f*D presents Event Horizon

[anonymousminer]

The hologram typo is indeed an error.

~snip~

That said, I am considering stepping away from this forum, as I have experienced a level of hatred and harshness that I do not feel I deserve, nor do I believe anyone does.

The fact of the matter is you can't handle honest criticism and as a maker you have a responsibility to your customers to get it right.  Why do you believe the multiple mistakes displayed and the once a week releases don't deserve criticism?  I said to you months ago to slow down... do better quality control... I got shit from your cronies for being critical.  Go figure... here we are again with another OBVIOUS mistake that a maker with ANY quality control would have caught and then could have been released as errors.  The way this comes off is incompetent.  The reason this is important is now you want people to trust your key generation when you have proven that you don't even have the quality control to handle the basics of coin making.  

Extra credit question OP... why so quick to rush out all the new work and having the VAST majority with your key generation when you were widely known as the go to DIY maker before your semi recent return?

[MoparMiningLLC]

it appears to be these coins are also affected by the error holograms:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5572925.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5572304.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5572082.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5571994.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5571777.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5571032.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5570837.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5570198.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5568370.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5568590.0

if FiniteByDesign can confirm if these are the only ones or if there are others.  Thanks!

[howardsentell]

Unfortunately I have noticed other creators in the friend group or business collaborations making mistakes and getting a pass. Can you explain why these creators get a pass? Now we have lost another creator. How many have left the forum because of this behavior? I understand scamming but two missing letters in a design are irrelevant and can result in value.

[OgNasty]

That said, I am considering stepping away from this forum, as I have experienced a level of hatred and harshness that I do not feel I deserve, nor do I believe anyone does.

The toxic environment for coin makers here is nothing new. It is why I haven’t released anything in more than half a decade. As a maker, at some point you begin to wonder if the community will ever change, but I’ve only seen it get worse with each passing year. Probably why not a single innovation has happened to this collectibles market in at least a decade while coin premiums and quality have only gotten worse with scams being more frequent. This is a trend that isn’t slowing.

[howardsentell]

it appears to be these coins are also affected by the error holograms:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5572925.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5572304.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5572082.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5571994.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5571777.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5571032.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5570837.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5570198.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5568370.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5568590.0

if FiniteByDesign can confirm if these are the only ones or if there are others.  Thanks!

Thanks for your hard work mo.

[hybridsole]

That said, I am considering stepping away from this forum, as I have experienced a level of hatred and harshness that I do not feel I deserve, nor do I believe anyone does.

The toxic environment for coin makers here is nothing new. It is why I haven’t released anything in more than half a decade. As a maker, at some point you begin to wonder if the community will ever change, but I’ve only seen it get worse with each passing year. Probably why not a single innovation has happened to this collectibles market in at least a decade while coin premiums and quality have only gotten worse with scams being more frequent. This is a trend that isn’t slowing.

Do you think that the community should not hold coin makers to a higher standard, when we've seen repeated instances of rug pulls, botched keys, using malware-laced keygen tools?  I guess we should just allow newbies to get scammed again and again, because we wouldn't want any new makers to feel any harshness or criticism while they peddle their terrible products here.  


Also, I just realized these were coins with the private key applied , and not DIY.  As mopar has shown, this error was not caught on 10+ releases so far. 



I noticed this within 2 seconds of seeing this picture that not just one word was misspelled, but two. The maker had no idea, and yet somehow managed to correctly generate and apply private keys to each of these 10+ releases with these holograms?  Good luck to anyone storing funds on these coins.. 

 

[2stout]

Unfortunately I have noticed other creators in the friend group or business collaborations making mistakes and getting a pass. Can you explain why these creators get a pass? Now we have lost another creator. How many have left the forum because of this? I understand scamming but two missing letters in a design are irrelevant and can result in value.

