Questionable posters in signature campaigns

[Free Market Capitalist]

Lately, I've come across a few cases of people writing things that lack basic requirements of proper posting to the thread discussion, which is not uncommon in this forum, but they also get paid for them because they are participating signature campaigns.

I think we could centralize all such cases in this thread for actions such as neutral tags.

The latest case I've encountered is this one:

It pains when your money is locked up in place where you can't access it, and  frankly speaking $5,000 is a huge amount, so I feel your pains. But there are things we need to consider before accusing a casino of anything. Although I don't gamble with betfury but am sure multi accounting is not allowed on their platform, and this was clearly stated on their platform too.

According to you, you opened an account before and forgot it, and you went ahead to open another one on the same betfury that clearly stated on their platform that multi accounting is not allowed. Please note, am not here to defend betfury, instead to educate you on how casinos operate.

From the casino's end what you did is called policy violation. You broke one of their rule by opening more than one account, even though your intentions was clear. And despite you never deposited on that account nor gamble with it their rules were clear, multi accounting is not allowed and you broke the rule. So Instead of accusing them wrongly there are others ways Case like this can be handled. I will leave with this thread I created few days ago.

He is basically writing the second comment on the thread to something that the OP has not said. The OP did not say that he personally had $5K at the casino, nor did he say that he had registered beforehand; quite the contrary.

I deliberately drew his attention only to the first point, he came back and edited the post, but missed the second point. Here is what nutildah says:

It seems he kind of skimmed the post without fully digesting it. This person has a habit of drive-by shitposting. I'm surprised they actually returned to edit the post, but its still wrong.

According to you, you opened an account before and forgot it, and you went ahead to open another one on the same betfury that clearly stated on their platform that multi accounting is not allowed.

That's also not what was said.

So, I was thinking of going through his post history and if I see other similar cases, I'll tag him as a shitposter. But first, I'd like to ask the community what you think.

Another recent case was this one:

in a subsequent time the price of Bitcoin will decrease more because...

It is almost certain that Bitcoin will continue to fall when the stock market opens tomorrow...

Those are great shitposts. You couldn't bother to look at the price before writing? I guess you are used to getting paid for writing garbage so it doesn't matter to you.

When the bombings began, the price fell by 4%, but when it became known that Ayatollah Ali Khamenei had been killed, the price recovered and has remained flat compared to before the bombings.

You should be ashamed of writing like that.

However, in this case neither of them returned to the thread to edit the posts or anything.

I'm sure that if I look through their post history, I'll find more garbage posts like those.

But here I'm wondering the same thing: if I just leave them a neutral tag, we'll have drama with PMs and/or in this section, and since I'm quite fed up with it lately, I can't quite make up my mind.

That's why I wanted to open this thread to see what you think. It could be approached in a positive way: if someone gets exposed here but edits his posts and improves in the future, nothing happens, but initially, with three such shitposts, he could be given a neutral tag as a shitposter.

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I'm sure that if I look through their post history, I'll find more garbage posts like those.

But here I'm wondering the same thing: if I just leave them a neutral tag, we'll have drama with PMs and/or in this section, and since I'm quite fed up with it lately, I can't quite make up my mind.

That's why I wanted to open this thread to see what you think. It could be approached in a positive way: if someone gets exposed here but edits his posts and improves in the future, nothing happens, but initially, with three such shitposts, he could be given a neutral tag as a shitposter.

As long as the managers pay for such posts and the campaign owners are satisfied with what they get in return, such posts will continue to happen with or without tags and drama here.
As someone who actively uses the forum, such posts may bother you, but keep in mind that the manager controls each post, and if it is accepted in the post count during payment, it means that he recognized them as valuable. If the manager were to be stricter when selecting quality posts, it would cause drama in which they themselves would be involved.
And I'm somehow convinced that, like you, they don't want additional drama and explaining about shitposting, it becomes boring after all these years.

[SuperBitMan]

I remember making a mistake in the gambling board based on long time result and when I was corrected I immediately corrected it, I see some people that also make some mistakes or errors and I correct them too because I understand, know one is above mistakes and errors However, what I usually do when I see mistakes or errors made by some people after correcting them I do visit their account and go through their posts to see if they are always doing those kind of mistakes or errors and when I see more mistakes or errors in other posts they did, then I know they are shitposters but if there other posts are good then they are not shitposters. But one thing is certain some mistakes are not supposed to be made because it shows how unserious you are and a lier.
Let go through there posts to see if they are constantly doing this mistakes or errors before leaving feedback on their account, this is my opinion.

