How do you know if games are rigged

[TheUltraElite]

Games which are provably fair can be verified.

For sports betting, I dont think games are always rigged because if that was the case, the players would be removed from further participation and they would be risking their careers. Its not that it does not happen because smaller scale games might have some sort of rigging happening.

As far as Table Tennis is concerned, the high speeds of the game I refuse to believe that rigging is happening on the international level games.

[Agbe]

Match fixing does happen in sports, maybe not in the top leagues but it does happen a lot in local or smaller leagues. A few years ago, there was a popular scandal of match fixing ring in cricket. It’s not so difficult to do, they just need to get a key player to change the outcome of the game.

Aha! I have not experienced it oh. I have not bet on cricket game too and I am only betting on football and some few slot games with spin and Crash games. But that is bad for any casino to rig the outcome of a game. I have not seen it football.

[Ishicryptic]

Casinos and sport betting sites do not need to rig games before they will make money. The house edges are enough.

Reputation matters so much in casinos, if a casino has proven that it can be trusted they won't have any reasons to rig their games because their house edge is enough to keep their business going. Rigging in sports bet will always be external which you cannot blame the gambling site, it is sports players and officials that can rig games and casinos won't have any choice but to comply and pay winners at the end of every games. I would be skeptical about new and unregulated casinos because they have not gained any trust, they need to stand the test of time to convince gamblers that they can be trusted.

[Joeboy]

Some sports are easier to rig than others but when a game is rigged, there are many ways to know them. There are some games you will see players practically make mistakes that you will know they were intentional, those mistakes are how games are rigged. The referee can also follow in the rigging as he can award penalty, cancel goal or make decision that will make it obvious that something is at play. In games like Table tennis, it is even easier to rig games and no one will know it was rigged.

Seeing players/ or ref making mistakes that may sometimes look intentional isn't always evidences that point to a game being rigged.... Some of those mistakes either from the part of the player or from the referee may sometimes be caused by various other factor for example the players at that time may be in a very bad form and coz of that he may start underplaying below what we the viewer expects from them... And in the case of the referee decision in awarding penalty or cancelling a goal when he isn't supposed to, well we could also say that they could also be a sort of logical explanation to that sudden misbehavior from the ref, for example the ref may be under a lot of pressure or fatigued coz some ref gets fatigued...

[Localhostspeed]

The reason why most people usually love to stick with sports betting is because it's actually hard to rigged because it a global game where everyone is watching the game live, so even though you see that the game doesn't end as it should be you would easily noticed or detects out unlike other slot games where you wouldn't know that they are rigged. Although, there are people who are that smart enough to easily detects that their games are being rigged and, if the site is not a provably fair site.

So, let discusse, is that the only way you think sports betting (matches) could be rigged, compared to slots game?

I don't think it's easy to rigged professional football in the first place, this is why if you must gamble, make sure you place money on professional matches like Premier league, Laliga, Bundesliga and some other European leagues. There maybe some mistakes in officiating and due to ref errors calls but you can't rigged this kind of matches because if any player is caught manipulating match, they get banned for it. They are not allow to bet on their games.

The leagues where manipulation occur are the leagues where attentions are not given which is why you must avoid casino that are highly manipulated and are rigged. In such matches, even the players bet on their games which is not proper. You don't know what to expect in those kind of results as the players can do anything they want. Imagine a player conive with another player to have yellow card and bet thousands of money on it, that's something that's likely going to occur.

[HONDACD125]

But provable fairness doesn't apply to sports betting. It isn't as if results of sports games could be proven fair or not by the use of seed or the blockchain.

But, yeah, I agree that sports games are hard to get fixed because there'd be many eyes to notice if there's something not right in the way the games are played or in the results. If the results or the games themselves don't seem right, they could be replayed over and over again and get investigated for being too questionable.

You probably didn't understand the question or the topic of the discussion from OP. It is not about the matches being fixed or not, it's about the sportsbooks rigging the bets of their bettors and somehow making them lose even when they have or are winning, and obviously, it's not that easy because anything that happens in a sports game on the ground will be known by everyone, so a sportsbook can't change anything, unlike a casino game where they can make changes in it and decrease the winning chances for the players so that they lose more than they win.

If a game is fixed either from the management or the players, the sportsbook is in no way responsible for anything, like if you have chosen one side to win, but the other side wins, and later they find out that the team that have won actually won because the other team had fixed the match, but since the side you chose have lost already, I don't think the sportsbook is going to compensate you and all other bettors for that. It's not their responsibility because they also didn't have any idea about what is going to happen.

[Bluedrem]

Games which are provably fair can be verified.

For sports betting, I dont think games are always rigged because if that was the case, the players would be removed from further participation and they would be risking their careers. Its not that it does not happen because smaller scale games might have some sort of rigging happening.

As far as Table Tennis is concerned, the high speeds of the game I refuse to believe that rigging is happening on the international level games.

Yes, not every match is fixed, but sometimes some matches are. And those fixed matches increase people's suspicions that the matches they are betting on are actually being fixed.
A player may receive a large sum of money for fixing a match, but they should also remember that if they can stay with the team for a long time, the total amount of money will be several times higher.

