Does "howardsentell" have ulterior motives behind creating his account?

[DireWolfM14]

I am not the only one that has noticed this thread was about howardsentell yet apart from giving a merit to Kazkaz27, he has not posted in this thread to address any comments/questions directed at him. At the same time, Kazkaz27 has presented himself as a vocal defender (akin to a lawyer) of howardsentell and posting support for him.

Don't worry, he's not ignoring you (check your trust wall.) 
Welcome to club of people he's harassing, abusing, and bullying with unsubstantiated red trust.  I have the distinct privilege of having earned 4 red-tags from him and his alt.  That may be a record, I haven't bothered to check.

He's too much of a coward to post in this thread, and he's trying to avoid digging himself deeper into the abyss he's created for himself.  Also, he's under the delusion that he can dig himself out using his alt.

[owlcatz]

THis fuckin weirdo has been sending me multiple unsolicited pms to "join his free raffle" (Presumably to get my home addresess, since he knows i literally hate his ass.

He sent me 2 pms in 3 days, first of which was 3/3 then again today. he's been reported both times as well.

As a result, i've updated my trust rating from neutral to -ve

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3725863

Cheers,
owl

[JollyGood]

Barely 3 months since account created, and already equal rank and merit as my account - 6.5+ Years old 

Definitely some suspicious merit earnings id guess 

Using the Collectible board to go from newbie to Hero in a few months is something a determined individual can do. The howardsentell and Kazkaz27 accounts have brought a lot of attention to themselves recently, if they had avoid the drama by posting in (or creating) threads that were in other boards they would probably have remained under the radar.

Don't worry, he's not ignoring you (check your trust wall.) 
Welcome to club of people he's harassing, abusing, and bullying with unsubstantiated red trust.  I have the distinct privilege of having earned 4 red-tags from him and his alt.  That may be a record, I haven't bothered to check.

He left a very detailed negative tag for me 

He's too much of a coward to post in this thread, and he's trying to avoid digging himself deeper into the abyss he's created for himself.  Also, he's under the delusion that he can dig himself out using his alt.

That seems to be the case. Why on earth would he sit idle and allow someone else to post on his behalf to defend his position. When I created this thread, all I did was to express an opinion and asked others that have engaged with the account to post their experiences of communicating with him. The fact Kazkaz27 came out on a full scale offensive against many accounts while simultaneously defending howardsentell, is very strange.

He left me a negative tag because I created this thread. He obviously read it therefore he gave a merit to the Kazkaz27 yet he has not posted anything here apart from an image.

[yahoo62278]

I am not sure what's up with the guy but he is definitely odd. I entered his raffle the other day, I don't usually join stuff in the collectibles section unless someone sends me an invite, but I was reading this section and seen him post a link to the raffle so I joined. Within 45 minutes i got a om from him.

Hi, my friend, I appreciate your entering 🎉[Free Raffle] CREATOR SPOTLIGHT RARITYCHECK 2 COINS HOLE ZINC & VIBGYOR SILVER. State in your comment why you support the maker and what your favorite thing about the innovator is. Thanks.

Not that I care, but I doubt he messaged anyone else asking for this and if by some miracle I were to win I would have given the prize to someone. No chance in hell I would give my address to the guy with the feedbacks I see on his profile.

Another funny thing is he also sends me a message on telegram. He was nice enough in his message but had no reason to message me which also gave me weird vibes about him.

[JollyGood]

At least one of the accounts has given an address to receive items he paid for, that cannot be denied according to the sellers therefore that could be a home/office address or a collection/post service address. Having said that, after reading another post that mentioned the address part it does make me wonder whether that is part of the plan.

Apart from the obvious scam that is possible where an item will be put up for sale and the seller receives funds but never posts the items, it is possible that the reason both howardsentell and Kazkaz27 are using the Collectible board is to get home addresses from members under the guise of them winning/buying from the Collectibles board.

Considering both accounts seem to be unhinged, it seems a possibility.

I am not sure what's up with the guy but he is definitely odd. I entered his raffle the other day, I don't usually join stuff in the collectibles section unless someone sends me an invite, but I was reading this section and seen him post a link to the raffle so I joined. Within 45 minutes i got a om from him.

Hi, my friend, I appreciate your entering 🎉[Free Raffle] CREATOR SPOTLIGHT RARITYCHECK 2 COINS HOLE ZINC & VIBGYOR SILVER. State in your comment why you support the maker and what your favorite thing about the innovator is. Thanks.

Not that I care, but I doubt he messaged anyone else asking for this and if by some miracle I were to win I would have given the prize to someone. No chance in hell I would give my address to the guy with the feedbacks I see on his profile.

Another funny thing is he also sends me a message on telegram. He was nice enough in his message but had no reason to message me which also gave me weird vibes about him.