[Karl_3000]

When I messaged Joy- maker, he told me that he did not believe the OP of the thread, that the site can not just block his account, that he might have opened an account on the site before and forget. The way he posted it might be wrong but I think he still has a point. But Earnonvictor can be very right, some gambling sites are abusing their customers.

For the wrong part of thinking Earnonvictor deposited $5000. I know Joy- maker as a good poster, but I did not know what happened yesterday for the reason he did not understand what the OP was talking about the money he did not deposited, maybe he is too stressed, but I hope he is seeing this already. Someone can make a mistake and be corrected, that is what a forum is all about.

[WhoYouCantKill]

I remember making a mistake in the gambling board based on long time result and when I was corrected I immediately corrected it, I see some people that also make some mistakes or errors and I correct them too because I understand, know one is above mistakes and errors However, what I usually do when I see mistakes or errors made by some people after correcting them I do visit their account and go through their posts to see if they are always doing those kind of mistakes or errors and when I see more mistakes or errors in other posts they did, then I know they are shitposters but if there other posts are good then they are not shitposters. But one thing is certain some mistakes are not supposed to be made because it shows how unserious you are and a lier.
Let go through there posts to see if they are constantly doing this mistakes or errors before leaving feedback on their account, this is my opinion.

Yeah, I guess we can all conclude that he’s actually a shit poster after going through his previous posts and confirm beyond all reasonable doubt that that’s his regular pattern of posting. But if not, then surely we can all agree that’s merely just a harmless mistake that anyone can make.

I also do come across a few members who make off topic responses due to not really grasping the main point of the OP or just misunderstanding their point, sometimes I correct them, and sometimes I choose to mind my business and just scroll.

[Joy- maker]

@Free Market Capitalist I always respect your opinion, and I respect you as well. I don't know if you have gone through my Post history to see things yourself, but the truth is I don't shit post.

I came home from my shift very tired, While I was reading through the post yesterday I misunderstood the OP which was not a deliberate act. Because my brain was stressed out which can happen to someone sometimes.

I have once created threads which you came to comment under and you never called me a shit poster. Why is this one single mistake making me a shit poster?

Despite what I did was not an intentional act, I am not here to claim right, instead to tender an apology to the community for my recent act which resulted to the opening of this thread.

[Lucius]

Lately, I've come across a few cases of people writing things that lack basic requirements of proper posting to the thread discussion, which is not uncommon in this forum, but they also get paid for them because they are participating signature campaigns.
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The problem we have on the forum when it comes to sig campaigns and those who participate in them can be defined in one sentence - too many open spots, too few quality posters. If we're going to be realistic and honest, pay rates have remained the same or even decreased compared to a few years ago, despite the fact that everything in the world has become more expensive due to inflation.

Quantity has ruled over quality, and that's a great position for all the shitposters and alts farms - just 5 accounts earning $100 each week is $2000 per month.

[Rikafip]

As someone who actively uses the forum, such posts may bother you, but keep in mind that the manager controls each post, and if it is accepted in the post count during payment, it means that he recognized them as valuable.

Tbh, I think its more about managers realizing that even if they remove shitposters from their campaigns they will have to replace them with even worse ones, than being satisfied with actual quality. At least I like to think that's why so many below average members are getting paid for their shitposts. 

This will continue as long as there are more spots in signature campaigns than there are decent members.

[Xiestar]

Lately, I've come across a few cases of people writing things that lack basic requirements of proper posting to the thread discussion, which is not uncommon in this forum, but they also get paid for them because they are participating signature campaigns.
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The problem we have on the forum when it comes to sig campaigns and those who participate in them can be defined in one sentence - too many open spots, too few quality posters. If we're going to be realistic and honest, pay rates have remained the same or even decreased compared to a few years ago, despite the fact that everything in the world has become more expensive due to inflation.

Quantity has ruled over quality, and that's a great position for all the shitposters and alts farms - just 5 accounts earning $100 each week is $2000 per month.

The user in question is constructive poster on different board so “quality poster” is not the only problem.

Problem is signature campaign requires a mandatory post on gambling board while user joining the campaign is not a regular gambling poster which result to decrease of posting quality on that specific board.

Just don’t accept user that can’t post on gambling board if the company that launch signature campaign targets gambling market.

Actual scenario now is most campaigns are casino companies while most user that is not gambler are forced to post gambling content no matter how shitty their opinion there. Lots of these users was from same country with subject here.

Most of them are just stating the obvious or just re-echo other user statement for an easy +1 on gambling board post.

Having more spots is not a problem. It’s the management hiring the right poster for the company they are promoting.

