Stake.com & Rainbet.com relation?

[alani123]

There's some speculation going on that Rainbet and Stake might be related.

It kind of makes sense if you consider it.
Stake.com ownership company had to spend tens of millions to acquire licenses to operate in US/UK and still it's having a hard time breaking local oligopolies that had a head start with licenses and advertising. It accepted the route of going legit in markets that mattered at least and it is probably hurting their downline.

Then sometime along the line rainbet came along using very similar marketing and techniques as stake used to do. Essentially they double down on everything stake did and worked to earn them more viewers. Targeted promotion through edgy streamers, guerilla marketing with clippers on major social media.

Then Rainbet is also very active on kick which is owned by Stake founders.

While there might not be direct papertrail connecting the two, as both casinos legally speaking are based on a plethora of shell companies, offshore entities and so called "title licenses" that don't provide any real regulation like Curacao licenses. The main difference is that Stake has actually gotten some "legal" licenses that allow it to operate in countries with gambling regulation legally.

What do you think? Could this theory hold merit? Is Rainbet the old Stake that doesn't care about licensing just revamped?

[Hispo]

This is the first time I have heard about this kind of speculation about Rainbet and Stake, and I must say I have not noticed anything myself.

The fact Rainbet decides to stream and advertise themselves on kick does not mean anything in my opinion, as Kick is pretty much a laxed version of Twitch where raunchy content and gambling are allowed.
I have some acquaintances which stream on Kick, and they don't gamble and don't have anything to do with Stake.
So I would rule out activity on Kick as some kind of evidence of connection.

[alani123]

This is the first time I have heard about this kind of speculation about Rainbet and Stake, and I must say I have not noticed anything myself.

The fact Rainbet decides to stream and advertise themselves on kick does not mean anything in my opinion, as Kick is pretty much a laxed version of Twitch where raunchy content and gambling are allowed.
I have some acquaintances which stream on Kick, and they don't gamble and don't have anything to do with Stake.
So I would rule out activity on Kick as some kind of evidence of connection.

The big question that puts this scenario in focus is where did Rainbet find the USD 50 millions to "steal" Adin Ross from being a Stake exclusive streamer? And how is he still allowed to stream on Kick when Kick doesn't let anyone stream freely promoting other sites?

Rainbet as a newly founded casino finds tens of millions to burn on sponsorships that are directly tied with Stake's audience. Then they even keep promoting on Stake-affiliated platforms as a "competitor" while other competitors get banned. The scenario that it's just a site here to grab the marketshare that was lost with Stake's legitimization through proper licenses just sounds more probable the more you look into it.

[BABY SHOES]

I don't see Stake.com and Rainbet.com having anything in common as both are different platforms, different licenses and different owners, although some theories say the founder of Rainbet.com (John Evans) name is not verified as he has no previous experience in the gambling industry.
- https://fintelegram.com/rainbet-offshore-gambling-empire-built-on-deception-and-regulatory-evasion/

I think it could be that Rainbet copied the marketing of other casinos so they did a big expansion and that attracted the audience to Rainbet... Doing this is not a problem as long as they are on the right track, this is common in the gambling industry competition because it is always tight in terms of marketing with other casinos.

I know Adin Ross was offered a fantastic contract by Rainbet so he moved to this casino, if I'm not mistaken the contract was 50M.

[Odusko]

This is the first time I have heard about this kind of speculation about Rainbet and Stake, and I must say I have not noticed anything myself.

The fact that Rainbet decides to stream and advertise itself on Kick does not mean anything in my opinion, as Kick is essentially a relaxed version of Twitch where raunchy content and gambling are allowed.
I have some acquaintances who stream on Kick, and they don't gamble and don't have anything to do with Stake.
So I would rule out activity on Kick as some kind of evidence of connection.

The big question that puts this scenario in focus is where did Rainbet find the USD 50 millions to "steal" Adin Ross from being a Stake exclusive streamer? And how is he still allowed to stream on Kick when Kick doesn't let anyone stream freely promoting other sites?

Rainbet as a newly founded casino finds tens of millions to burn on sponsorships that are directly tied with Stake's audience. Then they even keep promoting on Stake-affiliated platforms as a "competitor" while other competitors get banned. The scenario that it's just a site here to grab the market share that was lost with Stake's legitimisation through proper licenses just sounds more probable the more you look into it.