1)  Please provide examples.
2)  F*D said he was considering, meaning a final decision hasn't been made yet.
3)  It's not irrelevant and to say it is, is giving dogma, esp when at the time the issue had not been addressed.  2 missing letters seem innocuous and perhaps so, but nonetheless it still needs to be addressed, which seems to have been.  Why is this is questioned?  Because it can bring up QC questions.  Again, this seems to now have been addressed.

[howardsentell]

Unfortunately I have noticed other creators in the friend group or business collaborations making mistakes and getting a pass. Can you explain why these creators get a pass? Now we have lost another creator. How many have left the forum because of this? I understand scamming but two missing letters in a design are irrelevant and can result in value.

1)  Please provide examples.
2)  F*D said he was considering, meaning a final decision hasn't been made yet.
3)  It's not irrelevant and to say it is, is giving dogma, esp when at the time the issue had not been addressed.  2 missing letters seem innocuous and perhaps so, but nonetheless it still needs to be addressed, which seems to have been.  Why is this is questioned?  Because it can bring up QC questions.  Again, this seems to now have been addressed.

I am not here to criticize or destroy reputations. If you work for someone  would you rather have that person talk to you directly or shout at you over a loudspeaker? I want to motivate creators to do well.

That said, I am considering stepping away from this forum, as I have experienced a level of hatred and harshness that I do not feel I deserve, nor do I believe anyone does.

The toxic environment for coin makers here is nothing new. It is why I haven’t released anything in more than half a decade. As a maker, at some point you begin to wonder if the community will ever change, but I’ve only seen it get worse with each passing year. Probably why not a single innovation has happened to this collectibles market in at least a decade while coin premiums and quality have only gotten worse with scams being more frequent. This is a trend that isn’t slowing.

Do you think that the community should not hold coin makers to a higher standard, when we've seen repeated instances of rug pulls, botched keys, using malware-laced keygen tools?  I guess we should just allow newbies to get scammed again and again, because we wouldn't want any new makers to feel any harshness or criticism while they peddle their terrible products here.  


Also, I just realized these were coins with the private key applied , and not DIY.  As mopar has shown, this error was not caught on 10+ releases so far.  



I noticed this within 2 seconds of seeing this picture that not just one word was misspelled, but two. The maker had no idea, and yet somehow managed to correctly generate and apply private keys to each of these 10+ releases with these holograms?  Good luck to anyone storing funds on these coins..  

 

Do you think we should hold you to a higher standard? Do you want your posts to be called out and critiqued? Are you labeling genuine creators as scammers? I see some self proclaimed heroes accusing others of being scammers when basic common sense applies. Why do you and other members believe that shielding the forum from common sense is beneficial? I see that as a form of control.


Luke 6:31 Do the good things for other people that you would want them to do for you.

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[OgNasty]

That said, I am considering stepping away from this forum, as I have experienced a level of hatred and harshness that I do not feel I deserve, nor do I believe anyone does.

The toxic environment for coin makers here is nothing new. It is why I haven’t released anything in more than half a decade. As a maker, at some point you begin to wonder if the community will ever change, but I’ve only seen it get worse with each passing year. Probably why not a single innovation has happened to this collectibles market in at least a decade while coin premiums and quality have only gotten worse with scams being more frequent. This is a trend that isn’t slowing.

Do you think that the community should not hold coin makers to a higher standard, when we've seen repeated instances of rug pulls, botched keys, using malware-laced keygen tools?  I guess we should just allow newbies to get scammed again and again, because we wouldn't want any new makers to feel any harshness or criticism while they peddle their terrible products here.  

Hold to a higher standard? What is the standard? I’m genuinely curious what maker here is viewed by the community as meeting the standard. Casascius? He released a hologram with a misspelling. Lealana? He funded 2 coins with the same public key. Bitcoin Penny? He took preorder money and lost it. Yogg? Scam. Friends of satoshi? Never made a single promised distribution. I could go on and on…

Who is the guy that critics say is worthy to make coins here?

[2stout]

Luke 6:31 Do the good things for other people that you would want them to do for you.

