ETFs dead already?

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Today no one is talking about them ETFs.

Bitcoin ETFs is value for a number of purpose and those who knows this still uses it for those reasons and it’s still very much talked about. Certain leverages do exist with Bitcoin ETFs such as, allowing you access to the on paper Bitcoin which, your current funds wouldn’t have allowed you.
Still, it’s not of a great advantage in the sense that, you don’t exactly own them as opposed to you having to buy Bitcoin directly.

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On this forum, everyone will likely advise you to invest your money in Bitcoin, not ETFs. ETFs are institutionally created products that simply represent the price of Bitcoin. Investing in an ETF is like buying a piece of paper that only represents the price of Bitcoin. If the company goes bankrupt, that paper will be worthless. Still, many people prefer buying Bitcoin ETFs because they don't need the hassle of managing the seed phrase and leave the custody of their assets entirely to a third party.

[whiteblue]

The existed of Bitcoin ETF question.

Does the existed of ETFs really necessary? Because some.advisors are advising their follows to buy the real Bitcoin rather than ETF, they said one is paper and the other is the real thing, can't help but think why it existed in the first place.

Today no one is talking about them ETFs.

It's better to buy real Bitcoin than an ETF because we can secure it properly. If we just hold the contract, I think it's not entirely ours, unlike when we buy on the market and then store it in a personal wallet.

ETFs are intended to increase the confidence of institutional investors. The existence of ETFs attracts investment companies, and they have more confidence if it's issued by an issuing company that can guarantee their security. Why not talk about it? It's boring, especially with the current sluggish price across the market. It's not surprising that the bull season will return.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

No Bitcoin ETFs are not dead, they are definitely needed. Institutional investment is more likely to come via Spot ETFs than buying physical Bitcoin themselves.

My preference is to buy Bitcoin myself but some people also prefer what they might perceive as added security of a reputable company like Blackrock managing their Bitcoin. Some people are actually incapable of safely holding their own physical Bitcoin so in that case, buying a Spot ETF may be preferred.

[KiaKia]

ETFs are actually good for people who trust Centralised exchanges more than their private keys, those who sees holding Bitcoin as a big challenge will like ETFs, they always want someone else to be in control for them just like the banking system.

ETFs are not dead, and people are buying rather than buying Bitcoin itself, they are ok with this.

There is nothing much to talk about ETF, they exist for those who needs them, as for people like us we will still keep buying Bitcoin rather than investing on ETFs, it's not a total waste that ETFs existed, someone people do needs it.

[ZAINmalik75]

The existed of Bitcoin ETF question.

Does the existed of ETFs really necessary? Because some.advisors are advising their follows to buy the real Bitcoin rather than ETF, they said one is paper and the other is the real thing, can't help but think why it existed in the first place.

Today no one is talking about them ETFs.

The reason is simple, some traditional investors would never buy bitcoin directly, the demand was increasing and banks were losing customers with time, they need to find a way to add crypto into the traditional system so they could benefit from it.
They approved ETFs, and now anyone could buy bitcoin etf from their banking apps. They don't have to hold their keys; they are not responsible for their funds because the manager or banks holding their amounts are responsible. They could also lend or borrow on it and have insurance too.

THe paper money is a good point and valid in term when we say the holder are just buying etfs they don't hold real bitcoin, everything is on paper so they hold nothing also the price of the etf is usually higher than the real bitcoin, that's called premium.

[Hamza2424]

There are still talks about them Bitcoin ETFs, but not as though they're a new thing. Of course, their volumes rise and fall. I did a quick check on IBIT's volume, BlackRock's Bitcoin ETF. It's still in the billions daily. That remains huge, far from dead.

I think he meant from the craze on social media, which is lower than before, because he literally can't mean by volume, most of the volume in bitcoin is coming from these ETFs. Although more harm has also been done by them if they done good too. ETFs at the start were in hype, everyone was talking about them, how it can be good or bad. It was an awesome time.
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Bitcoin price was shooting like a rocket and everything was so bullish. At that time, many made huge profits. But now, as predicted, new users like to invest via Bitcoin ETFs because they really think it is wise to avoid the struggle, which in reality is not a struggle of managing the keys and wallets.

