Kazkaz27 Sold Private keys!?

[Kazkaz27]

Yup, I did. THOUSANDS OF THEM. ALL PROTECTED TAMPER-EVIDENT. ZERO ISSUES— OTHER THAN THE FALSEHOODS & ACCUSATIONS FROM THE MOB.

If you dont like that then tag me red. Don't forget to tag all the Makers red. Including Mopar and everyone else on this LIST

[Kazkaz27]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5576875.0

- If someone is a scammer in your opinion, leave trust feedback or/and create a reputation thread and move on. Liberal forum, liberal rules.

I followed his advice. You are just another alt, a part of the MOB, and you likely should be banned.

I agree with Mitchell.—What was addressed was sales and auction threads being crushed by the MOB.

Now what needs to be addressed is the MOB using its group of corrupt, system-abusing, shady anonymous members and their army of alts to get banned and trust feedbacks removed. These members are the least trustworthy members on the entire forum because they know the system and use it to rape it, gain power, and destroy those they deem competition. The most control-hungry, money-grabbing, trust-abusing members are unfortunately largely part of the DT1 system. The reason being is not because they are great contributors or members but because they rape, pillage, corrupt, and abuse the system to be on top of the food chain, to control the narrative you are fed and trust.

This is coming from a fully transparent, FULLY VERIFIABLE PERSON. I’m not hiding anything. Try to meet up, get a real name or something personal out of many of them. Good luck.

Not to mention most of them are complete buffoons, who once upon a time supported the largest scammers and fell for scam artists several times themselves (Yogg, Titan, etc.). But now they are “experienced geniuses” and only they know who you should support, being that they have such “incredible” track records.

Legitimately, the biggest scams ever known in the collectible space once had many of these members’ full support until their debacles.—Now they think they are qualified to “protect” this community. 🤦‍♂️

They don’t know shit from Shinola. Talk about mental illness. They project everything they themselves are guilty of.

I am a man who bets the next big SCAM (true debacle) to inevitably come to the collectible space comes from the side the MOB supports (once again). The statistical odds are in my favor.

Go ahead and trust the anonymous users who have no skin in the game, claim they are here to protect you while they sell to you and promote those they can skim off the top from while they demonize and destroy those they can’t make a penny off of. There is surely a lot of money in the physical Bitcoin collectible MONOPOLY.

“The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I’m from the government, and I’m here to help.” — The same sentiment comes from many DT1 in power on this forum. It’s easily recognizable once you experience it. Being a “normal” user here you may never see it because you never faced its effects.

The war over auction and sales threads has been won. Now, I sense a new conflict brewing: the battle against anonymous members and their armies of alternate accounts.

[MoparMiningLLC]

This has been addressed so many times and you simply ignore it. Let's try once more.

In your thread of selling the keys you posted this image and asked if anyone wanted to buy your keys



The qr codes we see are the addresses and as you state the keys are on the back side. On one sheet you can see where some were cut out.

Your claim that the keys were sealed with tamper proof holograms is not accurate. You put the sheets between some cardboard sheets with holograms holding it together. This means the recipient of the keys can unseal them and use them. That also means at that point there are now 2 makers have seen the keys - that makes the keys unusable by most makers standards - I personally do not know any other maker who would use keys that someone else made and saw and if they would I would not trust them. You even compare the "protected" sheets as being the same as buying an assembled coin - they are not the same.



No collectible should ever be assembled using keys that more than one person saw. If funds get stolen - who do you hold accountable? The original key maker? or the maker who bought the keys? Both makers saw them...

And you saying it is the same as the other makers who sell assembled items is false - in those cases, only one person has seen the keys, not two. That is why you got the red from me. Because I do not trust someone selling keys that could be viewed and then used by the purchaser. No private key ever used should be seen by more than one individual.

In response to this, you have made up your mob theory which is utter bullshit. Some people simply agree or have their own reasons for not liking/trusting you. You have red trusted me for frivolous reasons as retaliation, by your own words. This is trust abuse to use it for retaliation - plain and simple.

Now to put you back on ignore.

[Kazkaz27]

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DO YOU SEE PRIVATE KEYS EXPOSED?—No you don’t.

You ignore the fact private keys were protected by tamper-evident holograms and never exposed.

Polyermbit received one of those sheets when I met him in person. He has seen that the backside of these sheets are protected with tamper-evident holograms.

You created the lie and misconception.