Proverbs 27:5- Open rebuke is better than secret love.

[howardsentell]

Luke 6:31 Do the good things for other people that you would want them to do for you.

Proverbs 27:5- Open rebuke is better than secret love.

Proverbs 15:1 A gentle answer makes anger disappear, but a rough answer makes it grow.

[2stout]

Luke 6:31 Do the good things for other people that you would want them to do for you.

Proverbs 27:5- Open rebuke is better than secret love.

Proverbs 15:1 A gentle answer makes anger disappear, but a rough answer makes it grow.

Proverbs 27:6- Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.

[howardsentell]

That said, I am considering stepping away from this forum, as I have experienced a level of hatred and harshness that I do not feel I deserve, nor do I believe anyone does.

The toxic environment for coin makers here is nothing new. It is why I haven’t released anything in more than half a decade. As a maker, at some point you begin to wonder if the community will ever change, but I’ve only seen it get worse with each passing year. Probably why not a single innovation has happened to this collectibles market in at least a decade while coin premiums and quality have only gotten worse with scams being more frequent. This is a trend that isn’t slowing.

Do you think that the community should not hold coin makers to a higher standard, when we've seen repeated instances of rug pulls, botched keys, using malware-laced keygen tools?  I guess we should just allow newbies to get scammed again and again, because we wouldn't want any new makers to feel any harshness or criticism while they peddle their terrible products here.  

Hold to a higher standard? What is the standard? I’m genuinely curious what maker here is viewed by the community as meeting the standard. Casascius? He released a hologram with a misspelling. Lealana? He funded 2 coins with the same public key. Bitcoin Penny? He took preorder money and lost it. Yogg? Scam. Friends of satoshi? Never made a single promised distribution. I could go on and on…

Who is the guy that critics say is worthy to make coins here?

Just to confirm what you are stating the collectible board needs to be removed?

[FiniteByDesign]

Coins 1 and 2 from the Event Horizon series contain the Blind 'error' hologram (no I's).

Coins 3-10 were assembled with the previous version of QR code enabled holograms - I's included.

[Kazkaz27]

I am also grateful to those who have been (and continue to be) supportive of my work. Also I understand that this space allows everyone to have a voice, regardless of how that voice may come across.

That said, I am considering stepping away from this forum, as I have experienced a level of hatred and harshness that I do not feel I deserve, nor do I believe anyone does.

I hope everyone has a great weekend.

That's what they want F*D, that's what they want.

That said, I am considering stepping away from this forum, as I have experienced a level of hatred and harshness that I do not feel I deserve, nor do I believe anyone does.

The toxic environment for coin makers here is nothing new. It is why I haven’t released anything in more than half a decade. As a maker, at some point you begin to wonder if the community will ever change, but I’ve only seen it get worse with each passing year. Probably why not a single innovation has happened to this collectibles market in at least a decade while coin premiums and quality have only gotten worse with scams being more frequent. This is a trend that isn’t slowing.

I applaud the truth. It's crazy to say it but 90% of the market for these coins is no longer here. 10% is here, the other 90% is hate. I love making coins. I made them more for myself and I did well but after sharing that love here and experiencing so much pessimism and hate for the passion I've really lost the mystical or special energy I once felt all the coins had. I value my own creations over coins I've collected. I once was obsessed with this hobby and the coins. The hate I received from members has killed that passion. I still make stuff because I enjoy it. But sharing it all here, well not so much. I share it with those I know appreciate it. In fact I've given away hundreds of coins to share the hobby with strangers during my travels. In the end, I understand F*D’s sentiment and support if he walks away from the shitheads that really do nothing but trash a persons work. There are better ways to go about distributing the coins. This place is no longer the spot.

[howardsentell]

If legendary FD decides to leave the forum it will be on your hands. I hope you understand the consequences of your actions. I will continue to support the creators and stay actively involved. It is important to help those who built this community and to encourage new contributors. Growth is necessary for us to stay relevant. Taking credit for actions that show basic common sense is not justified. Controlling behavior must stop. The community should promote encouragement instead of division. We should focus on positive contributions rather than negative.

