What would Satoshi say about BIP110?

[PepeLapiu]

You will need a little bit more than a couple of Knots nodes to mine your own block. Pretty sure you'd need a fairly powerful watch too...

Nope

You are an idiot. If you could mine a bitcoin block with nothing but a couple of nodes, I'd be rich. And so would you and every other node operator.

[DaveF]

You will need a little bit more than a couple of Knots nodes to mine your own block. Pretty sure you'd need a fairly powerful watch too...

Nope

You are an idiot. If you could mine bitcoin with a couple of nodes, I'd be rich. And so would you and every other node operator.

OK, so you admit you don't know what regtest is or how it works or what it's point is.

Since you insist on remaining ignorant of how things work I'll just let you be helpless out there.
So please stop reading now. Since you can't learn.

For others, regtest is a way of mining blocks locally that allow you to test how things work. The blocks all follow all the rules that are in place that are there at the time.

The code that was posted above will (more or less) activate BIP110 on knots nodes and then mine a transaction with the tiff image of luke crying in it. All while being valid according to BIP110.

If you have any BTC you could do it for real.

-Dave

[PepeLapiu]

OK, so you admit you don't know what regtest is or how it works or what it's point is.

Stop your bitching. Show me the mempool.space link to the actual transaction in question. There is a very insidious reason why all the hit pieces that talk about it don't provide a link to the actual transaction in any explorer.

Also not required but I'd really like to see the block you mined with a couple of Knots nodes. That'd be fun.

[DaveF]

OK, so you admit you don't know what regtest is or how it works or what it's point is.

Stop your bitching. Show me the mempool.space link to the actual transaction in question. There is a very invidious reason why all the hit pieces that talk about it don't provide a link to the actual transaction in any explorer.

Also not required but I'd really like to see the block you mined with a couple of Knots nodes. That'd be fun.

Follow the guide, you can do it too.
Oh wait, you can't since you don't know how to do it because you can't read.

Also, since you are obviously too dumb to figure it out anything mined now on mainnet does not matter since BIP110 is not active. Not that it will ever be in any form that matters.
I now know you are just a troll who has nothing better to do and has no BTC to spend anyway and no money to mine.

-Dave

[PepeLapiu]

Follow the guide, you can do it too.
Oh wait, you can't since you don't know how to do it because you can't read.

This is just stupid. You can mine a zillion blocks on the testnet, but in the real world you will need at least tens of thousands of dollars of power per day to mine a block per month with a lot of expensive asics.

Show me the mempool.space link to the spam in question.

[ABCbits]

Unfortunately, it already happened since more than a decade ago. Some of those method doesn't require miner to manually add the TX either.

Someone is not paying attention here. BIP110 doesn't aim at stopping all spam of all kinds. It aims at stopping contiguous data. Your examples are not contiguous data. A mere link to something is not a file stored on chain.
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3 source i mentioned clearly says the illicit/controversial isn't only link. Besides, i'm talking about past action.

Wikileaks cablegate data

A 2.5 megabyte Wikileak files ('cablegate-201012041811.7z') was embedded in the Bitcoin blockchain. The data is followed by a message explaining how to access it.

The remaining instance is an image depicting mild nudity of a young woman. In an online forum this image is claimed to show child pornography, albeit this claim cannot be verified (due to ethical concerns we refrain from providing a citation). Notably, two of the explicit images were only detected by our suspicious transaction detector, i.e., they were not inserted via known services.

Just days after its official debut, bitcoin (BTC) protocol Ordinals encountered a shock porn image dubbed “goatse,” inscribed into the blockchain through the protocol on Feb. 2.

According to official reports from Ordinals creator Casey Radarmor, the picture was embedded on inscription 668, appearing on Ordinals’ front page for approximately half an hour before the protocol’s devs manually took it down.

The image is on the blockchain network but has since been desynced from appearing on Ordinals’ website. However, users or anyone running the Ordinals can view and access the image.

While also give headache to both wallet developer and user (who manually specify all outputs).

It"s only a mild nuisance if you have a low balance near the dust limit. And if you want to construct yoyd own txs manually, that is your own choice to make things more complicated for yourself.

I'm talking about adding complexity to wallet developer, considering some wallet that support Bitcoin are lagging behind to support advance feature or new address format. On user side, they may never realize the change or find it's not logical.

