Floyd Mayweather vs. Manny Pacquiao Part II

[coinrifft]

OP: A friend who doesn’t watch boxing told me about it. He didn’t even know these guys were still fighting and thought they had already retired, which gives me an idea of how this fight is being received (or how it should be receivedm) by the fans of these fighters. It also demonstrates, or continues to demonstrate, the crisis that professional boxing is currently going through. There’s no new talent creating serious expectations, not like in the days when these two guys were in their prime.

It’s a shame the path professional boxing has taken with these fixed fights.

There are still a lot of interesting fighters though, in the lower weight we have Inoue, although you can say that he doesn't want to go out of his comfort zone. 147 lbs should be the jewel of the boxing world, I could say that maybe Ryan Garcia might be the face of this division. Going back to the fight, and looking at most of the comments, it's all for the money grab. But fans they can still generate hype just like what you friend who doesn't watch boxing but still this news somewhat reach him. And just like any other contact sports, champions might come and go, but the sweet science remains the same. This two is generational talent, specially Manny who is the only 8 division world champion.

[bbc.reporter]

I would say what Manny had was exhibition as well no matter how much "official" it was considered.

Also I would like to point out this isn't an "official" match neither, sure maybe that is the case officially, I do not know, but this is just a scripted fake boxing between two old fighters and nothing to gain from this.

Do not expect the type of fights we see from title fighters or anything like that, it will not be the case and we are going to see a boring case of two old geezers who is only out there to make some money.

I won't go to the extend of calling this fight as rigged. That said, this is not going to be a very competitive match. And that is the difference between exhibition matches and professional matches. But that doesn't matter for the vast majority of the fans. Manny Pacquiao's fans in the Philippines and abroad wants to watch him in action and throw a few punches at Mayweather. That's all. I really doubt whether they have any other expectations. And Mayweather is just there for the money. If someone is ready to throw a few tens of millions of USD for 1-2 hours, then why should he reject the offer?

However, it can be argued that this fight is rigged already after Pacman agreed to the demands of the Floyd Gayweather hehehehe. Floyd has chosen the referee and the judges. They are part of his business plan where if the scorecards are beginning to have Pacman as the leader, the referee can stop the momentum of Pacman or the judges will score the rounds for Gayweather even if Pacman has won them.

[Sithara007]

However, it can be argued that this fight is rigged already after Pacman agreed to the demands of the Floyd Gayweather hehehehe. Floyd has chosen the referee and the judges. They are part of his business plan where if the scorecards are beginning to have Pacman as the leader, the referee can stop the momentum of Pacman or the judges will score the rounds for Gayweather even if Pacman has won them.

Well.. I don't know. Mayweather already defeated Pacquiao, when both of them were in their prime. Now why should be bother about the result of an exhibition match? But you never know. Perhaps Mayweather wants to maintain the unbeaten record. That said, I have a warning to the fans who want to place a bet for this match. Be careful this time. This match is not going to be very competitive, as is the case with most of the exhibition matches involving retired players. It may well end in a draw, and fans from both the camps may end up losing the money they bet upon.

[Dave1]

I would say what Manny had was exhibition as well no matter how much "official" it was considered.

Also I would like to point out this isn't an "official" match neither, sure maybe that is the case officially, I do not know, but this is just a scripted fake boxing between two old fighters and nothing to gain from this.

Do not expect the type of fights we see from title fighters or anything like that, it will not be the case and we are going to see a boring case of two old geezers who is only out there to make some money.

I won't go to the extend of calling this fight as rigged. That said, this is not going to be a very competitive match. And that is the difference between exhibition matches and professional matches. But that doesn't matter for the vast majority of the fans. Manny Pacquiao's fans in the Philippines and abroad wants to watch him in action and throw a few punches at Mayweather. That's all. I really doubt whether they have any other expectations. And Mayweather is just there for the money. If someone is ready to throw a few tens of millions of USD for 1-2 hours, then why should he reject the offer?

However, it can be argued that this fight is rigged already after Pacman agreed to the demands of the Floyd Gayweather hehehehe. Floyd has chosen the referee and the judges. They are part of his business plan where if the scorecards are beginning to have Pacman as the leader, the referee can stop the momentum of Pacman or the judges will score the rounds for Gayweather even if Pacman has won them.

If that happens then there will be a big uproar on the boxing community if they see that it looks like the fight is rigged and favor Floyd even though the fight is very clear the Manny Pacquiao might have won it but the judges score it otherwise.

