AI Sparks Explosive Division in Forum Community! 🤖

[nutildah]

anonymous and wolf you cannot have a productive discussion without slander. You know the forum rules and ignored them. Lets put aside the topic of AI and focus on behavior which is more important. If this continues I will create a reputation post and give a red trust. This behavior destroys another members reputation. The forum supports BTC as a principle of free speech not abuse it. Do you want to escalate this further?

Stop threatening everybody who disagrees with you. You have no power here. Feedback left by you is basically meaningless because you are not part of DT. And you will never be on DT because you are a psycho. Hilarious that you have 100 posts in your own Report Cyberbullying thread but cyberbullying is something you frequently engage in. Your own behavior is atrocious and I feel bad for anyone who has to deal with you.

Stop with the threats, its very cowardly. Man up. If you're going to do something, stop talking about it and do it.

[howardsentell]

anonymous and wolf you cannot have a productive discussion without slander. You know the forum rules and ignored them. Lets put aside the topic of AI and focus on behavior which is more important. If this continues I will create a reputation post and give a red trust. This behavior destroys another members reputation. The forum supports BTC as a principle of free speech not abuse it. Do you want to escalate this further?

Stop threatening everybody who disagrees with you. You have no power here. Feedback left by you is basically meaningless because you are not part of DT. And you will never be on DT because you are a psycho. Hilarious that you have 100 posts in your own Report Cyberbullying thread but cyberbullying is something you frequently engage in. Your own behavior is atrocious and I feel bad for anyone who has to deal with you.

Stop with the threats, its very cowardly. Man up. If you're going to do something, stop talking about it and do it.

Another example of breaking the rules and slander. Why cant you have a normal conversation without targeting the member? I am not threatening I am just stating the truth. Stop interfering in everyones posts. I want the truth not accolades. Who do you think you are?

[anonymousminer]

anonymous and wolf you cannot have a productive discussion without slander. You know the forum rules and ignored them. Lets put aside the topic of AI and focus on behavior which is more important. If this continues I will create a reputation post and give a red trust. This behavior destroys another members reputation. The forum supports BTC as a principle of free speech not abuse it. Do you want to escalate this further?

Stop threatening everybody who disagrees with you. You have no power here. Feedback left by you is basically meaningless because you are not part of DT. And you will never be on DT because you are a psycho. Hilarious that you have 100 posts in your own Report Cyberbullying thread but cyberbullying is something you frequently engage in. Your own behavior is atrocious and I feel bad for anyone who has to deal with you.

Stop with the threats, its very cowardly. Man up. If you're going to do something, stop talking about it and do it.

I hadn't seen this as I have this user on ignore as well.  The user is a complete moron... and f**king senile as well.  I already have red trust from them... they used to write it and then delete it and retype it on the regular to keep it at the top of my trust list.  On top of that, this prick has chimed in on every thread posted by his bestie about Mopar me or both so it would certainly not be something new.  Honestly both of these users are a stain on this forum.  There have been plenty of warnings about these two, so no need to rehash the MANY threads.  howard just continues to buy merit in collectibles by using his money to give away loaded collectibles... and his clownshow sidekick spams AI all over this forum.  They have tried to damage reps of other members but it has just made them look foolish.  Just put them on ignore as they are a waste of time....

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that psycho link is perfect.  he thought he could erase the internet.  kinda funny that he's the guy starting the cyberbullying thread... showing yet again... howard a huge waste of time.

[howardsentell]

anonymous and wolf you cannot have a productive discussion without slander. You know the forum rules and ignored them. Lets put aside the topic of AI and focus on behavior which is more important. If this continues I will create a reputation post and give a red trust. This behavior destroys another members reputation. The forum supports BTC as a principle of free speech not abuse it. Do you want to escalate this further?

