Floyd Mayweather vs. Manny Pacquiao Part II

[Fredomago]

@Sithara007. I reckon that his wealth owned in total is more than $300 million. He has Gayweather promotions, he has a boxing and fitness franchise, he has his own real estate company and he has money and other assets.

Floyd Gayweather certainly has agreed to fight Pacman because he can manipulate this and he speculates that this is very much easy money for him hehehehe.

Probably true.

It is very difficult to calculate someone's net worth (unless the individual being mentioned is Elon Musk or Mark Zuckerberg, who owns fixed percentage ownership in publicly listed companies). I would trust Forbes to some extent, but other sources are highly questionable. Whatever his current net worth is, it will change a lot by the time this fight gets completed. Mayweather is expected to earn somewhere between $220 million to $275 million from this fight. Even of his current wealth is around $300 million, it means that his wealth will increase by close to two times.

Indeed, the money will flow again as even both fighters are no longer on their primes they still have a wide range of fans who will support them, and adding to that are the gamblers and the gambling industry who for sure will also ride to this upcoming fight, though Floyd may not revealed everything but similar to what you said, after this fight surely he will gain a lot to add to that fortune and continue his luxurious lifestyle.

[Sithara007]

The point wasn't that he was close to bankruptcy, the point is that with his spending habits, and the costs of living he has, he can't sustain until he retires fully. So he can't retire, because he needs to keep making money, so even though he is nearing 50 years old, he is still doing exhibition fights like these to keep making money.

A smart person would invest into things that would grow his fortune, he spends it on silly stuff to end up with basically nothing eventually. He can't stop, he can't keep spending same amount without earning, so he has to keep fighting. I bet you that he will have fights after this one too.

Agreed on this. Mayweather is notoriously famous for his luxurious lifestyle. And the same can be said about various other athletes as well. The best example that comes to my mind is Mike Tyson. At his prime, he was one of the highest earning athletes in the world. But a few years into his retirement, he declared bankruptcy. Tyson even attempted to act in porn films, so that he could stay afloat. BTW, does anyone know what happened to the proposed Mike Tyson vs Floyd Mayweather Jr. match? It was supposed to happen next month, to be hosted in the Democratic Republic of Congo. 

[Ishicryptic]

The point wasn't that he was close to bankruptcy, the point is that with his spending habits, and the costs of living he has, he can't sustain until he retires fully. So he can't retire, because he needs to keep making money, so even though he is nearing 50 years old, he is still doing exhibition fights like these to keep making money.

A smart person would invest into things that would grow his fortune, he spends it on silly stuff to end up with basically nothing eventually. He can't stop, he can't keep spending same amount without earning, so he has to keep fighting. I bet you that he will have fights after this one too.

Agreed on this. Mayweather is notoriously famous for his luxurious lifestyle. And the same can be said about various other athletes as well. The best example that comes to my mind is Mike Tyson. At his prime, he was one of the highest earning athletes in the world. But a few years into his retirement, he declared bankruptcy. Tyson even attempted to act in porn films, so that he could stay afloat. BTW, does anyone know what happened to the proposed Mike Tyson vs Floyd Mayweather Jr. match? It was supposed to happen next month, to be hosted in the Democratic Republic of Congo. 

I quite agree that the reason why many top athletes makes comebacks after retirement is not so much about the love that they have for the games that they spent all their prime years on, it is mostly about the money. I think that it is easier to become very rich than staying very rich, if you cannot sustain the lifestyles of the very rich you will start grumbling to bankruptcy. Mayweather, is renowned for extravagant lifestyles, I ones saw on a clip where he was showcasing I think it was many rolceroyce of the same color in his garage, I thought it was massively insane. Whatever him and Pacquiao, are fighting for when they are supposed to be enjoying their retirements I hope it'll be worth it for them, as for their fans I believe that they just want to have fun nothing more.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

The point wasn't that he was close to bankruptcy, the point is that with his spending habits, and the costs of living he has, he can't sustain until he retires fully. So he can't retire, because he needs to keep making money, so even though he is nearing 50 years old, he is still doing exhibition fights like these to keep making money.

