When can it be called merit abuse.

[SuperBitMan]

I know one has the right to send any number of merit to any post he likes.

I just want to ask this question.

If someone sent 10, 30, or 50 merit to another member on a post post that is really not that good but just okay, and that user that was sent that merit has not sent back merit to the user that sent him that amount of merit, can it be said that or called merit abuse.

At what point can someone TAG a user for merit abuse, or at what point can it be said a user has abused the merit system.

Is it only when merit is distributed between two or more people, we all send merit to each other so at what point can it be called merit abuse.
 

 Edit: look at this POST can it said what happened their was merit abuse.

[Rikafip]

At what point can someone TAG a user for merit abuse, or at what point can it be said a user has abused the merit system.

Afaik, when he sells merit, or when he sends merit to his alts.

[BlackBoss_]

I know one has the right to send any number of merit to any post he likes.

I just want to ask this question.

If someone sent 10, 30, or 50 merit to another member on a post post that is really not that good but just okay, and that user that was sent that merit has not sent back merit to the user that sent him that amount of merit, can it be said that or called merit abuse.

At what point can someone TAG a user for merit abuse, or at what point can it be said a user has abused the merit system.

Why do you think it's only abuse if the number is 10, 30 or 50?
If merit sent to a shit post, it's abuse even the merit number is only 1 or 2.

You can tag these accounts if you want but it does not decide anything. If such accounts used for applying for signature campaigns, it's work of campaign managers to choose or not choose these applicants into their campaigns.

It seems people abuse this post from theymos when people created contests for exchanging merit or sending merit to rank up threads while posters are shit posters that don't deserve to receive previous merit and even very last merit for ranking up.

But undoubtedly some people got screwed by this, and if they have decent posts, by all means, give them the 250 or 500 merit that they need to rank-up.

If they complain about amounts, tell them to complain to me. It's best if sources try to exhaust their source allocations, even if it means giving posts higher amounts than is typical. If you have 150 source merit and you only see 3 merit-worthy posts in a month, then I'd rather you over-give each of them 50 merit than let the merit expire. That way there are more people capable of sending merit, and the "merit economy" is less top-down.

If a DT member tags you for something stupid involving merit (ie. probably anything less than selling merit), then they're not going to be a DT member for much longer.

[Upgrade00]

I consider merit abuse too much of a gray area to get into, if you start policing what does and doesn't deserve certain amount of nerits everyone will start doing it and it'll be impossible to manage. For something that is subjective, you cannot judge what someone else should do or tag them for it. Only the cases pointed out above count as abuse and warrant tags

The merits also slowly depreciate slowly fading out any abuse.

[hypebrother]

When you think it is not meritable?

or?

When you know it is merit abuse.

[Sandra_hakeem]

Although every user reserves the right to what they deem as "merit-worthy" post, the barest minimum is totally out of consideration and will only spark a matter of concern among other good posters/users of the merit system. Let's put that in perspective; handing out 30/50 merits on this post would automatically look suspicious. Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with your post-- it just doesn't carry the semantic load on problem-solving or solution-finding, that deserves such numbers.

[SuperBitMan]

At what point can someone TAG a user for merit abuse, or at what point can it be said a user has abused the merit system.

Afaik, when he sells merit, or when he sends merit to his alts.

Okay, so how is it possible to know that someone sold merit, let assume I bought 10 merit from you and you just sent the merit on this thread I created can someone question you for sending me merit on this post, the answer is no. So it’s impossible to fine out except they decided to bring their business deals to the open.

Talking about the aIt that’s okay, but can’t someone acknowledge himself through merit for a very good post, especially when the aIt is known to everyone?


Rikafip Thanks for your answer it was straight to the point.

[Free Market Capitalist]

If someone sent 10, 30, or 50 merit to another member on a post post that is really not that good but just okay, and that user that was sent that merit has not sent back merit to the user that sent him that amount of merit, can it be said that or called merit abuse.

If those merits were all sent at once, that wouldn't be enough in my opinion, since it could be a mistake. But if you find several instances of posts being over-merited—posts that, in theory, you don't consider worthy of merit—it would be reasonable to add a neutral tag to indicate this.

At what point can someone TAG a user for merit abuse, or at what point can it be said a user has abused the merit system.

Afaik, when he sells merit, or when he sends merit to his alts.

I think these are different cases: selling merits warrants a red tag, whereas sending merits to alts would be better suited for a neutral tag. The thing is, someone who sends merits to their alts usually breaks other rules as well, like participating in the same campaign with multiple accounts or evading bans—things like that—and they usually get red-tagged for all of it.

[Sandra_hakeem]

Talking about the aIt that’s okay, but can’t someone acknowledge himself through merit for a very good post, especially when the aIt is known to everyone?

Can I give merit to my alt accounts?

No, this is frowned upon and will almost certainly lead to you receiving negative feedback if discovered.

[SatoPrincess]

Talking about the aIt that’s okay, but can’t someone acknowledge himself through merit for a very good post, especially when the aIt is known to everyone?

No, you can’t exchange merits between your accounts because that would be considered merit abuse as it defeats the purpose of the merit system.

Everyone thinks every post they make is a good post so you can imagine how bad it would be if exchanging merits between alts is allowed. Although I think there are cases where the forum is lenient towards users sending 1 merit to their alt to allow the account to be able to post images.

Edit: look at this POST can it said what happened their was merit abuse.

IMO it’s a clear cut example of merit abuse and worthy of a tag.

[Rikafip]

So it’s impossible to fine out except they decided to bring their business deals to the open.

Pretty much, yes. That's the main reason why you will rarely see merit related tags, as its hard to prove.

I think these are different cases: selling merits warrants a red tag, whereas sending merits to alts would be better suited for a neutral tag.  