So still very much to be agreed upon if this is rigged or not because for sure Manny doesn't want to lose a second time against Floyd. We might say that he has been dreaming of any chance and show the world that he can beat Floyd.

[TopTort777]

OP: A friend who doesn’t watch boxing told me about it. He didn’t even know these guys were still fighting and thought they had already retired, which gives me an idea of how this fight is being received (or how it should be receivedm) by the fans of these fighters. It also demonstrates, or continues to demonstrate, the crisis that professional boxing is currently going through. There’s no new talent creating serious expectations, not like in the days when these two guys were in their prime.

It’s a shame the path professional boxing has taken with these fixed fights.

Pro boxing these days got a lot of cherry picking going on. We constantly seeing pro boxers going against each other with a clean record. They tend to build up their record, having zero loses by carefully picking their opponents and then they go up in the bigger stage as undefeated to hype up the match. It's pretty much the same like match fixing.

I don't know if we still can see talents like these 2 guys possessed. But, in this current stage of their career, we will not going to see much like how this series should happen long ago while they're still in their prime.

You are absolutely right about cherry picking, fixed fights or avoiding strong opponents like fire, because I cant explain how come it be so many professional boxers, so high in rating, but have 0 in loss record. As if there are lists and tops that goes parallel in same organizations. For example there are guys with 20-30 wins, 0 losses and they are all in top1-10. I find it always surprising why dont they fight between each other.

[beerlover]

You are absolutely right about cherry picking, fixed fights or avoiding strong opponents like fire, because I cant explain how come it be so many professional boxers, so high in rating, but have 0 in loss record. As if there are lists and tops that goes parallel in same organizations. For example there are guys with 20-30 wins, 0 losses and they are all in top1-10. I find it always surprising why dont they fight between each other.

The fact that he can, is what made him do it. Mayweather for example always picked whoever was the lowest rank he could fifth, to keep his title, and then he just did exhibition fights after he "retired". The problem is that, no idea how he does it but he keeps bleeding out money.

These guys really have no idea how money is managed, not because he makes bad investments or anything like that, but he keeps spending way more than he can, and then these type of fights are becoming a must even at nearly fifty years old. If he wants to not fight some logan brother at sixty years old, then he better end up putting some aside and cutting costs and start living a bit better. Spending millions and millions a month is not a smart move.

[serjent05]

Well.. I don't know. Mayweather already defeated Pacquiao when both of them were in their prime.

 They were already past their prime when they fought, and Mayweather kept dodging the fight against Manny when Manny was in his prime.  It is a good strategy indeed or making sure his records is spotless, evading tough boxers and having both the referee and judges favor him (Mayweather Jr.)

Now why should be bother about the result of an exhibition match? But you never know. Perhaps Mayweather wants to maintain the unbeaten record. That said, I have a warning to the fans who want to place a bet for this match. Be careful this time. This match is not going to be very competitive, as is the case with most of the exhibition matches involving retired players. It may well end in a draw, and fans from both the camps may end up losing the money they bet upon.

True, since the match is only an exhibition match, we should not expect that this one will be better when they first fight.  I assume that Mayweather Jr. will stick to his previous gameplan, running.

[bbc.reporter]

However, it can be argued that this fight is rigged already after Pacman agreed to the demands of the Floyd Gayweather hehehehe. Floyd has chosen the referee and the judges. They are part of his business plan where if the scorecards are beginning to have Pacman as the leader, the referee can stop the momentum of Pacman or the judges will score the rounds for Gayweather even if Pacman has won them.

Well.. I don't know. Mayweather already defeated Pacquiao, when both of them were in their prime. Now why should be bother about the result of an exhibition match? But you never know. Perhaps Mayweather wants to maintain the unbeaten record. That said, I have a warning to the fans who want to place a bet for this match. Be careful this time. This match is not going to be very competitive, as is the case with most of the exhibition matches involving retired players. It may well end in a draw, and fans from both the camps may end up losing the money they bet upon.

If Floyd Gayweather is really thinking that he can win against Pacman without the prefight negotiations that he has proposed, why did he have these prefight demands that are certainly rigging this fight to Gayweather's advantage?

Also, as a fan of boxing, are these prefight demands that are rigging these fights good for this sport? It is very much bad, correct?