Stop threatening everybody who disagrees with you. You have no power here. Feedback left by you is basically meaningless because you are not part of DT. And you will never be on DT because you are a psycho. Hilarious that you have 100 posts in your own Report Cyberbullying thread but cyberbullying is something you frequently engage in. Your own behavior is atrocious and I feel bad for anyone who has to deal with you.

Stop with the threats, its very cowardly. Man up. If you're going to do something, stop talking about it and do it.

I hadn't seen this as I have this user on ignore as well.  The user is a complete moron... and f**king senile as well.  I already have red trust from them... they used to write it and then delete it and retype it on the regular to keep it at the top of my trust list.  On top of that, this prick has chimed in on every thread posted by his bestie about Mopar me or both so it would certainly not be something new.  Honestly both of these users are a stain on this forum.  There have been plenty of warnings about these two, so no need to rehash the MANY threads.  howard just continues to buy merit in collectibles by using his money to give away loaded collectibles... and his clownshow sidekick spams AI all over this forum.  They have tried to damage reps of other members but it has just made them look foolish.  Just put them on ignore as they are a waste of time....

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that psycho link is perfect.  he thought he could erase the internet.  kinda funny that he's the guy starting the cyberbullying thread... showing yet again... howard a huge waste of time.

We all recognize this behavior is not normal. In real life away from the keyboard this behavor would be stopped immediately. Go out today call someone retarded, moron, prick, senile, scammer, psycho, waste of time, stain, clown, foolish and see what happens.

[DireWolfM14]

anonymous and wolf you cannot have a productive discussion without slander. You know the forum rules and ignored them. Lets put aside the topic of AI and focus on behavior which is more important. If this continues I will create a reputation post and give a red trust. This behavior destroys another members reputation. The forum supports BTC as a principle of free speech not abuse it. Do you want to escalate this further? Learn to agree to disagree if not move on. Proverbs 14:22 Isnt it obvious that conspirators lose out while the thoughtful win loyalty and trust.

This is not the place for a discussion about behavior, there's a whole board for discussing your alt farming, merit abuse, scam attempts, and trust abuse.  Don't worry, we'll get there.  This is in fact a thread about AI, the umpteenth one you have started.

And, you're wrong about many things, not the least of which is that people of this community care about my behavior towards you.  No, they care far more that the forum remains free of your AI spam than me being an asshole to potential scammers.

[howardsentell]

anonymous and wolf you cannot have a productive discussion without slander. You know the forum rules and ignored them. Lets put aside the topic of AI and focus on behavior which is more important. If this continues I will create a reputation post and give a red trust. This behavior destroys another members reputation. The forum supports BTC as a principle of free speech not abuse it. Do you want to escalate this further? Learn to agree to disagree if not move on. Proverbs 14:22 Isnt it obvious that conspirators lose out while the thoughtful win loyalty and trust.

This is not the place for a discussion about behavior, there's a whole board for discussing your alt farming, merit abuse, scam attempts, and trust abuse.  Don't worry, we'll get there.  This is in fact a thread about AI, the umpteenth one you have started.

And, you're wrong about many things, not the least of which is that people of this community care about my behavior towards you.  No, they care far more that the forum remains free of your AI spam than me being an asshole to potential scammers.

To discover who the cyberbullies are on the forum check out my posts. The spread of misinformation leads to a lack of audience engagement.

[Kazkaz27]

Stop threatening everybody who disagrees with you. You have no power here. Feedback left by you is basically meaningless because you are not part of DT. And you will never be on DT because you are a psycho. Hilarious that you have 100 posts in your own Report Cyberbullying thread but cyberbullying is something you frequently engage in. Your own behavior is atrocious and I feel bad for anyone who has to deal with you.

Stop with the threats, its very cowardly. Man up. If you're going to do something, stop talking about it and do it.

I would have considered what Howard said a warning not a threat..

Well this directly contradicts that DT1’s are like “rEgULaR” members, have “n0 pOwEr” over others and are “nOt leaders” here. Seems relevant to this topic Higher Standards which members downplay the significance of DT1 authority.