I'm not the only maker you or anonymousminer have attacked, twisted narratives with and rallied MOBs against.

I tried explaining those sheets to you but you and anonymousminer got emotional. I for a year tried to set the record straight privately with you and anonymousminer. You both refused, when I went about setting the record straight publicly you continued to take it out of context as you still do.

These keys never affected anyone, yet you act like I committed murder.

[2stout]

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DO YOU SEE PRIVATE KEYS EXPOSED?—No you don’t.

You ignore the fact private keys were protected by tamper-evident holograms and never exposed.

Polyermbit received one of those sheets when I met him in person. He has seen that the backside of these sheets are protected with tamper-evident holograms.

You created the lie and misconception.

I'm not the only maker you have attacked and twisted narratives with.

I tried explaining those sheets to you but you and anonymousminer got emotional. I for a year tried to set the record straight privately with you and anonymousminer. You both refused, when I went about setting the record straight publicly you continued to take it out of context as you still do.

Can you provide a picture of the backside of the sheets showing they are protected with tamper-evident holograms?

[Kazkaz27]

Can you provide a picture of the backside of the sheets showing they are protected with tamper-evident holograms?

I never took pictures of the back, I wish I had. Polyermbit can confirm holograms on the back of the sheet he received which would match one of the copies in the original photo. Ask him, if he still has it and to take pictures front and back for your review.



I redacted his face in the image but that is me (on the right) and Polymerbit (on the left) exchanging signed items in Manila about 6 months ago. That's when I gifted him a sheet. Polymerbit had given me a red trust as well about a year ago because of those sheets until I explained to him the whole mess. He realized he misunderstood me and then he deleted the red trust he placed on me and we arranged to meet in Manila.

[MoparMiningLLC]

sigh. you asked me a question and while I did not want to post again. I will answer your question.

No I do not see exposed keys (of yours) but you do show an exposed Cas key and said you were offering the exact same thing. You also never showed the keys as covered in the sales thread -  you only showed the entire sheet enclosed between cardboard sheets with holos around the edge "protecting" the keys as you said back then.

I think it more likely that you added the holograms afterwards - which if so, good. Why not just say that originally? or show it? You never did though. You made the claim and then showed someone else a sheet months and months later that had holos over the keys.

Saying your sheets in the sales thread had the holos does not make sense. Some of those sheets were used - so that would mean your keys on items you made have 2 holograms? one over the key and then the one (which would need to be larger) over that to hold it to the coin.

I have had a dozen of your peeled coins come across my desk with the holos/keys attached. There was no second smaller hologram over the keys that I saw.

So, I stand by what I said, you were appearing to sell exposed keys, you made it seem they were exposed (once showing a Cas key exposed and said yours were the exact same thing) and you only ever showed full sheets between cardboard with a bunch of holos around the edges protecting the sheets - I think you said that would prove if anyone intercepted it in transit and viewed the keys - but that would not be possible if each key was individually already covered with a holo.

[Kazkaz27]

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I rallied you with my clickbait title and examples to try and explain things but the topic continued to get far to emotional. Again, zero issues with these sheets other than hurt feelings.

You make claims that are not evident. The private keys were never exposed and always protected tamper-evident. Accusations and misconceptions are what gets you and the MOB going. I told you to talk to Poylmerbit. You lied about engaging him regarding the keys. Ask him if he once gave me a red trust and deleted it. Ask him about the sheets.

To be honest I never thought you and your gang would take it this far. Mind you, thousands and thousands of keys generated—ZERO ISSUES.

I never used those sheets to build coins with, I made them for collectors and the purposes I already stated in the original thread.

[Mitchell]

I wanted to make a post as well as me, a regular member. Not a moderator, not Bitcointalk staff, just me. A dude that has been buying coins since 2013.


I've tried to structure my thoughts as much as I can.

In the original topic, KazKaz27 was selling ready-to-go private keys on double sided sheets, that would be delivered sandwiched between cardboard and marked with hologram seals.

There are no pictures of the actual backside, so it is unclear to me if the sheets came with holograms pre-applied over the private keys. I checked the first 39 posts and they only mentions tamper-proof holograms related to shipping:

On the front of the sheets are the QR codes which leads to the public addresses, on the back is the corresponding private key.

(I thought an avid collector may like them as a display piece or educational piece, although they can be used and are not compromised in any way currently, they will be sent sealed in a tamper evident manner so they are secured until seal is broken. .)