A smart person would invest into things that would grow his fortune, he spends it on silly stuff to end up with basically nothing eventually. He can't stop, he can't keep spending same amount without earning, so he has to keep fighting. I bet you that he will have fights after this one too.

Agreed on this. Mayweather is notoriously famous for his luxurious lifestyle. And the same can be said about various other athletes as well. The best example that comes to my mind is Mike Tyson. At his prime, he was one of the highest earning athletes in the world. But a few years into his retirement, he declared bankruptcy. Tyson even attempted to act in porn films, so that he could stay afloat. BTW, does anyone know what happened to the proposed Mike Tyson vs Floyd Mayweather Jr. match? It was supposed to happen next month, to be hosted in the Democratic Republic of Congo. 

According to Dan Rafael, a well respected boxing expert:



https://x.com/DanRafael1/status/2029058733360169255

And I suspect that Mike Tyson might be also suffering some king of injuries as well. But in any case, Floyd might go with the plan fight with Manny first if everything didn't sit well with the Tyson fight.

[freedomgo]

https://x.com/DanRafael1/status/2029058733360169255

And I suspect that Mike Tyson might be also suffering some king of injuries as well. But in any case, Floyd might go with the plan fight with Manny first if everything didn't sit well with the Tyson fight.

There’s really no need for Mayweather to fight Tyson now that Pacquiao is back, because those two are more evenly matched, and this rematch is what people have been hoping to see finally happen. If Mayweather fights Tyson and wins, people will just say it’s because Mike is already old. But if he beats Pacquiao convincingly, that could finally settle the debate on who’s better between them. So he should just focus on training and give us a truly entertaining fight to watch.

[Sithara007]

https://x.com/DanRafael1/status/2029058733360169255

And I suspect that Mike Tyson might be also suffering some king of injuries as well. But in any case, Floyd might go with the plan fight with Manny first if everything didn't sit well with the Tyson fight.

There’s really no need for Mayweather to fight Tyson now that Pacquiao is back, because those two are more evenly matched, and this rematch is what people have been hoping to see finally happen. If Mayweather fights Tyson and wins, people will just say it’s because Mike is already old. But if he beats Pacquiao convincingly, that could finally settle the debate on who’s better between them. So he should just focus on training and give us a truly entertaining fight to watch.

The Mayweather vs Pacquiao debate was already settled long back in 2015 at the MGM Grand Garden Arena. Mayweather won that fight fair and square, and the debate ended there itself. It was not like the GGG vs Canelo fight trilogy, where the first fight ended in a draw and the second fight was controversially won by Canelo Alvarez. On the other hand, we have never seen Mike Tyson fighting Floyd Mayweather. There will be a lot of interest in that fight as well, if it goes ahead as planned. But from what I have heard, Tyson's health condition is not really good at the moment.

[dezoel]

I am sure that if we asked any of you today if you would fight for a lot of money, you would say yes too, it is not really that different for these people, sure they have money but that doesn't mean they are inclined to say no to more money.

I just checked, and there is an estimated 200-250 million to made from this, and I do not know which one will take how much but that is looking like the situation at hand. When you have something that big, saying no makes no sense. It doesn't matter which one has how much.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

https://x.com/DanRafael1/status/2029058733360169255

And I suspect that Mike Tyson might be also suffering some king of injuries as well. But in any case, Floyd might go with the plan fight with Manny first if everything didn't sit well with the Tyson fight.

There’s really no need for Mayweather to fight Tyson now that Pacquiao is back, because those two are more evenly matched, and this rematch is what people have been hoping to see finally happen. If Mayweather fights Tyson and wins, people will just say it’s because Mike is already old. But if he beats Pacquiao convincingly, that could finally settle the debate on who’s better between them. So he should just focus on training and give us a truly entertaining fight to watch.

Remember that it was supposedly Tyson vs Floyd first, not Manny vs Floyd. So you can't say that we don't need to see Tyson vs Mayweather as it was scheduled already. And it was the plan before Manny and Floyd fight, it's a pre-fight to see how this two are. Heck, even Manny has a fight with Provodnikov, remember.

And we say that Floyd needs money, so what a way for him to make easy with a Mike Tyson fight, probably easy $20 million guarantee money. As for the Manny fight, it's the same reasons debate for what better between Manny and Floyd?

