bitcoin, they will do it on the OTC market which will not affect the market price globally, which is an influence maybe the news published by several articles about this.

I prefer to take more time to accumulate bitcoin at good prices... if the scenario as you mean then bitcoin will be easily manipulated by whales or large institutions.

That OTC system is not understood by people a lot. Normally the people who will buy lets say 10 thousand bitcoins, do not do it by just logging to binance, putting their money into it, getting bitcoin and then withdrawing to cold wallet. That is how a small time investor works, not someone who gets 10k bitcoins.

Those people end up working with these huge exchanges, and those places have both buyers and sellers on OTC world, and they make a deal, so if they do buy that much, they may pay a bit more or a bit less, like the p2p world, but they do not put the money in the market to make it move. This is why someone could spend even billions and not make a 1% difference in the bitcoin price, however the news of them doing that could.

[FirmWars]

Bitcoin has seasons, it has two seasons to be specific and some people also said that the season would be disrespected but we could see that the season has not been completely disrespected,  Bitcoin is still respecting the bear season and even institutional investors can not just make the price to spike to $100k if they start to purchase more Bitcoin. In this season, you should be thinking of how to cease the opportunity to buy more and wait until a bull season.

[whiteblue]

It's possible that institutions will continue to buy if combined, but I don't think they will, especially those that are independent and don't collaborate with others. They will wait for demand to grow in the market. If that growth continues, I think they will definitely enter. It's also important to know that institutions have professional analysts who prioritize caution. They can't possibly make price decisions just to maintain the price level of Bitcoin, which should actually work naturally based on market demand.

[taufik123]

Remember that this decline is also desired by institutional investors because they have already sold their holdings at the beginning when the ATH price is above $100k and regularly do so.
Now they just speculate about the price which could be lowed, or maybe the price will go up.

They continue to influence the market with a lot of bad news and FOMO news,
so that the market is in an unstable state, shaking the psychology of retail traders and utilizing it to their advantage.

Eventually the market will recover and everything starts to enter the market, but big investors and whales have already entered first,
institutional investors and whales are not saving, but they make their own profits with various speculations and manipulations carried out.

[JeffBrad12]

Or do they need more time and a further fall to accumulate Bitcoin again?

Yes they could but only temporary and it does not guarantee that there will be no further decline. Those SAFU funds or whatever it is ought to be converted back to fiat at some point.
Institutional are here for profit and not for charity. If they buy, they will sell it eventually. If you still want them to save the market despite the disadvantage, I guess you're trying to find a good price to exit.
It's always better to have natural market without manipulation even if the manipulation was to stop the decline because such thing will accumulate the bad effect for later.

[Zigabel]

To the best of my knowledge, I don't think any body or institution in particular has got the sole power to exactly affect the price of Bitcoin, although the news of their moves could get certain effect on the market that it could increase demand and reduced supply but the price surge was not exactly caused by their purchase but the inducement of their move that influenced the move of others, because I believe it is a collective effort of both institutions, whales and retailers that gets the market to move and experience the levels of volatility we see with it. When institutions make such huge moves it does triggers reactions from others at retail levels and even other fellow institutional investors because certain institutions has built that name, trust and reputation such that their moves are mostly trusted enough to trigger others to take actions just like they have.

[X-ray]

Can institutional investors save Bitcoin from further decline?

You are living in a delusion, they are the ones who are currently causing it. They emptied their bags at the peak and now they want the lowest price to fill them again. Those who believe that some CZ with a billion $ will save them obviously don't know that it is so insignificant for BTC that it won't move the price even by 1%.

People thinking institutional investors will come to save the day will always be hilarious! the institutional investors are moving pretty much just like the retailers.

When you witnessed surge in the ETF outflow, majority of it might be coming from institutional investors dumping their bitcoin and yet some people think these institutional investors somehow will save the day by buying bitcoin in bulk. That will never happen, the market flow based on supply and demand purely.

[Just Say]

To be honest, Binance has completed 1 billion dollars worth of Bitcoin purchases for its Secured Asset Fund for Users, but we still see that their positive purchases have not had any impact on the market as the Bitcoin market is still in a downward spiral. The purchases of these exchanges were completed in multiple stages amidst the market volatility and you can see that many more institutions and countries are making progress in purchasing Bitcoin or in reserves but still the market situation of the world's largest cryptocurrency coins is not seeing any progress.

By the way as a large institution, Michael Saylor's strategy is constantly buying and I have noticed that Brazil has introduced a bill in their congress to acquire 1 million BTC. At this point, it can be said that the recovery of the price of Bitcoin can happen at any time and this currency will not require any exchanges or institutional investors to recover its price.

[Lucius]

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By the way as a large institution, Michael Saylor's strategy is constantly buying and I have noticed that Brazil has introduced a bill in their congress to acquire 1 million BTC. At this point, it can be said that the recovery of the price of Bitcoin can happen at any time and this currency will not require any exchanges or institutional investors to recover its price.

I honestly thought it was a $1 million investment in BTC, but it's actually a plan to buy 1 million BTC over a five-year period. However, this is just a proposal for now and it seems to me that it is unlikely to be adopted because it would mean that Brazil would need to buy at least 200 000 BTC every year to reach the goal. This is a very large sum of money and it seems to me (maybe I'm wrong) that Brazil cannot afford it unless the price of BTC loses at least 50% of its value.

[dansus021]

This is just my opinion but I dont think we're gonna see a 40K price for bitcoin, I mean yeah its possible but 50-60K is a major support for weekly candle so in my theory the price are ranging there. the weekly equilibirum level is 73-67K.

But Binance has decided to shift its SAFU fund from dollars to Bitcoin.

Like you have said Binance is the biggest exchange today decided to shift is safu fund from dollar to btc they might know something that we dont in here. Strategy or saylor line is break but somehow the company keep buying the bitcoin.