Rename the Scam Accusations board to "Casino Complaints Department"

[xLays]

What I’m feeling right now is that bitcointalk isn’t more on about bitcoin discussions anymore. Even without checking statistics, most posts and replies are to be gambling related.
You guys can check it here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=unread
Ngl it’s starting to feel like online casino hub rather than pure bitcoin forum. lol

Well creating separate sub board for casino problems/ scam accusations under gambling section makes sense. At least non gambling scam reports won’t get buried. I wouldn’t be surprised if someday gamble board faces strict changes too, similar to what happened to service board regarding bitcoin mixers.

[Mrbluntzy]

What you are suggesting is very okay to be implemented, in my opinion. The scam accusation board has rules and guidelines for reporting a scam case but some of the threads created there do not qualified to be called a scam accusation because it didn't follow the right approach of reporting a scam. Some of the people that reports a casino without providing reasonable proofs could be scammers on their own just looking for a way to condemn the reputation of another casino. They should have a seperate board on the gambling section for such complaint. That's my two cent.

[Ronsbit]

This is an absolutely nice idea, frankly speaking, but the scam accusation thread already existing covers all the scam reports on this platform, but it seems only casino scam reports are much more than the others because casinos are the major advertisers here on this platform compared to other organisations although it would be nice to have their own scam accussations board because ther cases would be handled while making representatives are notified and also invited to come defend their organisations reported on the casino scam board. I believe this would make more sense if implemented.

[SeriouslyGiveaway]

What I’m feeling right now is that bitcointalk isn’t more on about bitcoin discussions anymore. Even without checking statistics, most posts and replies are to be gambling related.
You guys can check it here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=unread
Ngl it’s starting to feel like online casino hub rather than pure bitcoin forum. lol

With the list of most active posters in the last 24 hours, last 7 days, you see most active posters are in gambling company and we know what company it is.
https://loyce.club/active/
https://loyce.club/active/7d.html

it seems only casino scam reports are much more than the others because casinos are the major advertisers here on this platform compared to other organisations

It's not the reason, and the reason is it is easily to make fake and invalid accusations against casinos so people simply try to do with accusations for damaging casino reputation and getting their money back or exploiting casinos more.

[Abelly]

There is hardly a genuine newbie who will locate the scam accusation board and reputation board without being referred or directed on how to get there. Yet, the newbies are the most victims of scam.

Newbies are most vulnerable to scam by lack of knowledge and experience about technology and scam methods used by scammers but it does not mean that all newbies who post in scam accusations are actual newbies.

They possibly are not newbies but only use newbie accounts to post such accusations, while we already know most accusations are like non sense complaints and invalid after investigations. Not all of them, but I believe most of them know what they're doing and want to use newbie accounts for avoiding any tags, trust feedbacks on their main accounts.

I surely don't exclude the chance of people who are not forum members but only know about this forum, join it when they have something to complain about a casino that has an announcement thread here.

Complaints are made using new accounts, especially when there is a risk of negative trust or tagging the main account, but here we have to be careful not to go into this simple equation of new accounts being Fake complaints...

★The quality of evidence is the real issue  whether the complainant is new or old is of secondary importance, the evidence is the evidence, Transaction ID, Chat log, bet history, screenshots, etc. If there is solid evidence, it is not right to dismiss the complaint based on the age of the account...

★The possibility of abuse is real  some users may really use alt accounts to create pressure, damage reputation or try to blackmail, so impartiality in the Investigation is important...

★A balance is needed for the sake of the forum  just as false complaints are harmful, ignoring real victims under suspicion of alt is Equally harmful...

By asking for standard information in the complaint thread, mandating following a specific format, and strengthening community based verification, fake cases will be quickly eliminated and genuine cases will gain importance.  Mandating a Specific format for requesting standard information in complaint threads and strengthening community based verification will help weed out fake cases quickly, while giving importance to genuine cases. The focus should not be on the identity of the comPlainant but on the evidence presented and behavioral patterns. This will protect the credibility of the forum in the long run.

[CONVOAI]

I agree with you. Creating a separate sub board makes sense and it keeps the two types of complaints separate and makes moderation easier and makes posts from real victims more visible. However, simply splitting the board won't solve the problem and unless there is a clear distinction between rules breaking disputes and real fraud allegations otherwise the new sub board could slowly become the same. Many users do not care about casino terms and conditions.