[coinrifft]

However, it can be argued that this fight is rigged already after Pacman agreed to the demands of the Floyd Gayweather hehehehe. Floyd has chosen the referee and the judges. They are part of his business plan where if the scorecards are beginning to have Pacman as the leader, the referee can stop the momentum of Pacman or the judges will score the rounds for Gayweather even if Pacman has won them.

Well.. I don't know. Mayweather already defeated Pacquiao, when both of them were in their prime. Now why should be bother about the result of an exhibition match? But you never know. Perhaps Mayweather wants to maintain the unbeaten record. That said, I have a warning to the fans who want to place a bet for this match. Be careful this time. This match is not going to be very competitive, as is the case with most of the exhibition matches involving retired players. It may well end in a draw, and fans from both the camps may end up losing the money they bet upon.

If Floyd Gayweather is really thinking that he can win against Pacman without the prefight negotiations that he has proposed, why did he have these prefight demands that are certainly rigging this fight to Gayweather's advantage?

Also, as a fan of boxing, are these prefight demands that are rigging these fights good for this sport? It is very much bad, correct?

Yeah, for me it doesn't make sense to make this demand pre-fight, c'mon this is boxing, I don't know who started this kind of demands, but old school boxing doesn't have this kind, the great fights even at the square ring. Not unlike in the 2000's where there are clauses like this that might ruin the sports itself, rehydration clause is one in my opinion. Perhaps Floyd knows that he wanted to have the advantage before the pre-fight, sort of like winning already before he throws the first punch. Maybe it's for his ego to say that he still is the A-side against the great Pacman.

[TopTort777]

However, it can be argued that this fight is rigged already after Pacman agreed to the demands of the Floyd Gayweather hehehehe. Floyd has chosen the referee and the judges. They are part of his business plan where if the scorecards are beginning to have Pacman as the leader, the referee can stop the momentum of Pacman or the judges will score the rounds for Gayweather even if Pacman has won them.

Well.. I don't know. Mayweather already defeated Pacquiao, when both of them were in their prime. Now why should be bother about the result of an exhibition match? But you never know. Perhaps Mayweather wants to maintain the unbeaten record. That said, I have a warning to the fans who want to place a bet for this match. Be careful this time. This match is not going to be very competitive, as is the case with most of the exhibition matches involving retired players. It may well end in a draw, and fans from both the camps may end up losing the money they bet upon.

If Floyd Gayweather is really thinking that he can win against Pacman without the prefight negotiations that he has proposed, why did he have these prefight demands that are certainly rigging this fight to Gayweather's advantage?

Also, as a fan of boxing, are these prefight demands that are rigging these fights good for this sport? It is very much bad, correct?

Celebrity has always his own weird rider If you cant fulfil rider demands, then you should find other celebrity. Floyd appearance in the ring generate crazy sales. Promotors know that, Floyd knows that and speculate with that. If he can ask for extra cream, why not do that? His record allows him to act like he wants.

If I was asked which rematch I would wish to watch, I would have chosen Canelo instead of Pacman. Floyd might have won that fight because he was more experienced and Canelo was young. Now lets see how fight would go when Canelo is experienced but Floyd is old.

[nimogsm]

You are absolutely right about cherry picking, fixed fights or avoiding strong opponents like fire, because I cant explain how come it be so many professional boxers, so high in rating, but have 0 in loss record. As if there are lists and tops that goes parallel in same organizations. For example there are guys with 20-30 wins, 0 losses and they are all in top1-10. I find it always surprising why dont they fight between each other.

The fact that he can, is what made him do it. Mayweather for example always picked whoever was the lowest rank he could fifth, to keep his title, and then he just did exhibition fights after he "retired". The problem is that, no idea how he does it but he keeps bleeding out money.

These guys really have no idea how money is managed, not because he makes bad investments or anything like that, but he keeps spending way more than he can, and then these type of fights are becoming a must even at nearly fifty years old. If he wants to not fight some logan brother at sixty years old, then he better end up putting some aside and cutting costs and start living a bit better. Spending millions and millions a month is not a smart move.

Let him do what he wants with his money, that's his personal business. As a boxer, he's already proven himself, but what's happening with his business is another matter. He's carved out a rather interesting niche with gyms and clothing brands. Despite his tax problems, he's staying afloat. I don't think he'll become a clown willing to pay for staged fights. There's no doubt that exhibition fights will be a future trend.

[Sithara007]

If Floyd Gayweather is really thinking that he can win against Pacman without the prefight negotiations that he has proposed, why did he have these prefight demands that are certainly rigging this fight to Gayweather's advantage?

