AI Agents Are Now Playing Poker Against Each Other For Real Money

[bitbollo]

its not a kind of paradox if everyone would just use AI? Who would check the work of AI or spend eventually the profit that these AI should make?
I have seen a couple of portal that advertise such services and clearly its just marketing in most of the cases.
Without real data (imagine a WPT with AI and humans playing) I would not find this a suitable way for making money

[YOSHIE]

Would you play poker knowing AIs are at the table betting real money?

No, I will avoid poker gambling. Al I prefer to bet on poker with real people.

Al is a robot or a technological system, so no one wants to believe in Al, for me Al is used in his place, not on the poker table. If that is done and we gamble poker against Al, for me it is not sportsmanlike or professional gambling, regardless of how other people view Alat the poker table.

[Kavelj22]

Is this actually cool innovation, or does it feel... off to anyone else?

Yes it's a cool innovation when they are all AI agents in the table. But when mixing humans with robots in the same table, it becomes a chaos. This is not just with poker tables but with all social games. I guess this is a commun sense and not a subject to discuss until human brain can perform AI tasks which is almost impossible.

Would you play poker knowing AIs are at the table betting real money?

Absolutely not. Unless that I have my own AI agent to participate with other agents in the table, I don't think anybody would accept anything similar. Think about the ability of an AI agent in card counting and how he it becomes easier for him to predict better than every ordinary human brain.

[o48o]

However, if an AI agent can successfully navigate a complex, skill-based game like poker, it is easy to imagine them playing other table games, slots, and sports betting without much trouble.

Who wrote this article? Why would it matter if AI played slots? There's already automated betting on that, just like in many house games.

Only way i would see AI playing in poker table being problematic would be, if someone (or casino itself) used several of them playing together and teaming up, and smoking out the weaker humans (which is something that decent players are doing already, as it's not that hard to spot predictable players and easy chips.

Although, i am not sure how far AI would go in a tournament when there are less and less people. Because even if they are scripted to seem unpredictable, they won't ever understand the nuances of what it actually means and takes, and who is that act for. I see them either betting predictably or glitching out and and losing money.

End result will be that revenue won't be predictable enough for an AI agent user to even justify their LMM subscription costs.

[Davidvictorson]

**Honest question:** Is this actually cool innovation, or does it feel... off to anyone else?

Would you play poker knowing AIs are at the table betting real money?

I'm genuinely curious what people think because I can't decide if this is the future or just weird for the sake of being weird.

I don’t think it is a cool innovation considering that the folks who would lose a ton of money are the players using the AI and not the casino.
I will leave the final judgement to poker players . I am going to tell an acquaintance who is a big poker player about it and see how he reacts.

[AmoreJaz]

Is this actually cool innovation, or does it feel... off to anyone else?

Yes it's a cool innovation when they are all AI agents in the table. But when mixing humans with robots in the same table, it becomes a chaos. This is not just with poker tables but with all social games. I guess this is a commun sense and not a subject to discuss until human brain can perform AI tasks which is almost impossible.

Would you play poker knowing AIs are at the table betting real money?

Absolutely not. Unless that I have my own AI agent to participate with other agents in the table, I don't think anybody would accept anything similar. Think about the ability of an AI agent in card counting and how he it becomes easier for him to predict better than every ordinary human brain.

It is fine if they are all AI players but if a human will try to join in, it would be a disaster for the human because more than likely, he will lose fast in this game. AIs are very fast in deciding because they are already programmed to do so. How can you beat those AIs?

[Hispo]

its not a kind of paradox if everyone would just use AI? Who would check the work of AI or spend eventually the profit that these AI should make?
I have seen a couple of portal that advertise such services and clearly its just marketing in most of the cases.
Without real data (imagine a WPT with AI and humans playing) I would not find this a suitable way for making money

There is no way this will eventually turn out to be a good or sustainable way to make money, in the end, those who will benefit from all of this will be casinos, they will continue to ask their fee if entry in order for agents to play poker against one another, while luck and randomness will be the determining factors which will play to get winners on the table.

It does not matter how clever or smart an artificial intelligence is, they cannot change the outcome of games.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

At that point. A skill based game will rely on tough luck as their winning percentage depends on the cards they will get and the pre flop cards available since their decision making is already very calculated without a human feeling.