[geophphreigh]

I have collected for many years. Some here have collected longer than me, others are newer. Ultimately I feel that we as a community choose to support those works we appreciate for their time, innovation, design, rarity, trust etc. Some of these factors are easy to promote and grow, others not so much. Trust is gained over time and lost quickly with poor decisions (Yogg). Designs can evolve and inspire, grow and become popular (Alpen). Others are steadfast and honored over time (BTCC). Ultimately we as collectors vote with our purchases. If we trust/like/enjoy/value a maker's item we will buy it. I have purchased many F*D items, am an avid collector of their old/original items, and started to buy the newer releases recently. I have stopped buying F*D items because of issues like these in this thread and because of the high volume poor quality releases. It simply was not worth my time or money anymore. Others may not feel this way, but many do. They should be free to express their opinion regarding each release, just as people are free to express their praise.

I caution you though. I see too many people taking any criticism here as a personal attack, but really I see the concerns raised as simply a stern warning from collectors that have lived the red flags previously and seen the negative outcomes. To ridicule these folks on the forum that are a voice of reason is foolish. You can buy what you want, and collect what you want, but it is disingenuous to disregard the past experiences of members who have been there before with situations like this and try to warn others.

I continue to collect items I see as valuable from members I trust (for now) ie. Cygan/Icaurs, Polymerbit, Ballet, etc. You can do as you wish, but the veteran collectors here are raising concerns for valid reasons.

Geophphpreigh

[howardsentell]

I have collected for many years. Some here have collected longer than me, others are newer. Ultimately I feel that we as a community choose to support those works we appreciate for their time, innovation, design, rarity, trust etc. Some of these factors are easy to promote and grow, others not so much. Trust is gained over time and lost quickly with poor decisions (Yogg). Designs can evolve and inspire, grow and become popular (Alpen). Others are steadfast and honored over time (BTCC). Ultimately we as collectors vote with our purchases. If we trust/like/enjoy/value a maker's item we will buy it. I have purchased many F*D items, am an avid collector of their old/original items, and started to buy the newer releases recently. I have stopped buying F*D items because of issues like these in this thread and because of the high volume poor quality releases. It simply was not worth my time or money anymore. Others may not feel this way, but many do. They should be free to express their opinion regarding each release, just as people are free to express their praise.

I caution you though. I see too many people taking any criticism here as a personal attack, but really I see the concerns raised as simply a stern warning from collectors that have lived the red flags previously and seen the negative outcomes. To ridicule these folks on the forum that are a voice of reason is foolish. You can buy what you want, and collect what you want, but it is disingenuous to disregard the past experiences of members who have been there before with situations like this and try to warn others.

I continue to collect items I see as valuable from members I trust (for now) ie. Cygan/Icaurs, Polymerbit, Ballet, etc. You can do as you wish, but the veteran collectors here are raising concerns for valid reasons.

Geophphpreigh

geo I have been collecting for over 50 years. When seeking advice I think everyone is equal. I value guidance from people with real life experience more than from those known only for legendary status. In the beginning I associated legendary status with mentorship. However Ive realized that those in less notable positions often offer more practical support. Many legend members seem to overlook their humble beginnings. I am not interested in the past. I live in the future. What are you doing now? Have the makers you trust made mistakes? Why are some makers criticized relentlessly while others get a pass? Why have past scams hurt creators ability to succeed today? Do we want to be stuck in the past? I agree that if you do not like the product do not buy it. The forum believes BTC is free so let creators make what they want at the quality and price they choose. Why shame creators in public? It is just as easy to DM an innovator and offer friendly advice. This is about control. If you are not on the right side there are temper tantrums. Put yourself in the creators position and ask what you would do. I challenge you to criticize your superior at work the way you do on the forum and see what happens. Members behave differently on the forum than in real life. It is like when people drink. If this behavior does not stop we will be left with an empty collectible board and only bragging about who has the best collection.