[Kazkaz27]

The only Alts being used are the ones you guys operate to support your crusades. Me and Howard are verifiably two different people. We have been over this countless times. You attack, assume, and employ zero reconnaissance. Any research would result in a distinct verifible difference between us. We are not anonymous users like many of you. I've doxxed myself more times then I can count. I'm sure Grox would tell you exactly who I am.

Howard is smart. He knows arguing or conversing with idiots goes nowhere. Plus it seems to piss you all off. Which is funny.

[owlcatz]

The only Alts being used are the ones you guys operate to support your crusades. Me and Howard are verifiably two different people. We have been over this countless times. Zero reconnaissance.

I have seen zero information supporting whether or not you are one and the same, and honestly don't even care.

I don't see any alt accounts here, can you find mine? No - Cuz I don't have or need one.

BTW, why you 2 idiots just stirring continuous stream of endless needless poop and wasting so much internet?

This is how I see you both TBH (Howard is on the left):

[Kazkaz27]

Well not only do you lie you must be blind or illiterate. Even your best friend knows we are separate entities despite his own lies, blindness, or illliteracy.



I truly think you to be incapable of a google search because I pop right up and so does Howard.

[hybridsole]

Well not only do you lie you must be blind or illiterate. Even your best friend knows we are separate entities despite his own lies, blindness, or illliteracy.



I truly think you to be incapable of a google search because I pop right up and so does Howard.

The fact that you are bragging about AM's suggestion you are different people makes me think you are the same people.  This is not the flex you think it is. 

[Kazkaz27]

The fact that you are bragging about AM's suggestion you are different people makes me think you are the same people.  This is not the flex you think it is.  

Bragging? I was pointing out even his best bud knows we are different people. I basically stated that anonymous was just as much a blind, illiterate liar as Wolf was.

You think me showing a past remark made by anonymous is a flex? — I’m laughing considering you think anything anonymousminer says is a flex.

That doesn't mean you should be an idoit and join in a long list of accusations like you just did.

Listen, I understand you’re mad at the red trust I gave you. Too be fair I gave a fair warning, you just weren't smart enough to reach out to me, de-escalate or fix the behavior. What you did was out of line. You lack respect in alot of ways. Clearly, I have no patience left with the MOB or people who aren't going to respect a sales or auction thread.

I had given you a green trust a few months back, seeing your work and appreciating it. Took it away and gave you a warning. You didn't like it and retaliated with a red trust towards me and of course is was inaccurate. So I let ya have it. Just wear it proudly. I know Wolf likes the ones I gave him.

[hybridsole]

The fact that you are bragging about AM's suggestion you are different people makes me think you are the same people.  This is not the flex you think it is.  

Bragging? I was pointing out even his best bud knows we are different people. I basically stated that anonymous was just as much a blind, illiterate liar as Wolf was.

You think me showing a past remark made by anonymous is a flex? — I’m laughing considering you think anything anonymousminer says is a flex.

That doesn't mean you should be an idoit and join in a long list of accusations like you just did.

Listen, I understand you’re mad at the red trust I gave you. Too be fair I gave a fair warning, you just weren't smart enough to reach out to me, de-escalate or fix the behavior. What you did was out of line. You lack respect in alot of ways. Clearly, I have no patience left with the MOB or people who aren't going to respect a sales or auction thread.

I had given you a green trust a few months back, seeing your work and appreciating it. Took it away and gave you a warning. You didn't like it and retaliated with a red trust towards me and of course is was inaccurate. So I let ya have it. Just wear it proudly. I know Wolf likes the ones I gave him.

You don't understand what I'm saying. Because you are posting his comment here and elsewhere, it makes it seem like you care an awful lot about whether people think you are the same, and I think that by itself is suspicious.  The more you insist on you being different people makes me think you are the same (or as AM says, possibly controlling Howards account). 

Either way, whether you are the same person, different people, or AI agents programmed to come across as idiots, you are both widely considered trolls at this point, and it's funny that you think I (or anyone else) care about whether you leave anyone a positive or negative trust.

[nutildah]

I am a new member and I happened to come across this topic.

A "new member" that named themselves "officialmoderator". This is definitely legit... ... not

I dont understand the false accusations.

Mind telling us which accusation(s) in particular you think are false?

Help me understand how this forum works. I notice his critics have a lot of red flags and trust issues.

If you're truly interested in learning how the forum works - as your particular issues concern the trust system - I recommend reading the first post in LoyceV's guide to the trust system and theymos' explanation of trust flags. This will help you understand the difference between default trust feedback and non-DT feedback, as well as the difference between Active and Inactive flags.

[JollyGood]

How can you just find yourself in this thread by chance? Your account was created today for the specific purpose of posting to support the howardsentell and Kazkaz27 accounts. If there ever was a clear example of an alt-account being created in order to support an agenda, then this is it.