Also, with all the explosiveness going on as well as the Poll in the main text kinda proves that AI is a topic that in fact has caused some “explosive division”

[Kazkaz27]

This is not the place for a discussion about behavior, there's a whole board for discussing your alt farming, merit abuse, scam attempts, and trust abuse.  Don't worry, we'll get there.  This is in fact a thread about AI, the umpteenth one you have started.

And, you're wrong about many things, not the least of which is that people of this community care about my behavior towards you.  No, they care far more that the forum remains free of your AI spam than me being an asshole to potential scammers.

Lol, Howard according to your rectoric is apparently a “retarded, moron, prick, senile, scammer, psycho, waste of time, stain, clown, foolish” yet he is so capable you have not yet been able to provide any evidence to support any of your claims against him. Seems like he is smart enough to get you into an outrage. Those that can make you lose your minds are masters over you. Again, just provide the facts in regards to serious accusations. Blanket statements are weak.

I hadn't seen this as I have this user on ignore as well.  The user is a complete moron... and f**king senile as well.  I already have red trust from them... they used to write it and then delete it and retype it on the regular to keep it at the top of my trust list.  On top of that, this prick has chimed in on every thread posted by his bestie about Mopar me or both so it would certainly not be something new.  Honestly both of these users are a stain on this forum.  There have been plenty of warnings about these two, so no need to rehash the MANY threads.  howard just continues to buy merit in collectibles by using his money to give away loaded collectibles... and his clownshow sidekick spams AI all over this forum.  They have tried to damage reps of other members but it has just made them look foolish.  Just put them on ignore as they are a waste of time....

edit:
that psycho link is perfect.  he thought he could erase the internet.  kinda funny that he's the guy starting the cyberbullying thread... showing yet again... howard a huge waste of time.

As for anonymous. Every other word is a curse. I swear he is possessed by demons. I pray for him. This is not how professional people should act and he stands against the Higher Standards which should be in place to hold DT1 authority. It's honestly, dishonorable to the forum that he posses DT1.


I support the delisting of DireWolfM14 & anonymousminer from DT1. There persistent abuse which they enact is unbecoming of DT1 Higher Standards

~DireWolfM14
~anonymousminer

Your hatred could be better spent elsewhere. I get surprised when you do something nice. I can always guess when you respond to a post that it will be against whatever I say, even when I have given the same advice as you in the past to members, which you then say to ignore, yet you then give the same exact advice yourselves to take the credit and feel special. 🤦‍♂️ Talk about moronic. At this point, you just make up stuff and throw it at a wall to try and make it stick, because every time you respond, I make you guys look foolish for your feeble attempts to discredit those you have no ability to. You simply are haters, and that makes you a great advertisement.

[DireWolfM14]

To discover who the cyberbullies are on the forum check out my posts. The spread of misinformation leads to a lack of audience engagement.

You've already given me two baseless red-tags, and now threatening to give me more from your multiple accounts, but I'm the cyberbully?

You have a habit of projecting your defects and deficiencies onto others.

Here's a prime example:

Seems like he is smart enough to get you into an outrage. Those that can make you lose your minds are masters over you.

I'm not outraged.  I'm not the one threatening to red-tag everyone I disagree with.  I'm just pointing out simple facts.

FACT: You tried to sell private keys, and everyday since then you've behaved in the exact opposite way of someone who's trustworthy enough to pre-generate keys.  That makes you a potential scammer.
FACT: You've bullied, harassed, defamed, and slandered people in your multiple threads that you started in the Reputation and Meta boards.
FACT: You've abused the trust system by leaving multiple members baseless, frivolous feed back.


And I'll admit, there's no concrete evidence of the following, but the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming:

ALLEGED: You are an alt farmer, with multiple alts.
ALLEGED: You are sending merit to your alts.
ALLEGED: You are further abusing the trust system by adding your alts to your trust lists.