It has been settled already, Manny Pacquiao, 8th division champion, Fighter of the Decade (2000s) by the Boxing Writers Association of America.

[bhadz]

I am sure that if we asked any of you today if you would fight for a lot of money, you would say yes too, it is not really that different for these people, sure they have money but that doesn't mean they are inclined to say no to more money.

I just checked, and there is an estimated 200-250 million to made from this, and I do not know which one will take how much but that is looking like the situation at hand. When you have something that big, saying no makes no sense. It doesn't matter which one has how much.

Usually with these fights involving the two, it's always been Floyd that takes the bigger slice of the cake. He's always the one who has dictating how much he should get in there because he knows that people wants to see him fight against Pacquiao. And it won't matter to him whatever is their opinion for as long as he's getting the cash. But if this is going to be a 50:50 share then that's good for the first time he'd take that although I won't think that's possible to happen.

[TopT3ns]

Usually with these fights involving the two, it's always been Floyd that takes the bigger slice of the cake. He's always the one who has dictating how much he should get in there because he knows that people wants to see him fight against Pacquiao. And it won't matter to him whatever is their opinion for as long as he's getting the cash. But if this is going to be a 50:50 share then that's good for the first time he'd take that although I won't think that's possible to happen.

Floyd is a real king of the boxing ring and he is well aware of the market he commands. He will still be able to restrict the flow of the money as long as the audience remains interested in seeing him fight with Pacquiao. It might not be prestige first to him, provided that his bank account is bigger after the fight. This can be heard to be a totally fair distribution but it is not about to occur in the easiest fashion, given Floyd’s egoism and business expertise.

[bhadz]

Usually with these fights involving the two, it's always been Floyd that takes the bigger slice of the cake. He's always the one who has dictating how much he should get in there because he knows that people wants to see him fight against Pacquiao. And it won't matter to him whatever is their opinion for as long as he's getting the cash. But if this is going to be a 50:50 share then that's good for the first time he'd take that although I won't think that's possible to happen.

Floyd is a real king of the boxing ring and he is well aware of the market he commands. He will still be able to restrict the flow of the money as long as the audience remains interested in seeing him fight with Pacquiao. It might not be prestige first to him, provided that his bank account is bigger after the fight. This can be heard to be a totally fair distribution but it is not about to occur in the easiest fashion, given Floyd’s egoism and business expertise.

Yeah, that's true and I have to agree on that one. King or however he's called, he sure can dictate the flow and how much should he ask from the organizers. That's a known business thing for him and he's on the advantage here since he's the one being asked for the fight. While Manny, he's said that he's always willing to go for a fight with Floyd. So, if Floyd declines it then he knows that the organizers can give him the benefits that he's asking and the amount of share that he likes to get after this fight.

[STT]

Tyson if he was smart would move to Europe get citizenship, get some decent health coverage while he can, he very likely has a heart condition that will end up killing him especially if he continues to fight and train at the level where he is putting stress on his health.
   I can see both of them proceeding with a fight if its profitable, who would turn away the money but in Tyson's case based on what he said previous about near death experience he should be retired already.

This time in life they should be invested their cash into business, managing others not themselves.  If they cant run a business just holding index fund would be enough, go fishing and chill and enjoy the peace.   Like Schumacher the racing driver, I see a common theme that in high risk sports they dont know how to stop themselves ever, it breaks them.
   Seems they only know one tune to play until it wears out the strings.  Smart would be to use your knowledge not your fists, plenty of young fighters could be promoted instead.

[Sithara007]

Tyson if he was smart would move to Europe get citizenship, get some decent health coverage while he can, he very likely has a heart condition that will end up killing him especially if he continues to fight and train at the level where he is putting stress on his health.
   I can see both of them proceeding with a fight if its profitable, who would turn away the money but in Tyson's case based on what he said previous about near death experience he should be retired already.

This time in life they should be invested their cash into business, managing others not themselves.  If they cant run a business just holding index fund would be enough, go fishing and chill and enjoy the peace.   Like Schumacher the racing driver, I see a common theme that in high risk sports they dont know how to stop themselves ever, it breaks them.
   Seems they only know one tune to play until it wears out the strings.  Smart would be to use your knowledge not your fists, plenty of young fighters could be promoted instead.

