BetPanda Provably Fair Original Games are not Provably Fair

[doggywin]

What happened::
Betpanda claims their original games (dice, turbo crash, etc.) are provably fair. Their provably fair is cleverly broken in a way that makes verification difficult when verifying normal bets, and impossible when verifying autobet.

In every other casino that claims provably fair - literally every single one - the system works like this: server seed stays the same, client seed stays the same, and the nonce increments with each bet. You can verify millions of rolls independently.

In Betpanda the nonce stays the same.   The server seed changes on every bet.   When you stop autobet, the server seed hash you saved before the session is useless after the first roll. You can only verify bet #1. You just have to trust them with the other rolls.  

If rolls cannot be independently verified, the system is not provably fair. (It is not my opinion, it is the definition. Don't be like they you don't have evidence they are manipulating rolls so I wearing Betpanda signature will aggressively vouch for the people behind this anonymous casino,...). They have a signature campaign here, and I find there is a lot of resistance to this.

In autobet, the server knows your client seed (fixed), your bet direction, and your bet amount. The server generates the server seed itself. With all that information, the server can selectively skip a winning seed and generate a new one before serving it. A 0.1 second delay from this is unnoticeable.

They don't manipulate every roll. But the system is designed so that under certain conditions - say a high bet relative to net deposits, or a big multiplier hit - the server can simply regenerate the seed. The player has no way to prove it happened.

This is similar to how 999dice operated for years before getting caught: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=948965.0
Extract from 999dice thread "So I started doing testing. I ran the API, using doge, and made over 1 million bets at a 95% win chance, and my final numbers were a 95.0172% win ratio (or something close). Which sure seems like the site is legit... except that although I had a 95% win ratio, I was still down more then I should have been.
How is that possible? Because the site only needs to make you lose a few extra times on larger bets to really punch your wallet, and that would never truly affect your win percentage when you're making a million rolls. It's especially bad with martingale strategy. 49.95% odds, 1 million rolls, you can have a 49.96% win result, yet be down hundreds of bitcoin, if you won a lot of 1st rolls, and the rolls that were faked were the ones where you're at the end of the run and betting 35 bitcoin. Fake just 10 rolls out of 10000 and you bring a 49.95% win ratio down to 49.85%, something that is perfectly within the bounds of random chance. Yet 10 faked rolls could cost you 350 bitcoin if they are timed just right."

I suspect Betpanda to be masking it in a different way. Small bets have a higher than normal chance of winning, and large bets have a smaller than normal chance of winning. My sample size is not large enough to draw any conclusions. But over my years of winning and losing, I notice statistically rare anomalies only in Betpanda. I never won a single large bet in original games. But I cannot prove it.

They also show Player RTP stats on the main page. This works as cover - keep the vast majority of rolls random, suppress big multipliers on big bets, add big multipliers on small bets, keep the displayed RTP near 99%. Earlier the RTP charts were too close to 99%, but last few weeks they have increased the variance to make it more realistic. If anyone questions the broken provably fair system, players look at the vouches given by randos getting paid weekly for their signature, or for running campaigns for them, and see their RTP number and think well it looks fine such a big anonymous casino cannot cheat. Actually they can. Even if they get caught, they can say oops mistake. It is the perfect crime.

What I can prove and what I can't:
Part one: Betpanda's autobet is not provably fair. This is a fact. Anyone can verify it in their own account right now. Set a client seed, make 2 bets on autobet, check if you had the server hash needed to verify the second bet. You didn't.

Part two: Betpanda is using this to manipulate rolls. For this, the undisputable evidence is in their server. I have observed anomalies (to be honest, this is barely enough evidence, even if I had documented them) and Betpanda meets every condition needed for manipulation, run by anonymous operators. I cannot hand you a smoking gun on this part.

But part one alone is enough. If it can't be verified, it's not provably fair. Claiming otherwise is fraud.

The fix is increment the nonce like every other dice site on the planet. They won't do it. Their original games were clearly designed for nonce increments, and they modified the system. Players have complained about this a year ago.

Betpanda should provide an explanation for why their autobet system doesn't increment nonces, and give an ETA for implementing a proper provably fair system where all rolls can be independently verified.

If neither happens, I will be leaving detailed negative trust feedback and encourage others who have tested this to do the same.

This is an anonymous casino.

Don't trust. Verify.

Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3675233

Reference Link:

https://betpanda.io/en/ (To test provably fair, use autobet on dice or other games, and observe that you cannot verify all bets other than the first bet. For example, if you make 100 bets on autobet, you cannot verify 99 bets since they change the server seed without providing you the hash instead of incrementing the nonce)

https://imgbox.com/g/H6w0cpUcao (Example results of autobet and manual bet where client seed is kept the same while server seed changes)

Amount Scammed: Unknown, probably in the millions of dollars

Payment Method: Crypto

Proof of Payment: N/A

PM/Chat Logs: N/A

Additional Notes: N/A

[T1HGO]

OP, i'm not gonna pretend to understand any of this, as i never played any games/slots ever, only sportsbook. But if you've seen any of my posts in this forum, you already know i am an avid betpanda hater. So any of this doesn't surprise me at all. Good to know they also scam at games/slots and not only sportsbook.