[Kazkaz27]

To discover who the cyberbullies are on the forum check out my posts. The spread of misinformation leads to a lack of audience engagement.

You've already given me two baseless red-tags, and now threatening to give me more from your multiple accounts, but I'm the cyberbully?

You have a habit of projecting your defects and deficiencies onto others.

Here's a prime example:

Seems like he is smart enough to get you into an outrage. Those that can make you lose your minds are masters over you.

I'm not outraged.  I'm not the one threatening to red-tag everyone I disagree with.  I'm just pointing out simple facts.

FACT: You tried to sell private keys, and everyday since then you've behaved in the exact opposite way of someone who's trustworthy enough to pre-generate keys.  That makes you a potential scammer.
FACT: You've bullied, harassed, defamed, and slandered people in your multiple threads that you started in the Reputation and Meta boards.
FACT: You've abused the trust system by leaving multiple members baseless, frivolous feed back.


And I'll admit, there's no concrete evidence of the following, but the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming:

ALLEGED: You are an alt farmer, with multiple alts.
ALLEGED: You are sending merit to your alts.
ALLEGED: You are further abusing the trust system by adding your alts to your trust lists.

Lol, all baseless claims and opinions except for the fact I do essentially sell private keys because I sell Wallets. Factually, everyone is a potential scammer. 🤦‍♂️

[alegotardo]

I believe there could be two types of improvements to help keep things under control.
The first is to categorize reports. I do not know why they have not thought of this yet or why it has not implemented yet... when someone makes a report, they could choose from a predefined list the reason for doing so: spam, off topic, plagiarism, fraud, use of AI or othes... and obviously below a free field to person justify the report or add more details to the moderators.

Why is this important? First, because I think some types of reports are more urgent than others (plagiarism vs. off-topic, for example: ), and then moderators can act first, prioritizing what is most important.

Second, because would be possible to have more statistics about the "problems" of user behavior and take proactive or "educational" measures to try understand it and reduce these behavioral problems.

And the other improvement would be to have an auto assessment of plagiarism in each post.
I know this is critical, but perhaps it would be interesting if each post had an indicator (percentage) of how suspicious that post is.
Obviously, this should not be a criterion for reporting, but it could be a premise for conducting a more detailed investigation and even discourage people who still insist on using AI to blatantly generate content.

[howardsentell]

To discover who the cyberbullies are on the forum check out my posts. The spread of misinformation leads to a lack of audience engagement.

You've already given me two baseless red-tags, and now threatening to give me more from your multiple accounts, but I'm the cyberbully?

You have a habit of projecting your defects and deficiencies onto others.

Here's a prime example:

Seems like he is smart enough to get you into an outrage. Those that can make you lose your minds are masters over you.

I'm not outraged.  I'm not the one threatening to red-tag everyone I disagree with.  I'm just pointing out simple facts.

FACT: You tried to sell private keys, and everyday since then you've behaved in the exact opposite way of someone who's trustworthy enough to pre-generate keys.  That makes you a potential scammer.
FACT: You've bullied, harassed, defamed, and slandered people in your multiple threads that you started in the Reputation and Meta boards.
FACT: You've abused the trust system by leaving multiple members baseless, frivolous feed back.


And I'll admit, there's no concrete evidence of the following, but the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming:

ALLEGED: You are an alt farmer, with multiple alts.
ALLEGED: You are sending merit to your alts.
ALLEGED: You are further abusing the trust system by adding your alts to your trust lists.

wolf facts not accusations explain why you have 5 FLAGS and over 30 RED TRUST from members. There are too many examples to list. Everything you blame members for is just you looking in the mirror.

[Kazkaz27]

I believe there could be two types of improvements to help keep things under control.
The first is to categorize reports. I do not know why they have not thought of this yet or why it has not implemented yet... when someone makes a report, they could choose from a predefined list the reason for doing so: spam, off topic, plagiarism, fraud, use of AI or othes... and obviously below a free field to person justify the report or add more details to the moderators.