I am not sure about Tyson's net wealth. I guess it will be at least a few tens of millions of USD. Given this, he will be better off in the United States. The tax rates in Europe are insane. He will end up halving his net wealth in as little as 5 years. Europe has excellent healthcare, but Tyson can afford costly healthcare in the US. BTW, I don't think that it is the training that is killing him. He needs to get rid of his bad habits, and if he can do that it will improve his health. But in today's world, no amount of cash can secure your retirement 100%. Stock markets are down and fiat currencies are losing their value steeply. We are running out of reliable options to store our money.

[Dave1]

If you guys forget about this:

Although Floyd Mayweather Jr. made hundreds of millions of dollars during his professional boxing career and topped the Forbes list as the highest-paid athlete from 2012 to 2014, the boxer said he has been shortchanged and filed a multimillion-dollar lawsuit against Showtime.

The lawsuit, filed Tuesday and obtained by ESPN, seeks to "recover hundreds of millions of dollars in misappropriated funds and damages resulting from a long-running and elaborate scheme of financial fraud, breaches of fiduciary duty, and conspiracy orchestrated by Floyd J. Mayweather's former manager and advisor, Al Haymon, with the knowing and substantial participation and aid of Defendants Showtime Networks Inc. and Stephen Espinoza, among others."

Mayweather, 48, says he is owed "at least" $340 million and cites a "complex web of hidden accounts, unauthorized transactions and deliberate concealment of financial records" as the reason he believes he has been defrauded from those funds.

https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/47830215/floyd-mayweather-jr-sues-show-owed-least-340m

And this news might really reinforce our belief that Floyd bank account is draining as he has sued Showtime and his long time manager Al Haymon, who we all know is one of the most powerful manager in boxing until HE Turk comes into the picture.

[Sithara007]

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And this news might really reinforce our belief that Floyd bank account is draining as he has sued Showtime and his long time manager Al Haymon, who we all know is one of the most powerful manager in boxing until HE Turk comes into the picture.

Let's hear from the other side as well. Haymon is a mysterious figure and he has never given a media interview. There is a good chance that Haymon may have defrauded Mayweather, but it is also possible at the same time that Mayweather lost the majority of his assets due to his carelessness and squandering. And why Mayweather is suing now, almost a decade after he retired? He realized the fraud only now? It is a bit difficult to believe. BTW, neutral figures such as Adrien Broner have thrown their weight behind Haymon. Let the lawsuit takes it lawful course and all we can do is to sit back and watch as the drama unfold.

[fullfitlarry]

Tyson if he was smart would move to Europe get citizenship, get some decent health coverage while he can, he very likely has a heart condition that will end up killing him especially if he continues to fight and train at the level where he is putting stress on his health.
   I can see both of them proceeding with a fight if its profitable, who would turn away the money but in Tyson's case based on what he said previous about near death experience he should be retired already.

This time in life they should be invested their cash into business, managing others not themselves.  If they cant run a business just holding index fund would be enough, go fishing and chill and enjoy the peace.   Like Schumacher the racing driver, I see a common theme that in high risk sports they dont know how to stop themselves ever, it breaks them.
   Seems they only know one tune to play until it wears out the strings.  Smart would be to use your knowledge not your fists, plenty of young fighters could be promoted instead.

I am not sure about Tyson's net wealth. I guess it will be at least a few tens of millions of USD. Given this, he will be better off in the United States. The tax rates in Europe are insane. He will end up halving his net wealth in as little as 5 years. Europe has excellent healthcare, but Tyson can afford costly healthcare in the US. BTW, I don't think that it is the training that is killing him. He needs to get rid of his bad habits, and if he can do that it will improve his health. But in today's world, no amount of cash can secure your retirement 100%. Stock markets are down and fiat currencies are losing their value steeply. We are running out of reliable options to store our money.

Most likely the bad habits that he has done when he was young was catching up with him. That's why even at his age, if we compare to ordinary people, he is still young but there are signs that it is deteriorating already because of the abuse he has done in his body when he was in his prime years.

I think the fight with Jake Paul is enough for Mike Tyson so just go over his money problems as the reports says he got $20 million pay check on that fight alone. So in the US it's already big money. So good for Mike to still earn but he needs to take care of his health first.