[Ambatman]

they said one is paper and the other is the real thing, can't help but think why it existed in the first place.

Ooh they are just finding out now that owning ETF isn't same as holding Bitcoin
And it existed or many pushed for it because of exposure and adoption
ETF would make it possible for certain investors and institutions to invest in Bitcoin with some touch of regulations.

And No ETF are not dead they still possess certain strengths and advantages when it comes to tax
So many including some long time holding are entering through AP.

[Cookdata]

The existed of Bitcoin ETF question.

Does the existed of ETFs really necessary? Because some.advisors are advising their follows to buy the real Bitcoin rather than ETF, they said one is paper and the other is the real thing, can't help but think why it existed in the first place.

Today no one is talking about them ETFs.

The question you should be asking is not about the existence, the question should have been why are institutional investors in buying ETF instead of buying real Bitcoin. They don't want to associated with Bitcoin but they still loves the properties, the and the volatility. So they buy ETF been offered by financial institutions who give this services and then give to them and buy Bitcoin in their custody, when they are ready to cashout their profits, ETF are sold back along with real Bitcoin and then profit or loss is given back to users.

It's one of the most useless financial instruments I have seen anyone will want to buy when you can actually buy Bitcoin and hold, why do you need that when you can literally go into any centralized exchanges, do what you want to do and get them to your personal wallet. Let's even say it's kept on exchanges, it's better than buying the ETF because I can't see the difference between the two, it's just waste of time and of course liquidity for financial exchanges.

[X-ray]

Today no one is talking about them ETFs.

Inflow and volume data says otherwise.

Anyway, there is nothing wrong in having alternative, the ETF enable institutional investor to invest into bitcoin easily otherwise they have to use custodial service that is up to standard and pay another fees.

ETF serves capital inflow from traditional finance sector into bitcoin although indirectly. You could buy bitcoin directly or through ETF it's up to you.

[nemesis_incarnate]

Today no one is talking about them ETFs.

Inflow and volume data says otherwise.

Anyway, there is nothing wrong in having alternative, the ETF enable institutional investor to invest into bitcoin easily otherwise they have to use custodial service that is up to standard and pay another fees.

ETF serves capital inflow from traditional finance sector into bitcoin although indirectly. You could buy bitcoin directly or through ETF it's up to you.

Custody over the coin is the question one should ask when choosing how to expose himself to BTC.. But I agree, there is interest in ETFs, but not in the media field because there are much more flashier themes than that.

[barbara44]

There are still talks about them Bitcoin ETFs, but not as though they're a new thing. Of course, their volumes rise and fall. I did a quick check on IBIT's volume, BlackRock's Bitcoin ETF. It's still in the billions daily. That remains huge, far from dead.

I think he meant from the craze on social media, which is lower than before, because he literally can't mean by volume, most of the volume in bitcoin is coming from these ETFs. Although more harm has also been done by them if they done good too. ETFs at the start were in hype, everyone was talking about them, how it can be good or bad. It was an awesome time.
The
Bitcoin price was shooting like a rocket and everything was so bullish. At that time, many made huge profits. But now, as predicted, new users like to invest via Bitcoin ETFs because they really think it is wise to avoid the struggle, which in reality is not a struggle of managing the keys and wallets.

Yeah, that must be it. Most of the ETF's already share their information on how much they buy and sell and their size, and it's evident that they are a lot more holding than the retail investors like us, because they are already rich so they do not need to sell. Still as far as I have seen, there are people there who sell too, but they do not react the way we do in market movements, it's much smaller, because rich people do not care about the daily movements, they care about a decade, and that's what makes retail investor not earn as much as them.

If bitcoin investments somehow manage to show another 10x returns, then we can see people rush behind all type of bitcoin investment opportunities and bitcoin ETF also may get revived from that but until then we are going to see that ETF is slowly losing its attractiveness.

[Easteregg69]

Seems like the etf gets shorted by someone else when you buy in.

Patience. You provoke the world with your activities.

[betswift]

ETFs are actually good for people who trust Centralised exchanges more than their private keys, those who sees holding Bitcoin as a big challenge will like ETFs, they always want someone else to be in control for them just like the banking system.

ETFs are not dead, and people are buying rather than buying Bitcoin itself, they are ok with this.