[Stablexcoin]

Seeing players/ or ref making mistakes that may sometimes look intentional isn't always evidences that point to a game being rigged.... Some of those mistakes either from the part of the player or from the referee may sometimes be caused by various other factor for example the players at that time may be in a very bad form and coz of that he may start underplaying below what we the viewer expects from them... And in the case of the referee decision in awarding penalty or cancelling a goal when he isn't supposed to, well we could also say that they could also be a sort of logical explanation to that sudden misbehavior from the ref, for example the ref may be under a lot of pressure or fatigued coz some ref gets fatigued...

In this case a referee cannot be 100% sure of a decision. No wonder the system introduced the VAR system that helps the referee when to make a decision seem difficult. All the same, the VAR system is not always right as human we have different conclusion on things. When others see that a decision from the referee is right another person will say it is wrong. These are controversial moment in football and that is what make it more interesting to watch. It doesnt mean the game is rigged, becase if the game is so perfect it will be boring to watch.

[Fredomago]

Some sports are easier to rig than others but when a game is rigged, there are many ways to know them. There are some games you will see players practically make mistakes that you will know they were intentional, those mistakes are how games are rigged. The referee can also follow in the rigging as he can award penalty, cancel goal or make decision that will make it obvious that something is at play. In games like Table tennis, it is even easier to rig games and no one will know it was rigged.

Seeing players/ or ref making mistakes that may sometimes look intentional isn't always evidences that point to a game being rigged.... Some of those mistakes either from the part of the player or from the referee may sometimes be caused by various other factor for example the players at that time may be in a very bad form and coz of that he may start underplaying below what we the viewer expects from them... And in the case of the referee decision in awarding penalty or cancelling a goal when he isn't supposed to, well we could also say that they could also be a sort of logical explanation to that sudden misbehavior from the ref, for example the ref may be under a lot of pressure or fatigued coz some ref gets fatigued...

In most cases, it's the officials or some of those players who are involve in rigging games will be seen on how they do the act, I mean in the side of the officials there are miscalls or there are calls that we see clearly that opposite to what we now is the right call, while with the players, those types of mistakes or those missed easy shots which we seen clearly that intentionally being played, those kinds of act stated the participation of rigging the outcome of the game that they participated.

[KiaKia]

It's hard to know if a casino games are rigged, all you have to do is trust the games providers, there is nothing left that will reveal to you that the casino game is been rigged or that they are cheating gamblers.

Sports bets is even harder, there is no way to know if a football match is been rigged somehow, sometimes ago in some past matches referee are been targeted for being nice to a team more than the other, the actions speaks louder but that's how far you are going to get.

Even if you find out on your own, what are you going to do? Someone who is trying to make money through gambling clearly don't have the power to fight injustice and scam like this.

[TedMosby]

Slots and other casino games: the rigging could come from the algorithm (system).
Sports betting: the rigging could come from the people involved in the game, directly and indirectly.

I believe most of us lose more on slots or other casino games than on sports betting. We all know the system is designed that way. However, when a match is fixed, we just can't accept it the same way we accept losses from the algorithm, because it's purely due to humans. Humans just being human

IMO, I believe in sports betting like football, for example, some matches are fixed. It may not be the full time score, but it could be other things like the number of goals scored, number of corners, players to score, etc. Some football teams have sponsorships with online gambling companies. It would not be a surprise if they have some matches that are allowed for a "minor" manipulation.

[Emitdama]

Popular games also have cheating, but it is relatively rare. It is possible to detect cheating in sports, although it takes time to detect it and if you are a gambler, you will definitely lose money. But you can be sure that the cheaters will be punished and exposed in public. This ensures that cheating in popular games is very rare, so you can feel a little safe. It is difficult to detect cheating in slot games, since no one is watching the game except you.

Yeah, casino and especially slots rigging is nearly impossible to detect because each spin is unique. In a round of roulette where many players bet, if the dealer tries to manipulate the result using the sleight of hand trick, a lot of people will notice it and report and it will be chaos because many people bet on that and they have video proof to support it. But in slots, each spin is unique to the player and even if you feel like the RTP is substantially less than what's mentioned, you can't do much about it.

It's always better to know slots from reputed providers because they usually don't rely on rigging and earn through heavy wager volume. A lot of new providers are available these days but I always feel best when playing slots from known providers like Hacksaw, Nolimit, Pragmatic, etc.

[Achalugo BTC]

Reputation matters so much in casinos, if a casino has proven that it can be trusted they won't have any reasons to rig their games because their house edge is enough to keep their business going. Rigging in sports bet will always be external which you cannot blame the gambling site, it is sports players and officials that can rig games and casinos won't have any choice but to comply and pay winners at the end of every games. I would be skeptical about new and unregulated casinos because they have not gained any trust, they need to stand the test of time to convince gamblers that they can be trusted.

Well, for the benefits of the players, they should bet with the amount in which they can let go incase if they find themselves in any situation like this so they won't be taken unaware because things like this does happen, some might be mistakes for some casinos which are fair and  transparent in their way, which has gain trust and a good reputation from the players, which the players might think its a mistakes or something else happen. Meanwhile, players are to be vigilant and observant in order to be at the safer side.