Also, as a fan of boxing, are these prefight demands that are rigging these fights good for this sport? It is very much bad, correct?

Well.. it is true that Pacquiao wanted this rematch more than Mayweather. Given this, Mayweather put forward a number of conditions so that the fight goes ahead. And this has happened with many other fights before this one. Boxers with a high market demand usually bargains for a better deal. Pacquiao and his team knows that any other opponent would not bring the same amount of PPVs as Mayweather. Same is true with Mayweather as well. Pacquiao as his opponent is better for him, compared to the ones he had recently. Even then, it doesn't make this fight a rigged one.

[Vaculin]

If Floyd Gayweather is really thinking that he can win against Pacman without the prefight negotiations that he has proposed, why did he have these prefight demands that are certainly rigging this fight to Gayweather's advantage?

Also, as a fan of boxing, are these prefight demands that are rigging these fights good for this sport? It is very much bad, correct?

Well.. it is true that Pacquiao wanted this rematch more than Mayweather. Given this, Mayweather put forward a number of conditions so that the fight goes ahead. And this has happened with many other fights before this one. Boxers with a high market demand usually bargains for a better deal. Pacquiao and his team knows that any other opponent would not bring the same amount of PPVs as Mayweather. Same is true with Mayweather as well. Pacquiao as his opponent is better for him, compared to the ones he had recently. Even then, it doesn't make this fight a rigged one.

It’s really just the power of negotiation. In reality both fighters need the money and this is easy money for them, so whatever the result of the talks is, the credit will usually go to the negotiators who manage to bring more money to the table for their side.

Before, Floyd Mayweather Jr. was known to be very good at negotiation, but things have changed now and Manny Pacquiao can also push back and try to make it closer to a 50-50 split.

But regardless of the final deal, both will still earn a significant amount of money even if the split ends up slightly lower than 50 for one of them.

[Emitdama]

However, it can be argued that this fight is rigged already after Pacman agreed to the demands of the Floyd Gayweather hehehehe. Floyd has chosen the referee and the judges. They are part of his business plan where if the scorecards are beginning to have Pacman as the leader, the referee can stop the momentum of Pacman or the judges will score the rounds for Gayweather even if Pacman has won them.

Pacman accepted whatever Mayweather wants in return of money, and he only cares about how much money he will get. In fact, let alone the judges and the referee, the whole thing is organized by people close to Mayweather, that alone should be example enough. Pacman only wants money and as long as he gets the money, eh would not mind getting punched as much as needed, he doesn't care about a win, he doesn't care about any revenge, all he cares about is making tens of millions of dollars, and I wouldn't blame him for it.

[Taskford]

However, it can be argued that this fight is rigged already after Pacman agreed to the demands of the Floyd Gayweather hehehehe. Floyd has chosen the referee and the judges. They are part of his business plan where if the scorecards are beginning to have Pacman as the leader, the referee can stop the momentum of Pacman or the judges will score the rounds for Gayweather even if Pacman has won them.

Pacman accepted whatever Mayweather wants in return of money, and he only cares about how much money he will get. In fact, let alone the judges and the referee, the whole thing is organized by people close to Mayweather, that alone should be example enough. Pacman only wants money and as long as he gets the money, eh would not mind getting punched as much as needed, he doesn't care about a win, he doesn't care about any revenge, all he cares about is making tens of millions of dollars, and I wouldn't blame him for it.

I don't agree on what you have said, because Pacquaio is not known to be like that. He have reputation to protect and he's well known 8 division world champion, maybe there's part of him want to get money because who's fighter or people will not care about big purse they can get after the fight?

But for longest time he wait for this rematch to happen, so for sure that Pacquaio will do all his best to defeat Mayweather. Since this will bring another good achievement on his boxing career. Also the fight is professionally sanctioned so expect to see a more interesting fight between them.

[Sithara007]

It’s really just the power of negotiation. In reality both fighters need the money and this is easy money for them, so whatever the result of the talks is, the credit will usually go to the negotiators who manage to bring more money to the table for their side.

Before, Floyd Mayweather Jr. was known to be very good at negotiation, but things have changed now and Manny Pacquiao can also push back and try to make it closer to a 50-50 split.

But regardless of the final deal, both will still earn a significant amount of money even if the split ends up slightly lower than 50 for one of them.