I've seen some of your posts in betpanda's thread, and this is a battle you cannot win. I've seen some users saying you're trying to jeopardize the great reputation betpanda has. I've said this in another thread, and i will say it here. Bitcointalk is one of the very few places betpanda has a good reputation. All it takes is a good signature campaign. Quick question: is betpanda's signature campaing the largest in this forum? It probably is. Other than that, there's BTCGOSU that gives them a good rating, and that's exactly how i fell into this scam. Everywhere else betpanda has poor reputation. It's easy to understand why.
 
I've created a flag against them, but obviously without any success. If you go ahead and create one yourself, point the way, i will support it. I know it's useless but at least it's a tiny step in exposing this garbage.

[doggywin]

OP, i'm not gonna pretend to understand any of this, as i never played any games/slots ever, only sportsbook. But if you've seen any of my posts in this forum, you already know i am an avid betpanda hater. So any of this doesn't surprise me at all. Good to know they also scam at games/slots and not only sportsbook.

I've seen some of your posts in betpanda's thread, and this is a battle you cannot win. I've seen some users saying you're trying to jeopardize the great reputation betpanda has. I've said this in another thread, and i will say it here. Bitcointalk is one of the very few places betpanda has a good reputation. All it takes is a good signature campaign. Quick question: is betpanda's signature campaing the largest in this forum? It probably is. Other than that, there's BTCGOSU that gives them a good rating, and that's exactly how i fell into this scam. Everywhere else betpanda has poor reputation. It's easy to understand why.
 
I've created a flag against them, but obviously without any success. If you go ahead and create one yourself, point the way, i will support it. I know it's useless but at least it's a tiny step in exposing this garbage.

Their slots are legit as far as I can see. The original games like dice are affected.

Some online casinos including Betpanda are using a sportsbook operator that flags any account that gets too lucky without any evidence.

[T1HGO]

Apologies for the initial imprecision. Reading things outside of sportsbook range like you wrote, is the same as reading mandarin for me.

As for the sportsbook part you wrote, you are somewhat correct. The sportsbook provider(betby) does indeed flag winning players. But that is fair and normal with any sportsbook provider. It's okay to flag winners since it's not profitable for casinos in the long run to keep winners for an extended period of time. The problem is while the legit casinos using betby, limit the player, betpanda bans and confiscates winnings. Flagging and limiting is okay. Robbing is not okay.

[Rating Place]

I'm not sure if their original games are crooked or not. BetPanda does so many things wrong that it's tough to give them the beneift of the doubt on anything. They say they are anonymous and VPN friendly. This leads people to believe they can play from a banned country through the use of a VPN. If you do play from a banned country and they KYC, your money will be confiscated.

I don't like to go into too many ANN threads but I wish that I could ask them about this predatory practice.

[T1HGO]

I'm not sure if their original games are crooked or not. BetPanda does so many things wrong that it's tough to give them the beneift of the doubt on anything. They say they are anonymous and VPN friendly. This leads people to believe they can play from a banned country through the use of a VPN. If you do play from a banned country and they KYC, your money will be confiscated.

I don't like to go into too many ANN threads but I wish that I could ask them about this predatory practice.

Dude, if they ask you for KYC, you are already cooked. No matter you're from. If you can find me 1, just one case where a player was asked to KYC, and didn't end up banned anyway, i will refer to you as Sherlock Holmes moving forward. The absolute best case scenario i've seen if they ask you KYC, is they return the deposit.

[Rating Place]

I'm not sure if their original games are crooked or not. BetPanda does so many things wrong that it's tough to give them the beneift of the doubt on anything. They say they are anonymous and VPN friendly. This leads people to believe they can play from a banned country through the use of a VPN. If you do play from a banned country and they KYC, your money will be confiscated.

I don't like to go into too many ANN threads but I wish that I could ask them about this predatory practice.

Dude, if they ask you for KYC, you are already cooked. No matter you're from. If you can find me 1, just one case where a player was asked to KYC, and didn't end up banned anyway, i will refer to you as Sherlock Holmes moving forward. The absolute best case scenario i've seen if they ask you KYC, is they return the deposit.

What I don't like it's a trap saying anonymous and VPN friendly. Even if taken to arbitration, you have no case from a banned country. Everything they do is shady.

[Zwei]

In Betpanda the nonce stays the same.   The server seed changes on every bet.   When you stop autobet, the server seed hash you saved before the session is useless after the first roll. You can only verify bet #1. You just have to trust them with the other rolls.  

what a fucking shitshow.

i just made a throwaway account to check, and it's true.
they keep the client seed and the nonce the same, but they change the server seed after each bet.

how did no one who played on betpanda not check this before untill now? this is crazy.



the entire point of a having provably fair system is for the server seed to not change after a player sets up their client seed, and should only be changed if the player requests a seed rotation.
if the house knows the client seed, and the nonce doesn't increments with each bet, they can rig every bet if they want to.