[pixlpunks]

It's hard to tell and I think it's just an open problem forever. On-chain verification is the closest thing we can do   and then yeah, reputation.

[Pandu Geddon]

Some football teams have sponsorships with online gambling companies. It would not be a surprise if they have some matches that are allowed for a "minor" manipulation.

It seems there has been a discussion about a topic like that before. How those sponsored by casinos or betting sites can remain neutral, or maybe some might make small arrangements for some of their matches. But that shouldn’t happen. They are indeed sponsors but not club owners. Perhaps in sports that involve individuals, arrangements are very possible. But for team sports like football, it might be difficult to control an arrangement. Although in certain cases, an arrangement does indeed occur.

[imthegreat]

The reason why most people usually love to stick with sports betting is because it's actually hard to rigged because it a global game where everyone is watching the game live, so even though you see that the game doesn't end as it should be you would easily noticed or detects out unlike other slot games where you wouldn't know that they are rigged. Although, there are people who are that smart enough to easily detects that their games are being rigged and, if the site is not a provably fair site.

So, let discusse, is that the only way you think sports betting (matches) could be rigged, compared to slots game?

Once upon a time, I believed that all crypto casinos had the main goal of honesty, because they should not talk about withdrawing and depositing money in cryptocurrencies, but rather about how the blockchain can confirm any card deal or dice throw.
Therefore, every gambler will see that their money was not lost due to the tricks of the online casino or the bookmaker, but rather because their luck was not on their side that day. I was very disappointed to learn that this wasn't actually happening, and many casinos were using crypto as a way to stay on top of technological trends.

[sompitonov]

It seems there has been a discussion about a topic like that before. How those sponsored by casinos or betting sites can remain neutral, or maybe some might make small arrangements for some of their matches. But that shouldn’t happen. They are indeed sponsors but not club owners. Perhaps in sports that involve individuals, arrangements are very possible. But for team sports like football, it might be difficult to control an arrangement. Although in certain cases, an arrangement does indeed occur.

I also think this could happen, but it's so difficult to implement that, in my opinion, it's practically impossible. However, technology is advanced today, and people have become incredibly smart and cunning, and if they need money, they can create such fraudulent schemes. I think there are even fans who follow their favorite clubs for years, as well as professional bettors, who will spot any minor errors in matches specifically designed to favor the underdog. Bookmakers are likely involved in all of this, but as you can tell, if there's no evidence, it's all just empty talk without foundation.

[Humblevirus]

The reason why most people usually love to stick with sports betting is because it's actually hard to rigged because it a global game where everyone is watching the game live, so even though you see that the game doesn't end as it should be you would easily noticed or detects out unlike other slot games where you wouldn't know that they are rigged. Although, there are people who are that smart enough to easily detects that their games are being rigged and, if the site is not a provably fair site.

So, let discusse, is that the only way you think sports betting (matches) could be rigged, compared to slots game?

As for me, I don’t know whether slot games are rigged or not. However, one of the main reasons why people play sports betting is not because they believe it isn’t rigged, but because they think it is easier to predict, since it is played physically and not purely based on programming.As for slot games, they are program based, and nobody can really analyze or predict the outcome unless someone is just lucky. So, gamblers who play slot games believe it is all about luck and not prediction.

Now, what I want you to understand is that even if slot games are not always rigged, if they were, casinos where people win large amounts of money but refuse to pay customers would not allow such wins in the first place. So, if someone is gambling blindly without any real reasoning, they should not be surprised by whatever result they get. am not in support of any form of gambling, but I feel that slot games are not necessarily rigged. It’s just that the nature of the game makes people think they are.

[Fortify]

The reason why most people usually love to stick with sports betting is because it's actually hard to rigged because it a global game where everyone is watching the game live, so even though you see that the game doesn't end as it should be you would easily noticed or detects out unlike other slot games where you wouldn't know that they are rigged. Although, there are people who are that smart enough to easily detects that their games are being rigged and, if the site is not a provably fair site.

So, let discusse, is that the only way you think sports betting (matches) could be rigged, compared to slots game?

If the rigging is done right, you'll simply never know. One key thing that will reduce the chances of playing in a rigged game is sticking with the biggest leagues across the world and those in the same richest countries. For things like basketball that means a single league, the NBA. However football you are fairly safe with the premier league, la liga, series 1, etc. These players get paid the most of any in their sport and have the least incentive to cheat. It's not impossible, but they also have the most eyes on them which is more likely to flag up suspicious activity and get it reported. Minor and obscure leagues are sadly much more vulnerable to abuse like this, it has been proven time and again.

[len01]

So, let discusse, is that the only way you think sports betting (matches) could be rigged, compared to slots game?

I agree with some people here who say that sports betting can still be manipulated. Even if we realize it, we tend to accept it because it only happens once or a few times across several matches. For example, you might watch a football match where a player clearly should be penalized for a handball, but the referee decides it is not a foul. However, this kind of manipulation tends to occur more often in smaller or local leagues.