Howard

[Kazkaz27]

Look at this sales thread. Trashed. That's why most makers now opt to self-moderate their sales threads. It's really so this nonsense doesn't happen. Then haters act like creators are bad for self-moderating a sales thread. I know from experience.

Members should be able to address whatever but respect a creator's sales thread. End this onslaught. Address issues but not in this manner. It's really shameless. Like some of you just want to be in a Reckon Ball crew.

Praising something vs attacking it means the world. F*D does not deserve this treatment.

Members who attempt to destroy creators sales threads and reputation by using accusations or assumptions like “if one thing is wrong (like missing “i’s” in a hologram) the private keys are probably wrong” should be tagged with a negative red/neutral trust imo. It's a super shitty thing to throw that sentiment or blanket statement with nothing of substance to support that very serious claim.

I appreciate 2stouts words in this matter. I honestly side with him as a voice of reason. Good mediator. Geo as well makes some solid sense. Ultimately I agree with OGNasty and Howard and I side with F*D fully on the matter. I strongly oppose anonymousminer and sentiment given by hybridsole. Mopar opened the door for members to criticize. Which I am neutral on. In my experience when Mopar opens a “can of worms” some members dig into it. Not in a good way. I have seen where I believe Mopars intentions are good but ultimately lead to a debacle out of context. That said, I've appreciated Mopar's remarks on multiple occasions but at times have strongly disagreed because I believe at times he has taken subjects far out of context. The line is crossed when members make it personal.

I've noticed mistakes from other creators which I DO NOT POINT OUT PUBLICLY because I respect them. Some  creators are given passes or green lights when others would have surely been ridiculed or mocked endlessly for such mistakes. I do not care to join that because I support creation. I refuse to tear down other creators blessed by the community just to point out the atrocious hypocrisy. What a shit cycle to tear them down because other members want to tear down other creators for similar mistakes or for whatever reason. The hypocrisy here is thick.

The word scam and scammer is thrown around on this sales thread as well. That word alone should be a million miles away from this thread out of respect for it being a SALES THREAD—unless PROOF of a scam related to this SALES THREAD can be provided!

It's really just a decent thing to consider.

[ChiBitCTy]

It appears that the "I" is missing from both "VERIFY" and "FUNDING" on the hologram. I went back and looked at some of my recent purchases and they are missing on those coin holograms as well.

mo its better to ask the maker your question directly instead of sharing it with everyone. Would you want someone else to call out your mistakes on a loudspeaker? A true friend would want to help privately. This could be FDs intended design. What is your goal?

This is a public release of a product being sold, why would he ask that privately?

It looks to me like it was a typo and should be called out.   It's not like there is a lack of space requiring him to shorten it to "VERFY" (and if true, that is a very odd way to shorten the word VERIFY).  

In reality this appears to the same kind of typo that is common with AI slop designs.  You can even see the gap where the "I"
 should be but it was left out.  Also, for the side with the design, the laser appears to be set too powerful and the coin appears to be burned.  Just my $0.02.  Another shit release from an endless stream of shit releases from infinite by design.  

hybrid your comment is disrespectful and meant to undermine a creator. It doesnt work. FD will keep making great products. I believe this was a deliberate FD design. Use your imagination. If its an error be thankful you have a rare coin. FD your coins are amazing. How many hacks have chased off creators? If this continues soon there will be nothing to buy on the collectible board. I hope no one who commented negatively ever makes a mistake. I will take two FD.

Good fucking lord what’s become of this hobby and this board. Finite, are you a 12 year old ? You misspelled a word on a design, you then had it printed, assembled, uploaded and posted and didn’t catch on to it ? Once it’s BEYOND LEGITIMATELY brought up, you thank someone for saying it should just be left unspoken of? What fn world are we living in right now?!  Howard , Kaz - seek mental health help, after you’re done shagging each other , of course. SMH