BetPanda Provably Fair Original Games are not Provably Fair [OPEN]

[holydarkness]

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is 40 bets the max they show in bet history? i don't play on betpanda, so i missed this.
but yeah, what's the point of fixing the provably fair system if players can't check their full (or at least the last 3 months or something like that) bet history to verify them.

they are "fast" to address things when it's bad for business, let's see if they would add a real bet history now that this is brought up.

Uhh... I am currently in delayed-slow-response chat with them, let me ask them about this and update you about that, if they don't get their own officials to address the maximum entries on betting history.


bitbollo, to maintain transparency that I didn't leave your concern hanging dry, I've read your PM and I can understand your position. Do you mind to give me a follow up PM with your username or email address so I can get my contact to look into your account and maybe work into something?

[bitbollo]

@holydarkness
They have to address this issue because their dice games was not properly setup or "provably fair system" as already admitted ( )
 
Even if they are still NOT allowing any kind of check (limit of 40 bets)... it seems people have lose money for their fault, can lose again or at least this is a "faith system" = You had to have faith on their probably fair.
You can't verify nothing - hence you can't show their long streak - something rare like mining a valid block.

About username, I am using the same also on their platform... they are aware of the issue since has not highlighted only one time (see also request in chat of previous bets).

Thanks for share this issue.

[holydarkness]

@holydarkness
They have to address this issue because their dice games was not properly setup or "provably fair system" as already admitted ( )
 
Even if they are still NOT allowing any kind of check (limit of 40 bets)... it seems people have lose money for their fault, can lose again or at least this is a "faith system" = You had to have faith on their probably fair.
You can't verify nothing - hence you can't show their long streak - something rare like mining a valid block.

About username, I am using the same also on their platform... they are aware of the issue since has not highlighted only one time (see also request in chat of previous bets).

Thanks for share this issue.

Umm... please wait a little, if you don't mind? I am currently in delayed-response chat with them and tackling another issue, I'll bring your username to them once we cleared that out, mostly because I can barely focus on things [I even need to think hard to recall names] because this is Wednesday and uhh... it's a wild day for me that I mostly close with me soaking myself in nice hot bath.

[T1HGO]

As i said previously, i can completely out of my depth in this subject. No clue about anything about things not sportsbook related.
However i have a question. Does anyone know for how long this "anomaly" has been there?

according to OP, this issue was raised 1 year ago but got ignored, so i'll assume it's always been there.

So, it's highly likely this issue has been going on since their launch back in 2023? Damn, that's alot of time. How can something like this go unnoticed for so long? Is it a hard thing to spot?

[holydarkness]

As i said previously, i can completely out of my depth in this subject. No clue about anything about things not sportsbook related.
However i have a question. Does anyone know for how long this "anomaly" has been there?

according to OP, this issue was raised 1 year ago but got ignored, so i'll assume it's always been there.

So, it's highly likely this issue has been going on since their launch back in 2023? Damn, that's alot of time. How can something like this go unnoticed for so long? Is it a hard thing to spot?

Umm... I might be wrong because we're talking about a lot of stuff this morning, but I think my contact will get the rep who handle the forum account to pop back here to address a thing or two. If not, though, bitbollo, I've raised your username to my contact, but they can't look into it as they need your email address to zeroing into your account. If you don't mind to PM me?

[Zwei]

As i said previously, i can completely out of my depth in this subject. No clue about anything about things not sportsbook related.
However i have a question. Does anyone know for how long this "anomaly" has been there?

according to OP, this issue was raised 1 year ago but got ignored, so i'll assume it's always been there.

So, it's highly likely this issue has been going on since their launch back in 2023? Damn, that's alot of time. How can something like this go unnoticed for so long? Is it a hard thing to spot?

i think it's because a lot of players don't even check their bets or know how a provably fair system works/should work, they just see a casino advertising as being provably fair and they believe that at face value.

i bet if we go on a witch hunt, we would find many casinos who are not provably fair, but they claim they are.
just in the last few months i came across 2 other rather known casinos who were like that (winna and monkeytilt), so i won't be surprised if there are more.

[doggywin]

@holydarkness
I think this issue has not yet been fully addressed:
- they are still not allowing to verify more than 40 bets. "probably fair" but doesn't allow to see/verify bets? What happens for a session with auto bets? Would you bet that casually they have ALL bets stored but just doesn't want to show because .... ?
- they have not addressed this issue for years (was well known and has just been ignored). Who is their game provider/designer? Any site sharing the same setup (that doesn't allow to verify the bets) has something shady to hide.
- they don't confirm other questions made by Zwei and T1HGO.

Confirmed only 40 bets can be verified. No page 2 or bet log.

As i said previously, i can completely out of my depth in this subject. No clue about anything about things not sportsbook related.
However i have a question. Does anyone know for how long this "anomaly" has been there?

according to OP, this issue was raised 1 year ago but got ignored, so i'll assume it's always been there.

So, it's highly likely this issue has been going on since their launch back in 2023? Damn, that's alot of time. How can something like this go unnoticed for so long? Is it a hard thing to spot?

i think it's because a lot of players don't even check their bets or know how a provably fair system works/should work, they just see a casino advertising as being provably fair and they believe that at face value.

i bet if we go on a witch hunt, we would find many casinos who are not provably fair, but they claim they are.
just in the last few months i came across 2 other rather known casinos who were like that (winna and monkeytilt), so i won't be surprised if there are more.

Majority of casinos claiming to be provably fair are provably fair.

Winna, Monkeytilt you can contact the support to get the bet records and provably fair, and that is usable as they don't change server seed.

Betpanda even if you get the bet records and provably fair history, the changing server seed makes it unusable.

Betpanda knew of this for at least about a year. As far as I know, Winna and Monkeytilt corrected their issues within reasonable time.

As i said previously, i can completely out of my depth in this subject. No clue about anything about things not sportsbook related.
However i have a question. Does anyone know for how long this "anomaly" has been there?

according to OP, this issue was raised 1 year ago but got ignored, so i'll assume it's always been there.

So, it's highly likely this issue has been going on since their launch back in 2023? Damn, that's alot of time. How can something like this go unnoticed for so long? Is it a hard thing to spot?

Yes, it was always there, at first, some of the bets didn't change the server seed while some of bets did (which was even more suspicious). In the last few months, every bet changed server seed.

Please send us a DM with the email associated with your Betpanda account and we will add something nice to your account.

For the record, I had send them my email last month, if I get anything I will make it public.


After implementing provably fair I noticed that you have cut your promotions budget by tens of thousands of dollars by removing weekly slots and weekly live games leaderbaord prizes and added a smaller raffle. Can't manipulate bets and profitability affected?