[yahoo62278]

Lately, I've come across a few cases of people writing things that lack basic requirements of proper posting to the thread discussion, which is not uncommon in this forum, but they also get paid for them because they are participating signature campaigns.

I think we could centralize all such cases in this thread for actions such as neutral tags.

As long as the post is semi on topic, even with a comprehension issue, most managers pass right over the error. They might look deeper at the poster if messaged about the poster and their habits, but at 1st glance they are not giving it a long look.

You see all kinds of little things like comprehension issues, language barriers, some read the OP and post without reading other replies so the same thing is said over and over again, people aren't gamblers and we see the same threads being made over and over because they have to meet their quota, and more.

Messaging the manager in any instance is probably the route to go to voice your concerns so that the manager can take a deeper look at the user. Quality is also subjective so a manager may disagree and continue to employ the user.

When I messaged Joy- maker, he told me that he did not believe the OP of the thread, that the site can not just block his account, that he might have opened an account on the site before and forget. The way he posted it might be wrong but I think he still has a point. But Earnonvictor can be very right, some gambling sites are abusing their customers.

For the wrong part of thinking Earnonvictor deposited $5000. I know Joy- maker as a good poster, but I did not know what happened yesterday for the reason he did not understand what the OP was talking about the money he did not deposited, maybe he is too stressed, but I hope he is seeing this already. Someone can make a mistake and be corrected, that is what a forum is all about.

If a user doesn't believe the OP of a thread, wouldn't it be better to comment on that vs making comments that show they didn't comprehend what the user wrote?

Lately, I've come across a few cases of people writing things that lack basic requirements of proper posting to the thread discussion, which is not uncommon in this forum, but they also get paid for them because they are participating signature campaigns.
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The problem we have on the forum when it comes to sig campaigns and those who participate in them can be defined in one sentence - too many open spots, too few quality posters. If we're going to be realistic and honest, pay rates have remained the same or even decreased compared to a few years ago, despite the fact that everything in the world has become more expensive due to inflation.

Quantity has ruled over quality, and that's a great position for all the shitposters and alts farms - just 5 accounts earning $100 each week is $2000 per month.

Disagree 100% with the 1st part. There are a ton of users who don't get hired in campaigns. When I launch a campaign I have 10-25 spots usually. I also get 3-7 pages of applicants. SO for those 25 spots I have 60-140 applications to go through. 35-115 users that do not get selected.

Yes there are multiple campaigns and users apply in multiple campaigns, but some of them never get hired due to quality or activity issues. As far as quality, yea they don't all write a novel in perfect English and make others envious of how smart they sound. Could some be better? Yea I agree they could and you're not wrong some are really bad and shouldn't be hired but are given a chance.

Now let's talk about payrates, you realize this is a forum right? Companies are not going to pay users $500 a week to write posts on a forum. This is a job for some but that's not the companies problem. They offer x amount of money to a manager, usually as cheap as possible, and the manager then has to fill a campaign and start getting the sig code seen. If a user doesn't want to accept $50 a week or whatever the rate is, they can try a new campaign til they find a rate they can live with. Most times the rate they get is less than they want, but they also want to be paid for posting vs not being paid, so they take a spot til something better comes along.

You talk about quality posters but only about 10% of the forum is a quality poster in some users minds. How many "quality" posters are going to accept $50 a week? Some, like LoyceV for example, would say I'll pass and post free vs accepting such a low amount. Other will take it and make a few cents while they wait for something better.

Companies don't want to pay 10s of thousands a week for something and get what they consider little to nothing back in return. How many casinos come here and start a 1 or 2 week campaign for shit money? Then they're gone. They want hundreds to thousands of sign ups and depositors and don't realize they are not going to get that in 1 or 2 weeks.

[EarnOnVictor]

When I messaged Joy- maker, he told me that he did not believe the OP of the thread, that the site can not just block his account, that he might have opened an account on the site before and forget. The way he posted it might be wrong but I think he still has a point. But Earnonvictor can be very right, some gambling sites are abusing their customers.

Karl_3000, you know what? No one wants that guy to be sanctioned or something, but not facing the reality makes things worse sometimes. You don't have any defence this way, as it's just out of course. I went through what the OP here alleged, and it's valid, judging by what I clearly stated in that post, with no way for defence whatsoever. Even if he didn't believe what I wrote in that thread (which I don't expect anyone in his right senses not to believe, for I have nothing to gain doing that), he could have just debunked it, instead of going off the context. This even shows the kind of person he is because liars don't believe anything. Let's "call a spade a spade."