They are directly from me, a trusted source of key generation. Keys would be tamper evident sealed assuring they are not revealed during the shipping process. The moment one decided to actually open the seal and use the keys they are no longer just VIP Keys, they are VIP keys owned by whoever, which makes them responsible over them.

7. **Mitigation of Risks**: The seller has taken proactive steps to mitigate potential risks by implementing measures such as tamper-evident packaging and clear communication about the keys’ limitations. This demonstrates a commitment to ethical practices and consumer safety, further legitimizing the sale.

A month after the last post, Kazkaz27 mentions the private keys being protected by a tamper-proof hologram, which is the first mention of it, as far as I can tell:

Not much, actually. The first image displays a complete sheet (255 addresses) containing both public and private addresses, all safeguarded by tamper-evident holographic stickers. In contrast, the second image focuses on just one public and one private key, also protected by tamper-evident holographic stickers, though on a smaller scale.

If the holograms are applied now, they are just like any other pre-assembled private key. Would probably suggest anyone buying them for their own products to put another hologram over it, so it would be clear who rugged (so both parties are protected). Then again, from what I gather, this isn't their intended purpose, so all good.

If people are meant to just have fun with it, then it doesn't matter if they have a hologram. Then again, I would just make my own keys (getting the holograms seems a useful part of the service).


Whilst I do moderate the section, I don't read everything and this one somewhat fell through the cracks (read the OP, decided it wasn't for me and moved on). If I stepped in sooner, maybe we could have resolved it quicker, maybe not. Security is a pretty serious thing, especially after we all got rugged by Yogg (who I did consider a trusted person, until they weren't), lost a decent amount during that debacle.

TLDR: to me it feels like everything went a tad crazy due to being unsure how the private keys were actually secured. It reads like they weren't initially and then added later, which is fine, but if that was done from the start (or just mentioned), the amount of discussion could've been a lot lower. Now it became a Storm in a glass, amplified by lots of other people.

Anyway, I yapped enough as is, so I'll shut up now.


Side-note: I know you gave Polymerbit sheets that should have holograms on them and I did ask Polymerbit about the sheets specifically, but they are unwilling to give me their opinion until they are able to review the sheets later this year, so not much I can add/say based on that.

[Kazkaz27]

Side-note: I know you gave Polymerbit sheets that should have holograms on them and I did ask Polymerbit about the sheets specifically, but they are unwilling to give me their opinion until they are able to review the sheets later this year, so not much I can add/say based on that.

I appreciate your response Mitchell.

To be clear, they were always protected tamper-evident, and I was willing and open to discuss the sheets further up until the point anonymousminer gave me a red trust following Mopars and demanded the topic get locked. I can understand the confusion, although I attempted to speak privately with Mopar and anonymous regarding the sheets for a long time, which they refused. Anyone else I spoke with regarding those keys came to know what they were because I had the chance to fully explain them. That’s why Polymerbit who had also given me a red trust during that time had shortly after redacted it (within days).

What pushes me over the edge was that they took it out of context and went out of their way to rally members to join them in giving me red trusts regarding those sheets a year after.

I left it in the past but because members love to bring it up and never let it go even though they never negatively impacted anyone I am forced to continue to speak on the subject.

[eternalgloom]

The way you are offering thousand of private key even with tamper evident hologram still break the 1st rule that community has repeated for years.

'no private key should ever be seen by more than one person'

No matter how many hologram you add, this one reason alone creates a permanent place of distrust.

[Kazkaz27]

The way you are offering thousand of private key even with tamper evident hologram still break the 1st rule that community has repeated for years.

'no private key should ever be seen by more than one person'

No matter how many hologram you add, this one reason alone creates a permanent place of distrust.

I beg to differ. Holographic Tamper-evident protected private keys are secured. Doesn't matter if it’s 1 or 1000, the security feature is the same. The Maker of those keys is responsible.

“no private key should ever be seen by more than one person”.—This part is true. Once private keys are exposed to a second party it becomes problematic.

Another sentiment even better than trusting another person with your keys, such as an exchange or a Maker is to make your own keys.

If your point is “Not your keys, not your Bitcoin” then I get it.

[MoparMiningLLC]

as Mitchell quoted

they will be sent sealed in a tamper evident manner so they are secured until seal is broken. .)

This quote - which are your words from the sales thread - directly contradicts what you claim now. This references the only picture you posted of showing the "keys secured" which was sheets between cardboard sealed with holograms along all the edges. So, when you said "when that seal is broken" they are no longer secure, it references sheets that are not secure otherwise.