[knowngunman]

The casinos in this forum are not the only ones that do have issues with players, I was scrolling on TikTok and one user was complaining that he won a significant amount of money and the casino close his account alleged that he has a multiple account and has directed him to withdraw his money. To me, it's a fair deal, accused of multiple accounts and voluntary request you withdraw your winning and didn't nullify your winning seems a fair deal to me but he was dragging the casino, the thing is not everyone will be satisfy but this doesn't justify casino that offer bad service, transparency is everything.

What? This is my first time hearing that a casino instruct a customer to withdraw their money after being caught using multiple accounts. Most gambling platforms I know will never allowed you to make a withdrawal once you have issue with them especially if it involves breaking their rules like operating multiple accounts. They can not be blamed even if they choose to withhold your winnings because it's usually stated in their terms and conditions.

Look at this example from a popular sportbet platform in Nigeria.

1.6 Customers may open only one SportyBet account. Should we identify any customer with more than one account ("Duplicate Account"), we reserve the right to close or suspend such customer and we shall also be entitled to withhold and/or retain any and all amounts which would otherwise have been paid or payable to you (including any winnings or bonus payments). For the purpose of this clause and/or any other clause herein provided, any account(s) which we have reason to believe was created or being operated by you in addition to an already existing account (whether or not the existing account is active, frozen, temporarily or permanently suspended, including but not limited to self-exclusion) shall be deemed a Duplicate Account and the penalty in the preceding paragraph shall automatically apply without recourse to you.

I wish there is more way such cases can be handled. If only it's possible to verify scam accusations so the forum doesn't have to wait for representative to decide what's going on. Sometimes when you visit their profile, not all are active here and it's hard to judge such cases but rather than allowed such to happen, I think people should avoid casino that has poor customers support on the forum.

I have observed the same thing and it doesn't make sense honestly. If they choose to advertise here, they should have active representative to handle community concerns when necessary. It won't cost them that much to have a representative here just like any other social platforms.

[The Cryptovator]

I pretty much agree with you; there are almost all the accusations against gambling platforms. Because of people being scammed by casinos lately and other scams being less common or not being found. But creating another child board like investigation wouldn't help reduce scam. It's all about separating the varieties of scams. But I don't think it's necessary; then the main board will look like an investigation board, and the gambling scam accusations will be full.

We can't create a separate board for each category. We should learn, as you said, gambling sites are here to cut your pocket, not to fill.

[Rikafip]

Sound suggestion.

After all, isn’t that the standard requirement for opening a dedicated child board, when one specific kind of topic dominates the current board? That's exactly what has been happening in the Scam Accusation board.

[TokenTikas]

What I’m feeling right now is that bitcointalk isn’t more on about bitcoin discussions anymore. Even without checking statistics, most posts and replies are to be gambling related.

The main reason this happens is that many campaigns have mandatory tasks that require posting in the casino section. Most of the people in this forum are involved in different kinds of campaigns, so they have to post in various sections to complete their campaign tasks. Because of that, discussions related to bitcoin are seen less often. Compared to other threads, the number of posts in the bitcoin discussion thread is usually a bit lower.

Complaints are made using new accounts, especially when there is a risk of negative trust or tagging the main account, but here we have to be careful not to go into this simple equation of new accounts being Fake complaints...

Seeing the complaints made by many new accounts sometimes makes it look surprising how they can report things so accurately when they have just created their accounts. It often feels like they may not actually be new users, but rather old members who opened new accounts to make reports. However, we should not assume that every new account belongs to an old user because many people truly start as newbies and are still learning as they go.

[Nathrixxx]

To say the fact, going to the scam accusation board, most of the threads we are going to find out being created are on casino scam accusations, which I still don't understand why there is much of this even than the normal crypto related scam accusation cases we should be reporting, we also have that of scam site that are non gambling platforms, but you will only see members reporting such platforms occasionally for scam.

I think there is a need for more emphasis that anything that has to do with scam related issue does not have to be limited only to gambling, others as well should be reported on the scam accusation board, we are not saying this to discourage those that have been reporting scam gambling platforms because they have been cheated, moreover, most of this casino accusations are not even genuine because they are not fault resulting from the casino, but gamblers instead.

[Ultegra134]

What I’m feeling right now is that bitcointalk isn’t more on about bitcoin discussions anymore. Even without checking statistics, most posts and replies are to be gambling related.
You guys can check it here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=unread
Ngl it’s starting to feel like online casino hub rather than pure bitcoin forum. lol

Well creating separate sub board for casino problems/ scam accusations under gambling section makes sense. At least non gambling scam reports won’t get buried. I wouldn’t be surprised if someday gamble board faces strict changes too, similar to what happened to service board regarding bitcoin mixers.