I really don't think that Mayweather will agree for a 50-50 split. Even a 60-40 split won't be acceptable for him. The major factor here is that Mayweather won the fight between these two in 2015. That changes everything. Usually the losing party will have much less sway in any future negotiations, when compared to the winner. And also, Mayweather has multiple options available to him, including the fight against Mike Tyson (Mayweather is being offered a guaranteed payment of £15.3 million for this fight). But the amo8unt being quoted for Floyd Mayweather vs. Manny Pacquiao 2 is massive. The rumour is that Mayweather may receive around £200 million.

[bbc.reporter]

If Floyd Gayweather is really thinking that he can win against Pacman without the prefight negotiations that he has proposed, why did he have these prefight demands that are certainly rigging this fight to Gayweather's advantage?

Also, as a fan of boxing, are these prefight demands that are rigging these fights good for this sport? It is very much bad, correct?

Well.. it is true that Pacquiao wanted this rematch more than Mayweather. Given this, Mayweather put forward a number of conditions so that the fight goes ahead. And this has happened with many other fights before this one. Boxers with a high market demand usually bargains for a better deal. Pacquiao and his team knows that any other opponent would not bring the same amount of PPVs as Mayweather. Same is true with Mayweather as well. Pacquiao as his opponent is better for him, compared to the ones he had recently. Even then, it doesn't make this fight a rigged one.

Choosing the judges and the referee who will be under your control certainly implies that the fight will be rigged. However, you might be correct on Pacman. He might have agreed because he wants this fight more than Gayweather which might also imply that Pacman is only fighting for the money on this.

[Emitdama]

I don't agree on what you have said, because Pacquaio is not known to be like that. He have reputation to protect and he's well known 8 division world champion, maybe there's part of him want to get money because who's fighter or people will not care about big purse they can get after the fight?

But for longest time he wait for this rematch to happen, so for sure that Pacquaio will do all his best to defeat Mayweather. Since this will bring another good achievement on his boxing career. Also the fight is professionally sanctioned so expect to see a more interesting fight between them.

While I agree that he was a great fighter, and he has done as well as he could while his career was still going on, dude is 47 years old, at this point we all know neither fighter is good anymore, I mean of course you can put 5 of us from here on a ring with them and they will beat us single handedly probably lol, I mean not good compared to their previous selves, like 20 years ago. This is why it's smart to realize that, win doesn't matter to them, hence why Pacman left Mayweather pick whatever. Because all they care about now is just to make as much money as possible.

[coinrifft]

And as per Ryan Garcia with regards as who has the better career.

“I feel like Manny has got the best career. Out of Floyd and that generation that they grew up on, I feel like I would rather have Pacquiao’s career.”

https://boxingnewsonline.net/news/garcia-on-better-mayweather-or-pacquiao/

Yes, I would have to agree with Garcia here, Floyd might have a perfect 50-0, but there are boxers like Rocky Marciano who retire undefeated at Heavyweight and yet many consider Ali as the greatest of that division. And there are a list of boxers who are undefeated, but no one can get close to the record that Manny set, - 8 division world champ. And if he didn't skip weight classes, it could have been more.

[Yaunfitda]

You are absolutely right about cherry picking, fixed fights or avoiding strong opponents like fire, because I cant explain how come it be so many professional boxers, so high in rating, but have 0 in loss record. As if there are lists and tops that goes parallel in same organizations. For example there are guys with 20-30 wins, 0 losses and they are all in top1-10. I find it always surprising why dont they fight between each other.

The fact that he can, is what made him do it. Mayweather for example always picked whoever was the lowest rank he could fifth, to keep his title, and then he just did exhibition fights after he "retired". The problem is that, no idea how he does it but he keeps bleeding out money.

To be fair with Floyd, he has faces great boxers in his career, although I would agree that he might have cherry pick, like a smaller Marquez or a very green Canelo Alvarez (who we haven't heard his name before).

These guys really have no idea how money is managed, not because he makes bad investments or anything like that, but he keeps spending way more than he can, and then these type of fights are becoming a must even at nearly fifty years old. If he wants to not fight some logan brother at sixty years old, then he better end up putting some aside and cutting costs and start living a bit better. Spending millions and millions a month is not a smart move.

It's no secret to sports athlete who have been getting a lot of money. They surround themselves with bad influence and so called friends who just wanted to take advantage of their riches. If only Floyd knows how to manage and even not gamble, he could live with generational wealth. Now there are reports that he is broke that's why he is coming out to fight again.