Why is this important? First, because I think some types of reports are more urgent than others (plagiarism vs. off-topic, for example: ), and then moderators can act first, prioritizing what is most important.

Second, because would be possible to have more statistics about the "problems" of user behavior and take proactive or "educational" measures to try understand it and reduce these behavioral problems.

And the other improvement would be to have an auto assessment of plagiarism in each post.
I know this is critical, but perhaps it would be interesting if each post had an indicator (percentage) of how suspicious that post is.
Obviously, this should not be a criterion for reporting, but it could be a premise for conducting a more detailed investigation and even discourage people who still insist on using AI to blatantly generate content.

I like this idea 💡, although all reports should be treated with importance. Even if prioritized through criteria, all reports should be effectively reviewed and given due process within a reasonable amount of time. Reports viewed as “not as important” should not go unprocessed or delayed. I’d say reports should be categorized, but I’d suggest reports should be put into a queue, tagged by categorization, on a first-come, first-served basis.

The other idea I like as well. I back it.

overwhelmed moderators.

I'm certainly not overwhelmed. In fact, I probably could do with more reports coming my way. Finding posts to take action on is a little different as I'm only one pair of eyes, but I'd estimate over 80% of actions I take are from posts I find rather than them being reported. Certainly, over 50%.

Lets take a look at some of the past months:

Period Jan 04 - Feb 03. In this period, 1457 reports handled as good, 65 handled as bad, 145 unhandled.

Period Dec 05 - Jan 04. In this period, 1870 reports handled as good, 65 handled as bad, 106 unhandled

Period Nov 05 - Dec 05. In this period, 1268 reports handled as good, 77 handled as bad, 83 unhandled.

The vast majority of reports are handled every month/period. In those 3 periods, we have over 90% handled consistently. Unhandled below 10% consistently. Also, do remember that unhandled reports don't mean they haven't been seen or reviewed. Leaving reports unhandled is a perfectly valid option at times. I would estimate (without any evidence of course) that more than 80% of those unhandled reports were seen and reviewed by someone. It could also be based on the time theymos retrieved those stats, it might be that the time theymos retrieves those stats, is a particular hotspot for unhandled reports. Also, some might be in local sections which don't have a dedicated moderator, and therefore no or very little knowledge of the languages between the mods. So, we have to take all those things into consideration.

Personally, I don't think that looks like the mods being overwhelmed. I think we have a little more than 20 moderators including theymos. Lets just say 20 to be safe though. If we take the total of those three periods: 5136 reports and divide that by the amount of mods, thats a little more than 250~ reports across three periods for each moderator. That's a little more than 100 if we take the busiest period of those three for each moderator. That's like a couple reports per moderator each day right?

The height of ICOS and airdrops you might consider it a heavy workload, and a lot got missed then due to sheer amount, but that was when the forum was at its highest activity level. Well before the influx of AI issues, but I don't think the current moderators are overworked per say. Its more like, there's not enough eyes, this was supplemented by a highly active community reporting things, but that has declined over the years, which I would like to see some sort of positive encouragement towards getting more users to report like the report badges or something.


Just for transparency I've handled 2 reports in the last hour (which includes making this post also) and taken 13 actions myself. So, absolutely reports don't make up our entire workload, but that's the only statistics we have to base on when considering whether we are overworked or not.

I appreciate your response to this important issue. It’s great to get feedback like this. I am all for transparency. More eyes on the situation is something I advocate for. I would like to see the community being proactive, considering improvements, ideas, solutions, and at the very least having some dialogue on matters that could use a little attention. Some things can get so outdated that they just don’t make sense anymore. The forum, I think, is experiencing this. We should care to improve. Honestly, just maintaining something always leads to its eventual demise.