[Karl_3000]

If a user doesn't believe the OP of a thread, wouldn't it be better to comment on that vs making comments that show they didn't comprehend what the user wrote?

Karl_3000, you know what? No one wants that guy to be sanctioned or something, but not facing the reality makes things worse sometimes. You don't have any defence this way, as it's just out of course. I went through what the OP here alleged, and it's valid, judging by what I clearly stated in that post, with no way for defence whatsoever. Even if he didn't believe what I wrote in that thread (which I don't expect anyone in his right senses not to believe, for I have nothing to gain doing that), he could have just debunked it, instead of going off the context. This even shows the kind of person he is because liars don't believe anything. Let's "call a spade a spade."

Did you read what he has posted on this thread? He has apologized already for the wrongdoing. You can also see that he sent Free Market Capitalist a merit also which show that he know he has done something wrong. Reading what he has posted is very important to get this discussion to the right direction.

[nutildah]

but the truth is I don't shit post.

LMAO. I've seen you write some absurdly bad posts in the past. How you're still in a campaign is beyond me.

I can bit my chest that, no gamble has recovered the amount of money he or she has lost to gambling.

What are we to make of this? A newbie account created yesterday that made one post to create this thread in order to ask one question. The answer quite clearly could have been found without the need for the thread. Why would someone create an account just for that?

Good afternoon all,

Is Sirius still active on these forums?

maybe they had a business deal and Sirius didn't show up as agreed, and I think the OP was unable to reach Sirius in anyway, and  someone who know Sirius to be a member of this forum might have directed the OP to the forum to ask if Sirius is still active in forum since he or she can't reach him anymore, I think that's why he or she  created this account for.

They just say things without doing the slightest bit of research to see if its true or not.

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And secondly I checked your profile and I discovered that you had a negative trust from @Lucius, @condoras and @bias this members made some complains concerning your service so what are my trying to say those negative trust on your account may also be the reason why your thread was deleted. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3120410

It is not true that I left negative feedback in OP's profile, it is about neutral feedback resulting from the fact that two members left negative feedback claiming that OP scammed them. I advised them to open a topic in Reputation, but that didn't happen - because as far as I remember, the communication took place through Telegram (which the OP allegedly deleted).

Furthermore, it is not true that topics are deleted due to negative feedback, nor that a mod did it on their own, but rather someone made obviously good reports that the mods acted on.

"Well at least this person doesn't use AI."

AI would not have saved them because it doesn't actually add IQ to a post. They would just have spruced-up shitposts.

The problem we have on the forum when it comes to sig campaigns and those who participate in them can be defined in one sentence - too many open spots, too few quality posters.

Seems like there's an obvious solution to that, which is reduce the number of available spots and pay quality posters a little bit more. I realize this results in less overall impressions for the signature. I just have to wonder who off-forum with money to spend is reading through pages of garbage on the Gambling board and then randomly clicking on user signatures. Seems like those thousands of impressions are useless. We don't even know if they are contributing anything to a casino's SEO score.

If we're going to be realistic and honest, pay rates have remained the same or even decreased compared to a few years ago, despite the fact that everything in the world has become more expensive due to inflation.

Definitely decreased. I realize that ad blockers have made signature space less valuable overall, so its kind of to be expected.

Quantity has ruled over quality, and that's a great position for all the shitposters and alts farms - just 5 accounts earning $100 each week is $2000 per month.

Please don't encourage them.  

[Kavelj22]

In my opinion it's a problem with campaign managers if they accept to count shitposts among the weekly posts quota eligible for payments. When selecting accepting participants from so many applicants, managers will definetly find some shitposts in someone post history but this shouldn't be main reason to not accept them if the applicant can produce constructive posts in topic (not like the example in op which is an off-topic reply).

We, as community, we don't know if someone is getting paid for his shitposts unless all his posts are clear garbage. Best we can do is to encourage campaign managers not to count shitposts to help improve quality, and to report shitposts to moderators if encounter any. Just my two cents.

[LoyceV]

but the truth is I don't shit post.

LMAO. I've seen you write some absurdly bad posts in the past. How you're still in a campaign is beyond me.

The campaign he's in hires a lot of shitposters. He's on my Ignore list already.

They just say things without doing the slightest bit of research to see if its true or not.

That's nothing new. What is new, and what worries me is that more and more shitposters now manage to earn enough Merit to move up through the Ranks. Add signature campaigns that hire them and the result is I now see more and more "Ignored posts" on the tech boards and Meta. Those places used to be mostly free from shitposts.
Not so long ago, I didn't have to Ignore users who earned hundreds of Merits.