OK, so you admit you don't know what regtest is or how it works or what it's point is.

Stop your bitching. Show me the mempool.space link to the actual transaction in question. There is a very insidious reason why all the hit pieces that talk about it don't provide a link to the actual transaction in any explorer.

Also not required but I'd really like to see the block you mined with a couple of Knots nodes. That'd be fun.

regtest network only exist on your device. So besides mining on your own regtest, you also need to self-host mempool.space and configure it connect to your regtest network.

[PepeLapiu]

regtest network only exist on your device. So besides mining on your own regtest, you also need to self-host mempool.space and configure it connect to your regtest network.

The whole thing is stupid. Unlike spamware core, Knots is user configurable. So you could turn all the filters way up, or you could turn them all off. Because unlike core, Knots does not have a centralized "mempool policy" they impose on all their nodes.

So you could get Knots to relay everything if you wanted to, much like spamware librerelay does.

And that you mine a block with anything you want in it on the testnet proves absolutely nothing.

[ertil]

Show me the mempool.space link to the actual transaction in question.

https://mempool.space/tx/b8cc570ef453508b6c6a1758bc591c276abdbe2b88881ae487ba4e858bd8d4be

See? It is a valid TIFF file, if you download it in raw form: https://mempool.space/api/tx/b8cc570ef453508b6c6a1758bc591c276abdbe2b88881ae487ba4e858bd8d4be/raw

[PepeLapiu]

See? It is a valid TIFF file, if you download it in raw form: https://mempool.space/api/tx/b8cc570ef453508b6c6a1758bc591c276abdbe2b88881ae487ba4e858bd8d4be/raw

It is not a valid TIFF file. Bitcoin does nor support image hosting. You have to trick the system into thinking it's a valid monetary transaction for the system to process it.

Furthermore, the reason why your hit piece does not show a direct link like you did here is because the reader could too easily find that the transaction was not seen in mempool and non-standard.

Meaning you had to bribe Mara for them to put your stoopit picture in their block. Because the network actively filters against that bullshit.

And you can only relay it with a Knots node because with Knots you can configure your own mempool policy. While with core spamware, you are pretty much stuck with their imposed centralized "mempool policy" they force down the throat of all their users.

[ertil]

It is not a valid TIFF file.

Code:

$ wget https://mempool.space/api/tx/b8cc570ef453508b6c6a1758bc591c276abdbe2b88881ae487ba4e858bd8d4be/raw
Saving 'raw'
HTTP response 200  [https://mempool.space/api/tx/b8cc570ef453508b6c6a1758bc591c2raw                  100% [=============================>]   65.17K    --.-KB/s
                          [Files: 1  Bytes: 65.17K [223.2]
$ file raw
raw: TIFF image data, big-endian, direntries=14, width=0, height=0, bps=0, compression=deflate, PhotometricInterpretation=RGB

My operating system tells me, that it is. And it can open it directly inside image viewer, without any tricks.

Bitcoin does nor support image hosting.

It does support sending transactions. If that transaction is also a valid image, then it is supported.

the transaction was not seen in mempool and non-standard

Making it standard is also possible, but more expensive, because it would take more space. So, do you want to encourage users to use even more on-chain bytes?

[PepeLapiu]

It does support sending transactions. If that transaction is also a valid image, then it is supported.

Bitcoin is money. A picture is not money. You have to trick the system to think your picture us an actual payment for the system to process it.

For example, you can use fake pubkeys or fake scripthash, or fool the system into thinking your picrurebis a genuine signature.

the transaction was not seen in mempool and non-standard

Making it standard is also possible, but more expensive, because it would take more space. So, do you want to encourage users to use even more on-chain bytes?

First and foremost, those are not "users", they are spammers, grifters, and attackers.

And I'm getting tired of you coretards telling me we have to cater to spammers or they will get vicious. It's a defeatist attitude. Guess what, limp spine, if you are not going to get aggresive and vicious against spam, we will.

And yes, I want it to get a lot more expensive for spammers to spam bitcoin. I really don't like that the spammers benefit from the Segwit discount. That should be dealt with soon.

There is no question that we can't stop all spam. But we can open the floodgates wide open and welcome the spammers, as core has been doing for the last 5 years. Or we can patch holes and reduce the attack surface. BIP110 is just the start.