[doggywin]

In Betpanda the nonce stays the same.   The server seed changes on every bet.   When you stop autobet, the server seed hash you saved before the session is useless after the first roll. You can only verify bet #1. You just have to trust them with the other rolls.  

what a fucking shitshow.

i just made a throwaway account to check, and it's true.
they keep the client seed and the nonce the same, but they change the server seed after each bet.

how did no one who played on betpanda not check this before untill now? this is crazy.

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the entire point of a having provably fair system is for the server seed to not change after a player sets up their client seed, and should only be changed if the player requests a seed rotation.
if the house knows the client seed, and the nonce doesn't increments with each bet, they can rig every bet if they want to.

I have come across 2 players who were complaining of this for more than 1+ year.

They eventually gave up and went elsewhere - There is no player chat to discuss in the casino, support dismisses it, and places like this forum don't take these accusations seriously because the player will appear like a loser who is complaining, and most members here, not their fault, don't really understand provably fair as even the smallest casinos have defaulted to a working provably fair system.

RTP charts, reputation, etc. give a false assurance to players they don't realize that even if this is suspected, Betpanda can just ignore it, and even if it starts affecting their business, they can just claim it was an accident.

It took 20-40 years to find out Bernie Madoff was running a ponzi. All the signs were there, and there were accusations it was obviously a ponzi which went unnoticed. It is very easy to fool all of us, you won't think it is happening.

[memehunter]

this forum don't take these accusations seriously because the player will appear like a loser who is complaining

Not at all, some of us regularly read and decide based on merits. No one should ever feel that way.

not their fault, don't really understand provably fair

That is the main reason I am not involved. I have already expressed it in the ANN thread of Betpanda in this post. I have even raised similar concerns about one other platform.
It is good that you have posted a dedicated topic, now I am confident that more reputed and wise members like @Zwei and @Rating Place will notice it and Betpanda will take actions, avoiding these type of community concerns, is simply bad for business. 

[rohang]

In Betpanda the nonce stays the same.   The server seed changes on every bet.   When you stop autobet, the server seed hash you saved before the session is useless after the first roll. You can only verify bet #1. You just have to trust them with the other rolls.  

what a fucking shitshow.

i just made a throwaway account to check, and it's true.
they keep the client seed and the nonce the same, but they change the server seed after each bet.

how did no one who played on betpanda not check this before untill now? this is crazy.



the entire point of a having provably fair system is for the server seed to not change after a player sets up their client seed, and should only be changed if the player requests a seed rotation.
if the house knows the client seed, and the nonce doesn't increments with each bet, they can rig every bet if they want to.

saw something like this on X as well,

Most people never verify their bets so its possible this wasnt found before, betpanda has alot of other issues as well. Now they have even stopped the sig campaign so may be unlikely they respond to this

[doggywin]

Apologies for the initial imprecision. Reading things outside of sportsbook range like you wrote, is the same as reading mandarin for me.

As for the sportsbook part you wrote, you are somewhat correct. The sportsbook provider(betby) does indeed flag winning players. But that is fair and normal with any sportsbook provider. It's okay to flag winners since it's not profitable for casinos in the long run to keep winners for an extended period of time. The problem is while the legit casinos using betby, limit the player, betpanda bans and confiscates winnings. Flagging and limiting is okay. Robbing is not okay.

Betby is not doing anything fair or normal. They are using AI to identify accounts as "suspicious betting behavior," "arbitrage," "value betting," or placing bets at "wrong odds.", and their AI hands out flags like big winning streak = flag. Betby gives this AI flag to Betpanda or others without manual check (saves $$ by hiring less, I guess).

Betpanda and some other sportsbooks that use Betby gives a shitty explanation like ToS violated or copy and paste the AI flag from Betby to keep the player's money. Taking the big winners money and the losers money is extremely profitable.

Betby too is responsible in these by claiming they have cutting edge technology and flagging legitimate winning streaks as suspicious, and should be accused. If you lost money email them too request a manual check and if amount is large enough consider legal options info@betby.com

Platforms that abuse betby AI flags to seize player funds, worst first - Betpanda,  BC game, Foruntejack, Betfury, Coins game
Platforms that handle AI flags better - 500 casino, Rollbit

this forum don't take these accusations seriously because the player will appear like a loser who is complaining

Not at all, some of us regularly read and decide based on merits. No one should ever feel that way.

not their fault, don't really understand provably fair

That is the main reason I am not involved. I have already expressed it in the ANN thread of Betpanda in this post. I have even raised similar concerns about one other platform.
It is good that you have posted a dedicated topic, now I am confident that more reputed and wise members like @Zwei and @Rating Place will notice it and Betpanda will take actions, avoiding these type of community concerns, is simply bad for business.  

Earnbet originals are not provably fair, but it is quite obvious they are not provably fair. They are a lazy ass casino where bugs take weeks to fix, had a big incident where they paid withdrawals twice lost probably $50k-$200k, withdrawals on weekends take a day or more, etc.

I don't suspect Earnbet of manipulating bets. Possible, but low risk.

Betpanda is well-funded, almost instant withdrawals, no live chat, and their original games had functioning provably fair which they removed. They correct most bugs within hours, and this provably fair is actually a very easy fix. Why are they not correcting their provably fair system despite highroller complaints for more than a year?