[FinneysTrueVision]

Let's hear from the other side as well. Haymon is a mysterious figure and he has never given a media interview. There is a good chance that Haymon may have defrauded Mayweather, but it is also possible at the same time that Mayweather lost the majority of his assets due to his carelessness and squandering. And why Mayweather is suing now, almost a decade after he retired? He realized the fraud only now? It is a bit difficult to believe. BTW, neutral figures such as Adrien Broner have thrown their weight behind Haymon. Let the lawsuit takes it lawful course and all we can do is to sit back and watch as the drama unfold.

The biggest reason why people don’t like Al Haymon is because his fighters were getting paid too much money for fights that nobody wanted to watch. Broner is a great example, and you can also look at the careers of Deontay Wilder, Tank Davis and the Charlo brothers. They might have won world titles and had nice records, but they were always carefully protected. He was terrible for the sport in several ways, but he always got his fighters paid, usually above their fair market value. I don’t see Mayweather’s allegations that Haymon stole money from him holding up in court.

[coinrifft]

Let's hear from the other side as well. Haymon is a mysterious figure and he has never given a media interview. There is a good chance that Haymon may have defrauded Mayweather, but it is also possible at the same time that Mayweather lost the majority of his assets due to his carelessness and squandering. And why Mayweather is suing now, almost a decade after he retired? He realized the fraud only now? It is a bit difficult to believe. BTW, neutral figures such as Adrien Broner have thrown their weight behind Haymon. Let the lawsuit takes it lawful course and all we can do is to sit back and watch as the drama unfold.

The biggest reason why people don’t like Al Haymon is because his fighters were getting paid too much money for fights that nobody wanted to watch. Broner is a great example, and you can also look at the careers of Deontay Wilder, Tank Davis and the Charlo brothers. They might have won world titles and had nice records, but they were always carefully protected. He was terrible for the sport in several ways, but he always got his fighters paid, usually above their fair market value. I don’t see Mayweather’s allegations that Haymon stole money from him holding up in court.

Right, that's why Al Haymon is not beloved by his enemies like Bob Arum or even Oscar Dela Hoya. But it's really surprising that Floyd include Haymon in case that the news is true. But for boxers under him, it might be that they really respect the guy for bringing them fights and obviously for the money as well. Could be that Al are making a lot of cuts but that's how business is. For Floyd, it might be too late to bring his case on the court though, why now? why after so many years of working with Al suddenly he thinks that Haymon stole money from him? Something is not adding right here and it could be true that Floyd doesn't have the money anymore.

[bbc.reporter]

@Sithara007. I reckon that his wealth owned in total is more than $300 million. He has Gayweather promotions, he has a boxing and fitness franchise, he has his own real estate company and he has money and other assets.

Floyd Gayweather certainly has agreed to fight Pacman because he can manipulate this and he speculates that this is very much easy money for him hehehehe.

Probably true.

It is very difficult to calculate someone's net worth (unless the individual being mentioned is Elon Musk or Mark Zuckerberg, who owns fixed percentage ownership in publicly listed companies). I would trust Forbes to some extent, but other sources are highly questionable. Whatever his current net worth is, it will change a lot by the time this fight gets completed. Mayweather is expected to earn somewhere between $220 million to $275 million from this fight. Even of his current wealth is around $300 million, it means that his wealth will increase by close to two times.

However, your argument before is he was accepting this fight because he needs money, implying that he is bankrupt. This is headshaking and this is similar to the speculations that Pacman is also bankrupt because he is spending too much money.

How can a person who has become a politician become bankrupt. I am not declaring that Pacman is a corrupt politician, however, where can we find a politician who is not corrupt hehehehe.

[Dave1]

^^ Not sure about Manny, but Floyd's issue has been in the internet since the start of this fight. And who knows, if there is smoke then there is fire. On the other hand, Manny might be spending his money too, but not as flamboyant as Floyd.

And the exchange rate of PH Peso to USD is very much big. So even if Manny throws millions in Pesos, it might not hurt his bank account as compare to Floyd using millions of dollars just to continue with his extravagant lifestyle that sooner or later your bank account is depleting already.