So you are saying that person who creates 5 accounts and then shares merit among those deserves nothing more than a neutral? That just doesn't seem right to me, and would send the wrong message to all alt farmers.

[rat03gopoh]

At what point can someone TAG a user for merit abuse, or at what point can it be said a user has abused the merit system.

Until someone wants to do it, or until someone think so. The forum provides you with a tag system, and there are no restrictions on using it according to your point of view.
However, in your OP, you have a premise that is often undeniable:

one has the right to send any number of merit to any post he likes.

If this forum also has to regulate someone's excessive mood, it is no longer a good place for freedom of expression.

Sending a large points at once for "return of favor" reasons is no different than spreading a small amount to many other shitposts for "solidarity" reasons.

[SuperBitMan]

I think these are different cases: selling merits warrants a red tag, whereas sending merits to alts would be better suited for a neutral tag.  

So you are saying that person who creates 5 accounts and then shares merit among those deserves nothing more than a neutral? That just doesn't seem right to me, and would send the wrong message to all alt farmers.
everyone?

Can I give merit to my alt accounts?
No, this is frowned upon and will almost certainly lead to you receiving negative feedback if discovered.

According to what is said here by hilariousandco a negative tag which is also red tag if you send merit to your aIt account, so buying merit and sending merit to your aIt accounts are same punishment, negative tag which is also red tag.
But I think if someone is caught for sending 1 merit to his or her AIt, neutral tag should be okay and justifiable.

[Rikafip]

According to what is said here by hilariousandco...

Yeah I know about it, that's why I wrote in my earlier post that those two things lead to a negative tag.

But I think if someone is caught for sending 1 merit to his or her AIt, neutral tag should be okay and justifiable.

Good luck explaining that it was the one time thing. 

[SuperBitMan]

But I think if someone is caught for sending 1 merit to his or her AIt, neutral tag should be okay and justifiable.

Good luck explaining that it was the one time thing. 

your explanation won’t really matter since the rule didn’t give any exemptions. Your faith will only be on God to escape negative tag .
But I believe understanding DT members won’t give you negative feedback for that.

[SatoPrincess]

According to what is said here by hilariousandco a negative tag which is also red tag if you send merit to your aIt account, so buying merit and sending merit to your aIt accounts are same punishment, negative tag which is also red tag.
But I think if someone is caught for sending 1 merit to his or her AIt, neutral tag should be okay and justifiable.

You can get a negative tag if you exchange merits between your alt accounts or for engaging in merit buying. However, DT are very cautious about tagging accounts for merit abuse without sufficient evidence, some forum members. Some forum members may be lenient if it’s a time off but I doubt you will be able to get away with a neutral if you have sent to and received merits from your alt.

[Lucius]

OP, instead of continuing the discussion in an existing topic, you open a new topic to ask a question as if you came to the forum yesterday. Merits abuse is something that is difficult to prove and even more difficult to sanction. From 2018 to today, I only remember a few cases where the admin reacted to things like this.

Additionally, everyone can give their sMerits to whoever they want and as much as they want. It's not just a matter of quality and the criteria each member has when it comes to giving merits, because a post can get merits even if it's funny, sarcastic or for some other reason.

[_act_]

OP, instead of continuing the discussion in an existing topic, you open a new topic to ask a question as if you came to the forum yesterday. Merits abuse is something that is difficult to prove and even more difficult to sanction. From 2018 to today, I only remember a few cases where the admin reacted to things like this.

Since I have been on this forum, I have seen people in few cases that were known and topic created about them which led to negative tags on the accounts but the admin and moderators did not do anything, they were only just looking. But it would be good for people to have it in mined that if they abuse merits, that they can get negative trust. Not from the admin or moderator but from some people on this forum.

[Jostern]

According to what is said here by hilariousandco a negative tag which is also red tag if you send merit to your aIt account, so buying merit and sending merit to your aIt accounts are same punishment, negative tag which is also red tag.
But I think if someone is caught for sending 1 merit to his or her AIt, neutral tag should be okay and justifiable.

You can get a negative tag if you exchange merits between your alt accounts or for engaging in merit buying. However, DT are very cautious about tagging accounts for merit abuse without sufficient evidence, some forum members. Some forum members may be lenient if it’s a time off but I doubt you will be able to get away with a neutral if you have sent to and received merits from your alt.

I think it will be absolutely difficult to get away from that because it’s a rule that you don’t send merits to your alts account and when you do that and you’re eventually caught, which is know as merit abuse, because you’re not supposed to send merits to your alts accounts, then the DT member would also have a decision to make about the situation entirely.

It would be very difficult for someone to get away from such a difficult situation because I would say it’s a difficult decision to take, and they might be cautious sometimes.

[hypebrother]

According to what is said here by hilariousandco a negative tag which is also red tag if you send merit to your aIt account, so buying merit and sending merit to your aIt accounts are same punishment, negative tag which is also red tag.
But I think if someone is caught for sending 1 merit to his or her AIt, neutral tag should be okay and justifiable.

You can get a negative tag if you exchange merits between your alt accounts or for engaging in merit buying. However, DT are very cautious about tagging accounts for merit abuse without sufficient evidence, some forum members. Some forum members may be lenient if it’s a time off but I doubt you will be able to get away with a neutral if you have sent to and received merits from your alt.

I think it will be absolutely difficult to get away from that because it’s a rule that you don’t send merits to your alts account and when you do that and you’re eventually caught, which is know as merit abuse, because you’re not supposed to send merits to your alts accounts, then the DT member would also have a decision to make about the situation entirely.

It would be very difficult for someone to get away from such a difficult situation because I would say it’s a difficult decision to take, and they might be cautious sometimes.

AFAIK There is a 120 days Average Limit on  users.

so that it's easier to check who merited what.