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April 06, 2014, 12:22:33 PM |
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We have yet to see (real) Capitalism being used properly either.
That is the real problem. The real capitalism is not used anywhere. For example, in the US, it is Socialism being dished out after re branded as Capitalism. That's the problem with all : socialism , communism , capitalism etc...In theory all sound ok. In real life , humans find a way to f*** it so good you need to invent a new concept. Say no to "-ism"s! ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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niothor
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April 06, 2014, 12:26:18 PM |
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We have yet to see (real) Capitalism being used properly either.
That is the real problem. The real capitalism is not used anywhere. For example, in the US, it is Socialism being dished out after re branded as Capitalism. That's the problem with all : socialism , communism , capitalism etc...In theory all sound ok. In real life , humans find a way to f*** it so good you need to invent a new concept. Say no to "-ism"s! ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) Now really , English is the fourth foreign language I learned but...is there any -ism word that describes something nice ? I can't think of any right now.
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April 06, 2014, 12:27:17 PM |
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We have yet to see (real) Capitalism being used properly either.
That is the real problem. The real capitalism is not used anywhere. For example, in the US, it is Socialism being dished out after re branded as Capitalism. That's the problem with all : socialism , communism , capitalism etc...In theory all sound ok. In real life , humans find a way to f*** it so good you need to invent a new concept. Say no to "-ism"s! ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) "Say no to onanism first!" ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fabovethelaw.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F04%2Fmasturbation-female-masturbation-300x199.jpg&t=665&c=9GdrwOJiD2Tqpw)
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April 06, 2014, 01:16:12 PM |
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Say no to "-ism"s! ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) OK... then we can go back to the monarchy. It was much better than any of the isms.
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April 06, 2014, 02:33:19 PM |
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Say no to "-ism"s! ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) OK... then we can go back to the monarchy. It was much better than any of the isms. Monarchy it's "-ism" too. "Monarchism", "Absolutism", etc.
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April 06, 2014, 10:02:55 PM |
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Say no to "-ism"s! ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) OK... then we can go back to the monarchy. It was much better than any of the isms. Monarchy it's "-ism" too. "Monarchism", "Absolutism", etc. Technically Liberal is Liberal and not Liberalism which is a bastardization of the word
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April 06, 2014, 10:11:54 PM |
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Technically Liberal is Liberal and not Liberalism which is a bastardization of the word
"Liberalism" is the name of political ideology, which is based on liberty and equality. Do not confuse the name of ideology with the designation of its institutions and followers... Liberal/liberalism, communist/communism, socialist/socialism, etc. Anyway, it doesn't matter... Liberalism concept won't work ever, because a liberal society is unsustainable. It quickly degenerates into an oligarchy in the process of wealth distribution.
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April 06, 2014, 10:27:43 PM |
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Technically Liberal is Liberal and not Liberalism which is a bastardization of the word
"Liberalism" is the name of political ideology, which is based on liberty and equality. Do not confuse the name of ideology with the designation of its institutions and followers... Liberal/liberalism, communist/communism, socialist/socialism, etc. Anyway, it doesn't matter... Liberalism concept won't work ever, because a liberal society is unsustainable. It quickly degenerates into an oligarchy in the process of wealth distribution. True but it is creeping up into papers now and then since people just add ism's to everything. It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried. Sir Winston Churchill British politician (1874 - 1965).
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April 06, 2014, 10:47:13 PM |
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We have yet to see (real) Capitalism being used properly either.
That is the real problem. The real capitalism is not used anywhere. For example, in the US, it is Socialism being dished out after re branded as Capitalism. That's the problem with all : socialism , communism , capitalism etc...In theory all sound ok. In real life , humans find a way to f*** it so good you need to invent a new concept. Say no to "-ism"s! ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) Now really , English is the fourth foreign language I learned but...is there any -ism word that describes something nice ? I can't think of any right now. Libertarianism is "nice" some of the time. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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April 06, 2014, 11:33:08 PM |
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It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried. Sir Winston Churchill British politician (1874 - 1965).
He wasn't the first. Plato said the same using much stronger words. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) Talking the modern language, he said that liberalism has nothing in common with democracy, it's just a "legitimized" way to the seizure of power.
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April 07, 2014, 12:36:53 AM |
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We have yet to see (real) Capitalism being used properly either.