There's certainly a great audience for gambling, multiple sports, leagues, etc. and the larger inflow of people using cryptocurrency casinos instead of a regulated ones has affected. The other, and in my opinion, is cause of some signature campaign quota. I remember some campaigns had as much as 10 posts per week, or provided bonuses for posts in the gambling section (and we were seeing over 60 to 80 posts from a large number of users of said campaign).

This is a strong indication that action should be taken to "separate" topics that are gambling related. What @DireWolfM14 mentioned is extremely accurate, with the majority of accusations being regarding casinos, mostly from new or controversial accounts. Not only is the scam accusation board flooded with such complaints, but also actual scam accusations towards members of this forum might be missed or go unnoticed due to the extravagant amount of such topics.

[KingsDen]

There is hardly a genuine newbie who will locate the scam accusation board and reputation board without being referred or directed on how to get there. Yet, the newbies are the most victims of scam.

Newbies are most vulnerable to scam by lack of knowledge and experience about technology and scam methods used by scammers but it does not mean that all newbies who post in scam accusations are actual newbies.

Complaints are made using new accounts, especially when there is a risk of negative trust or tagging the main account, but here we have to be careful not to go into this simple equation of new accounts being Fake complaints...

What should be the reasons an established member who ran into troubles with a casino will decide to make a new account to complain. I mean if I make a complaint with my account, my matter would be taken seriously and facilitated. Why making a new account to complain?

Meanwhile, don't tell me that some people who didn't lose money can intentionally makeup stories to defraud casinos. Will this even be successful?

Sound suggestion.

After all, isn’t that the standard requirement for opening a dedicated child board, when one specific kind of topic dominates the current board? That's exactly what has been happening in the Scam Accusation board.

I agree, but on the contrary, the question could be; does the numerous gambling complaints affect the accusations from other boards?

[Ronsbit]

it seems only casino scam reports are much more than the others because casinos are the major advertisers here on this platform compared to other organisations

It's not the reason, and the reason is it is easily to make fake and invalid accusations against casinos so people simply try to do with accusations for damaging casino reputation and getting their money back or exploiting casinos more.

It is not a new thing that players regularly accuse casinos of wrongdoing when they are at fault, but just to blackmail casinos to get back their money and go away, tarnishing the reputation of the casino, and we have seen such cases here on this platform where new accounts create threads and do them dirty and disappear.

[Jaweria parveen]

It is not a new thing that players regularly accuse casinos of wrongdoing when they are at fault, but just to blackmail casinos to get back their money and go away, tarnishing the reputation of the casino, and we have seen such cases here on this platform where new accounts create threads and do them dirty and disappear.

There are many people like this who blame others for their own mistakes, but in the end it is a loss for them, although it can also hinder someone's future progress and promotion, which can happen due to the wrong thinking or action of any member. Obviously, other people will also do such things and will repeatedly use the casino for their own purposes, and this also damages their casino and the thinking with which they come here also damages their purpose, due to which they are not able to start it. This is wrong and I do not understand why they do this, when most of them do not have any mistakes, but for this they try to thwart its success by creating flaws. Action should be taken against them, but when they come from a new account, mostly the only way to deal with them is with negative trust.

[Easteregg69]

Some really believe they have found a source of income when they try it first. Like mining house coins.

I go for beers. Guys.

[DaveF]

Something I posted about 2 1/2 years ago:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5470347

Did not seem to get a lot of traction then.
Perhaps now it will if more people advocate for it.

-Dave

[Ronsbit]

It is not a new thing that players regularly accuse casinos of wrongdoing when they are at fault, but just to blackmail casinos to get back their money and go away, tarnishing the reputation of the casino, and we have seen such cases here on this platform where new accounts create threads and do them dirty and disappear.

There are many people like this who blame others for their own mistakes, but in the end it is a loss for them, although it can also hinder someone's future progress and promotion, which can happen due to the wrong thinking or action of any member. Obviously, other people will also do such things and will repeatedly use the casino for their own purposes, and this also damages their casino and the thinking with which they come here also damages their purpose, due to which they are not able to start it. This is wrong and I do not understand why they do this, when most of them do not have any mistakes, but for this they try to thwart its success by creating flaws. Action should be taken against them, but when they come from a new account, mostly the only way to deal with them is with negative trust.

This is the reasons why most times majority of the people doing this are members who have good accounts but would not to use it because they are afraid they would be lashed for calling out a casino with no evidence. They know this too well and they create new account to tarnish the reputation of casino's