That statement would not apply or fit if the sheets had holograms over each key - the seal on the cardboard covers would actually be unnecessary. But what did you show? the seals on the cardboard over the sheets - what did you say? nothing about the individual keys - only about the seal on the cardboard over the sheets.

so while you may now put holograms over the private keys - it is quite evident you were not at the start. You may even have moved to putting them over the private keys based on our initial posts and trust feedback - which would be good - meaning you took the feedback and fixed the error. But when you lie and say it was always that way (to make it look like you made no error) - it only proves your untrustworthiness.

I think it safe to just leave you permanently on ignore and just pay no attention to your baiting/trolling.  All you ever end up doing is showing further your trustworthiness - I think that is evident by your fall in the trust ladder - you used to brag that you were 242nd out of thousands - since you started out on this rampage you have slipped from 242nd to where you are not even in the top 1000. I think it may be best if you just move on. Reputations can be repaired if you change your behavior. To continue on the path you currently are on, just diminishes it further with each bullshit post.
 

[Kazkaz27]

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I got battle scars from fighting the MOB’s tactics and defending myself as well as others. I am proud of that. I see real progress that I care more about. Like sales and auction threads protected from off-topic SPAM and more importantly your cults infinite allegations and shit posting. That War Won was worth the “damage”, what a small price to pay for communal justice. I don’t recall “bragging” about my trust rating, just pointing out the facts at the time. I see you are checking up on me. Must mean you're happy you succeeded in part of your agenda. I think the latest sales and auctions thread enforcement has far greater purpose and is worth bragging about. Hats off to Mitchell. I know those that tagged me red after you are your puppets. It's pretty clear. That being said, I consider most of their remarks strongly tied to your misplaced sentiments and agendas.

[DireWolfM14]

Another sentiment even better than trusting another person with your keys, such as an exchange or a Maker is to make your own keys.

If your point is “Not your keys, not your Bitcoin” then I get it.

So after 10 months of being dense, deflecting your own inadequacies onto others, harassing and abusing those attempting to talk sense into your thick skull, you finally get what everyone has been telling you?

What changed?  Did having your alt get banned finally get your grey matter to start clicking?

All this really show is how pointless it is to argue with you; you know everyone you're arguing with is right, but it takes you months and hundreds of text-walls to come to your senses.

And after all that you're still lying about how you used holograms to obfuscate the private keys.

[Kazkaz27]

Another sentiment even better than trusting another person with your keys, such as an exchange or a Maker is to make your own keys.

If your point is “Not your keys, not your Bitcoin” then I get it.

So after 10 months of being dense, deflecting your own inadequacies onto others, harassing and abusing those attempting to talk sense into your thick skull, you finally get what everyone has been telling you?

What changed?  Did having your alt get banned finally get your grey matter to start clicking?

All this really show is how pointless it is to argue with you; you know everyone you're arguing with is right, but it takes you months and hundreds of text-walls to come to your senses.

And after all that you're still lying about how you used holograms to obfuscate the private keys.

I don’t get you at all. Honestly, how would you respond to lies being told about you?

You came in about 4 months ago to stick up for anonymousminer. You feel like you have stuck up for a victim when in fact you stuck up for one of the most anonymous, hateful, insulting, and spiteful members on the forum. I haven't lied about the keys. Every single one of my private keys has always been protected, tamper-evident despite any past verbal confusion. The facts remain—ZERO ISSUES with the thousands of keys I made. You’ll never find my keys exposed unless you break the seals. At the end of the day, I dont care what you personally believe, you happen to be the farthest person I care to engage with but you like to follow me around and harass me. I already uttered the type of member you are.

They don’t know shit from Shinola. Talk about mental illness. They project everything they themselves are guilty of.

You wish to spread lies and false narratives, hence you being apart of the MOB and corruption of the DT1 system. The entire reason I condemned your status. I've had countless accusations thrown at me by you at this point. I know when you say “alt” you mean Howard. It's really crazy how no one else tells you how dumb that sounds especially being that me and Howard are verifiably two separate individuals. If you got a computer in front of you can do a Google search. In fact my FB link is in the 3rd response in this thread.

I feel like I got all my points across and I no longer care to repeat myself or have more bogus claims thrown towards me. Anyone who cares enough can deduce the accusations from what is evident given all the evidence on this thread provided.