That is the real problem. The real capitalism is not used anywhere. For example, in the US, it is Socialism being dished out after re branded as Capitalism. That's the problem with all : socialism , communism , capitalism etc...In theory all sound ok. In real life , humans find a way to f*** it so good you need to invent a new concept. There's no "new concept" that will fix that. The best thing is to take good parts from everything. Also, improve them slowly over time. But bottom line, human nature will always fuck great ideas up. For example, REAL communism never happened. What happened in Russia, China, etc, was NOT communism. Communism in its supposed form is actually pretty damn amazing - think about, nobody wants for anything, everyone has the same quality of life. There's no need for conflict when we're all equal in terms of food, material goods, etc. But as a society right now, we are not ready for this kind of equality - not all of us want it, and there will always be people who want to abuse their power to live better than anyone else (which is exactly what the people in power in semi-communist states like USSR did). So even though communism is not that bad of an idea, human nature prevents real communism from ever taking place. As for capitalism, for me the biggest problem is that once you get big, you become "too big to fail" which is a blatant contradiction of the entire concept. Failing systems should be allowed to fail, but we are supporting them. The people that get to the top of the capitalist ladder tend to stay there (if not indefinitely, at least for much longer than they should) and amass ridiculous amounts of power to control the entire system.
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All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.
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April 07, 2014, 01:23:12 AM |
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... As for capitalism, for me the biggest problem is that once you get big, you become "too big to fail" which is a blatant contradiction of the entire concept. Failing systems should be allowed to fail, but we are supporting them. The people that get to the top of the capitalist ladder tend to stay there (if not indefinitely, at least for much longer than they should) and amass ridiculous amounts of power to control the entire system.
You are not describing free-market capitalism.
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April 07, 2014, 03:47:40 AM |
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We have yet to see (real) Capitalism being used properly either.
That is the real problem. The real capitalism is not used anywhere. For example, in the US, it is Socialism being dished out after re branded as Capitalism. That's the problem with all : socialism , communism , capitalism etc...In theory all sound ok. In real life , humans find a way to f*** it so good you need to invent a new concept. Lol... Could not put it better myself ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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April 07, 2014, 08:36:44 AM |
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I'm afraid only you and some soviet grandparents miss the Soviet Union.
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April 07, 2014, 08:45:44 AM |
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Don't worry, we still have NK and Venezuela to show us why socialism gets progressively worse the more of it you have ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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April 07, 2014, 08:49:11 AM |
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For example, REAL communism never happened. What happened in Russia, China, etc, was NOT communism. Communism in its supposed form is actually pretty damn amazing - think about, nobody wants for anything, everyone has the same quality of life. There's no need for conflict when we're all equal in terms of food, material goods, etc. But as a society right now, we are not ready for this kind of equality - not all of us want it, and there will always be people who want to abuse their power to live better than anyone else (which is exactly what the people in power in semi-communist states like USSR did). So even though communism is not that bad of an idea, human nature prevents real communism from ever taking place.
USSR economy initially used state capitalism with elements of socialism. According to Lenin, state capitalism it's a necessary stage on the way to create socialist society, just like socialism it's a stage on the way to communist society. China now uses a similar approach, it's a socialist republic with mixed economy (private + public ownership).
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April 07, 2014, 09:36:08 AM |
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My friend's grandmothher will be happy to hear that someone still misses the Soviet Union.
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niothor
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April 07, 2014, 10:33:23 AM |
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We have yet to see (real) Capitalism being used properly either.
That is the real problem. The real capitalism is not used anywhere. For example, in the US, it is Socialism being dished out after re branded as Capitalism. That's the problem with all : socialism , communism , capitalism etc...In theory all sound ok. In real life , humans find a way to f*** it so good you need to invent a new concept. Say no to "-ism"s! ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) Now really , English is the fourth foreign language I learned but...is there any -ism word that describes something nice ? I can't think of any right now. Libertarianism is "nice" some of the time. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Until somebody tries it in real life at a large scale and we can all guess how it will end.
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April 07, 2014, 10:48:41 AM |
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We have yet to see (real) Capitalism being used properly either.
That is the real problem. The real capitalism is not used anywhere. For example, in the US, it is Socialism being dished out after re branded as Capitalism. That's the problem with all : socialism , communism , capitalism etc...In theory all sound ok. In real life , humans find a way to f*** it so good you need to invent a new concept. Say no to "-ism"s! ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) Now really , English is the fourth foreign language I learned but...is there any -ism word that describes something nice ? I can't think of any right now. Organism
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April 07, 2014, 11:24:19 AM |
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My friend's grandmothher will be happy to hear that someone still misses the Soviet Union.
A lot of people still miss the Soviet Union. That is why KPRF gets ~20% of the vote in the Russian election even now.
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