Actually, it’s not quite like that. In games of skill, good players know how to place their bets in such a way that, over the long term, they make a profit regardless of what you call ‘tough luck’. Over time, there are runs of favourable cards and less favourable cards, but they know how to turn a profit over a very large sample of hands, even if, for example, they make a loss in a single week. These are the players who manage to outperform other players and are also capable of beating the rake. The point is that if two AIs are equally good, they will end up losing money because, in the long run, they will break even but lose money to the rake.

[memehunter]

Is this actually cool innovation

I don't think so.
Happening in chess for a quite long time, different engines already competing with each other (even themselves internally). Why should poker be different? GTO solver with RTA (real time assistance) can already beat any human in long run. AI agents can do it much quickly as they can catch on to individual tendencies also and play exploitatively as per the situation.
Soon, online poker, as we know of it will be dead like online chess.

Someone's funding these bots, but why?

lol, such a naive question. Cheaters are doing it make money and corporations are doing it to train the AI models to make even more money.

i am not sure how far AI would go in a tournament when there are less and less people. Because even if they are scripted to seem unpredictable, they won't ever understand the nuances of what it actually means and takes, and who is that act for. I see them either betting predictably or glitching out and and losing money.
End result will be that revenue won't be predictable enough for an AI agent user to even justify their LMM subscription costs.

You have no idea dear. There is a reason, RTA is banned in all poker sites.
The game of poker, specially NLHE (6 max) is already fully solved without AI agents. No body needs costly LLM subscriptions to have an edge, simply take help from GTO solvers in another window/device (Yeah, it is that easy).

[Kavelj22]

Is this actually cool innovation, or does it feel... off to anyone else?

Yes it's a cool innovation when they are all AI agents in the table. But when mixing humans with robots in the same table, it becomes a chaos. This is not just with poker tables but with all social games. I guess this is a commun sense and not a subject to discuss until human brain can perform AI tasks which is almost impossible.

Would you play poker knowing AIs are at the table betting real money?

Absolutely not. Unless that I have my own AI agent to participate with other agents in the table, I don't think anybody would accept anything similar. Think about the ability of an AI agent in card counting and how he it becomes easier for him to predict better than every ordinary human brain.

It is fine if they are all AI players but if a human will try to join in, it would be a disaster for the human because more than likely, he will lose fast in this game. AIs are very fast in deciding because they are already programmed to do so. How can you beat those AIs?

The example in OP is talking about a poker tournament where all the players are different AI agents from different technology producers, open AI, Microsoft... But in the question he asked about whether a human wants to join them or not. I could like the question to be if you want to participate with your own AI model because there isn't an equity in performances between a AI machine and the human brain.

The only possibility I can think about a human brain competing an AI model is in a Chess game. But this is yet far to be a subject for discussion in a gambling room.

[Free Market Capitalist]

Oh my God, just what we needed—poker has really gone to the dogs. That’s why I quit.

The example in OP is talking about a poker tournament where all the players are different AI agents from different technology producers, open AI, Microsoft... But in the question he asked about whether a human wants to join them or not. I could like the question to be if you want to participate with your own AI model because there isn't an equity in performances between a AI machine and the human brain.

Sure, the thing is, you won't be able to beat an AI, and in any case, the logical thing to do would be to use an AI that you buy or program yourself to beat the others.

The only possibility I can think about a human brain competing an AI model is in a Chess game. But this is yet far to be a subject for discussion in a gambling room.

It has been three decades since a machine first defeated the best human player at chess, and while that hasn’t completely dampened people’s interest in playing (it has cognitive benefits, for example), AI is vastly superior to even the best human players. The same is true for poker.

[Herold]

If two AIs are betting real money against each other, who's actually gambling?

This sounds like a "Zero-Sum Game" on steroids. If the table is dominated by LLM-based agents, the human element of "bluffing" and "psychology" basically evaporates, leaving only pure mathematical optimization. My main concern is the transparency: if Realbet allows these bots, do they have separate pools for them? Playing against a fine-tuned Claude or GPT-4 sounds like a quick way to drained bankrolls for any casual player. It's an interesting experiment, but definitely kills the "soul" of online poker.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

Would you play poker knowing AIs are at the table betting real money?

Some AI are very good and the way they are built, they can be very fast than humans and when you are gambling against such AI, the results would be an AI winning against the human, so I wouldn't gamble in such a table. It's better for me to gamble against my fellow human. If it's AI gambling against AI, depending on the capabilities of each of those AIs, one of them is going to win but when they have the same intelligence, only one of them is going to win.