There is nothing much to talk about ETF, they exist for those who needs them, as for people like us we will still keep buying Bitcoin rather than investing on ETFs, it's not a total waste that ETFs existed, someone people do needs it.

They will have burns from such hodling sooner or later. Alas, it will be a lesson for them if such a situation takes place, where they will be explicitly told about which coins are which..

[joniboini]

Inflow and volume data says otherwise.

Yeah. Social media discussion is a bad metric to judge whether ETF has demands or not.

Speaking of ETFs, some exchanges in my country even offer a tokenized ETF already. While they can't launch their own ETF, they can launch a token "backed" by an existing ETF launched by other companies, mainly in the US. Not sure if regulations will stop this practice or not in the future. So far, it seems like there is a considerable demand for that.

[GreatArkansas]

Today no one is talking about them ETFs.

Inflow and volume data says otherwise.

Anyway, there is nothing wrong in having alternative, the ETF enable institutional investor to invest into bitcoin easily otherwise they have to use custodial service that is up to standard and pay another fees.

ETF serves capital inflow from traditional finance sector into bitcoin although indirectly. You could buy bitcoin directly or through ETF it's up to you.

I believe this is the only good side of owning ETFs instead of actual Bitcoin.
But for me, if you really can own real Bitcoin, with your own Bitcoin wallet, that is way far better. So I believe there are some reasons for some people why they own Bitcoin ETFs instead.

[macson]

Today no one is talking about them ETFs.

Who said that? Bitcoin ETFs are still a popular choice for some investors and institutions. They choose Bitcoin ETFs because they simply want to pursue profits and the convenience of investing without having to store and manage Bitcoin directly.

But whether an ETF is necessary or not depends on your perspective. Personally, I don't need one since I can invest my money in Bitcoin directly and manage it privately through a non-custodial wallet. However, for investors who are simply pursuing profits and don't want the hassle, they might find one useful.

[Alex077]

Yeah, strangely enough, in this complicated geopolitical situation Bitcoin ETFs actually stepped up their buying and broke the strong outflow trend that had been going on for almost two months. In particular, U.S. spot Bitcoin ETFs played a big role in this move, creating a positive inflow dynamic into the funds.
According to Bitfinex, the strong ETF inflows last week helped ease the selling pressure coming from both miners and long-term holders. For example, on March 4 the net inflow reached about $461.9 million, and by March 5 the total inflows since the start of the week had already exceeded $1.14 billion.

[DanWalker]

Who said that? Bitcoin ETFs are still a popular choice for some investors and institutions. They choose Bitcoin ETFs because they simply want to pursue profits and the convenience of investing without having to store and manage Bitcoin directly.

But whether an ETF is necessary or not depends on your perspective. Personally, I don't need one since I can invest my money in Bitcoin directly and manage it privately through a non-custodial wallet. However, for investors who are simply pursuing profits and don't want the hassle, they might find one useful.

The role of ETFs is not just to provide a convenient investment tool for those who do not want to store Bitcoin themselves. It also played a significant role in helping Bitcoin become popular globally.

Without ETF, institutions, large investor, or companies would not invest in bitcoin, and there would be no massive influx of money into the market. It can be said that ETFs not only help Bitcoin become more popular but also increase liquidity, attracting large inflows of money, which in turn leads to a sharper price increase.

Without billions of dollars pouring into the market through ETFs, I do not think it could have reached its ATH before the halving and surpassed the $100k in this cycle.

[pawanjain]

The reality, however, is that between paper and the real thing, some prefer the paper. Also, in all fairness, it comes with a few advantages like not having to learn or worry about wallets and backups and whatnot. So, yeah, there are those who prefer the paper.

There are still talks about them Bitcoin ETFs, but not as though they're a new thing. Of course, their volumes rise and fall. I did a quick check on IBIT's volume, BlackRock's Bitcoin ETF. It's still in the billions daily. That remains huge, far from dead.

The volumes are quite decent. Institutions have been mostly buying and occasionally selling bitcoin almost on daily basis.
Another advantage of having ETFs is to not worry about the private keys since we the institutions are holding the custody of their bitcoins.
We can say ETFs have it's own pros and cons and while some prefer the real bitcoins, some others might prefer ETFs which is not that bad at all.