Do you believe that anything you posted has even helped either of the two accounts in the slightest? On the contrary, it has brought to attention the use of alt-accounts when you find yourself requiring support. It was a pointless exercise on your part.

I am a new member and I happened to come across this topic. I am a new collector and I have noticed howardsentell has posted several free raffles to recognize coin makers. His name is public and transparent throughout the internet. He has positive trust from sellers. He hasnt sold anything. I dont understand the false accusations. Help me understand how this forum works. I notice his critics have a lot of red flags and trust issues. How can you identify if a member is legit or not? Thanks for the help.

[MoparMiningLLC]

This is most likely howard - it uses a few phrases and words right off the start that howard always uses - example: mentor - howard has used that many times and this account, out of the blue randomly finds itself here (of all places) and defends howard as if they know him and then uses some of the same words/phrases.  

[Kazkaz27]

Well, for all I know, the alt account is just another one of the MOBS. It’s probably just a continuation of tactics to try to make Howard or me look like we’ve used alts, broken rules, or worse—like the MOB keeps claiming—although until now they didn’t have the “evidence.” Good old-fashioned shady tactics. They just can’t make anything stick, so the strategy is now to try and speak for us.

[2stout]

Well for all I know the alt account is just another one of the MOBS. Probably just a continuation of tactics to try and make Howard or I look like we have used Alts like the MOB keeps claiming, although until now they didn't have the “evidence”. Good old-fashioned shady tactics. They just can't make anything stick so the strategy is now to speak for us.

Sorry, but this is is bad conspiratorial reverse psychology + projection.

[Kazkaz27]

Well for all I know the alt account is just another one of the MOBS. Probably just a continuation of tactics to try and make Howard or I look like we have used Alts like the MOB keeps claiming, although until now they didn't have the “evidence”. Good old-fashioned shady tactics. They just can't make anything stick so the strategy is now to speak for us.

Sorry, but this is is bad conspiratorial reverse psychology + projection.

Well this is not my doing nor my full intention. I am forced to leave all options on the table. I really can't put anything past the MOB at this point considering the countless accusations thrown. I have been left having to “protect”/defend myself. Many times it's me pointing out the so called “bad conspiratorial reverse psychology + projection”. I can certainly see why you say that 2stout. I understand your sentiment.

Here's the thing, anyone can use dirty tactics.

[ESG]

hmmm... I was reading, it is really worrying the defense made....
I'm glad that there are some people who worry... This concern is important,
but then,... When I read, I read listening to what the person is writing,...
And today was not the first time I read the writings of 'Officialmoderator', and the voice I hear is a robotic voice from old films, like = Tanananan, Daranadandan....
 And it seems that he also came to the defense, if these defenses here had not happened
on the part of those who revolve around the suspect,
the suspicion would have been much less.
And it is not only here that this orbital system has organized itself to defend itself.

 Only my observation that I posted, unlike others in several places that I write
and delete without posting. My apologies for clicking on post instead of closing the page,
 but I just wanted to say that this kind of discussion is important.

[JollyGood]

From what I have seen, both the howardsentell and Kazkaz27 accounts have brought unnecessary attention to themselves. They had no reason to create threads in the Meta board or Reputation board yet they did it. For example, before that I think had never noticed either of them. Then relying on newly created alt-accounts to provide fake support is another things that has been noticed.

What puzzles me is their end game. What exactly would they have wanted to do had they built up their accounts rapidly via positive green trust earned in the Collectibles board and not received any negative tags? Now that they have been discussed as suspicious characters and both have received negative feedback, that will probably mean they have to change their original plan (whatever that might have been).

This is most likely howard - it uses a few phrases and words right off the start that howard always uses - example: mentor - howard has used that many times and this account, out of the blue randomly finds itself here (of all places) and defends howard as if they know him and then uses some of the same words/phrases.  

[Kazkaz27]

From what I have seen, both the howardsentell and Kazkaz27 accounts have brought unnecessary attention to themselves. They had no reason to create threads in the Meta board or Reputation board yet they did it. For example, before that I think had never noticed either of them. Then relying on newly created alt-accounts to provide fake support is another things that has been noticed.

What puzzles me is their end game. What exactly would they have wanted to do had they built up their accounts rapidly via positive green trust earned in the Collectibles board and not received any negative tags? Now that they have been discussed as suspicious characters and both have received negative feedback, that will probably mean they have to change their original plan (whatever that might have been).

This is most likely howard - it uses a few phrases and words right off the start that howard always uses - example: mentor - howard has used that many times and this account, out of the blue randomly finds itself here (of all places) and defends howard as if they know him and then uses some of the same words/phrases.  

People are free to post in meta. The rest of your rant really is a mix of convoluted falsehoods which are irrelevant.