Still I don't see how spending of millions by a casinos become a hard thing what they know that that exposure is going to bring them the desired success in the market, that is what we should focus on ultimately, if stake or reinbet team doesn't make any informed public about same ownership or we have concrete evidence, it will be hard to say accurately about their connection all we can do I to speculate without any accuracy.

[Akbarkoe]

Still I don't see how spending of millions by a casinos become a hard thing what they know that that exposure is going to bring them the desired success in the market, that is what we should focus on ultimately, if stake or reinbet team doesn't make any informed public about same ownership or we have concrete evidence, it will be hard to say accurately about their connection all we can do I to speculate without any accuracy.

This approach will indeed be difficult to find answers and will only end up conjecture before we find congruous evidence to state that indeed Stake and Rainbet are affiliated, what is brought up by alani123 is quite reasonable but we still have a lot of shortcomings, let's pay attention first to how this issue is verified, at this time can only say that there are indications, nothing more than that.
Let's see together.

[Cointxz]

Yes they might be connected considering their same style of promotion most notably that Rainbet is just new while they are already gaining lot of popularity due to their aggressive marketing which is Stake style before.

Both casino are performing very good and lead the crypto casino industry so even if we don’t see a solid a connection there’s no urgent need to speculate with their connection.

[swogerino]

There's some speculation going on that Rainbet and Stake might be related.

It kind of makes sense if you consider it.
Stake.com ownership company had to spend tens of millions to acquire licenses to operate in US/UK and still it's having a hard time breaking local oligopolies that had a head start with licenses and advertising. It accepted the route of going legit in markets that mattered at least and it is probably hurting their downline.

Then sometime along the line rainbet came along using very similar marketing and techniques as stake used to do. Essentially they double down on everything stake did and worked to earn them more viewers. Targeted promotion through edgy streamers, guerilla marketing with clippers on major social media.

Then Rainbet is also very active on kick which is owned by Stake founders.

While there might not be direct papertrail connecting the two, as both casinos legally speaking are based on a plethora of shell companies, offshore entities and so called "title licenses" that don't provide any real regulation like Curacao licenses. The main difference is that Stake has actually gotten some "legal" licenses that allow it to operate in countries with gambling regulation legally.

What do you think? Could this theory hold merit? Is Rainbet the old Stake that doesn't care about licensing just revamped?

I don't know what about legal battles that they are going through but I have my own doubts about Stake, there is one other casino that is not as active here in the forum and their ANN page up to some days ago last post was showing early January and this casino is Shock, they are an exact copycat of Stake in everything including their bonus schemes which are absolutely identical to Stake. Not saying anything about them just wanted to point out this factor, they may be not related at all but they look exactly the same. I don't follow Stake from a lot of time now as they refuse actively to re open my account even now that more than 1 year have passed since I request self exclusion.

[Dave1]

Yes they might be connected considering their same style of promotion most notably that Rainbet is just new while they are already gaining lot of popularity due to their aggressive marketing which is Stake style before.

Both casino are performing very good and lead the crypto casino industry so even if we don’t see a solid a connection there’s no urgent need to speculate with their connection.

I don't know, but perhaps Rainbet is just copying the blue print of Stake, as we all know that Stake is one of the old school online crypto base platform that are very successful because of their marketing, like getting players or streamers on their side to promote their brand.

And for the Adin Ross case, he could have been in a buy out by Rainbet, that's why he is not on the side of Rainbet. But then again, some of this casinos might have the same personality behind, similar to traditional base casinos as well.

[Charles-Tim]

Then sometime along the line rainbet came along using very similar marketing and techniques as stake used to do. Essentially they double down on everything stake did and worked to earn them more viewers. Targeted promotion through edgy streamers, guerilla marketing with clippers on major social media.

I still see Stake marketing to be higher as they are almost everywhere. There is no how I do not see Stake in one way or the other advertising but there are many times that I will not see Rainbet advertisement than on this forum. There is still no gambling site like Stake but Rainbet could have seen Stake success and try to emulate with advertisement because advertisement is very important to have higher traffic.

[Lida93]

I know Adin Ross was offered a fantastic contract by Rainbet so he moved to this casino, if I'm not mistaken the contract was 50M.

Even here in the forum people move from one signature campaign to another just for a $10 difference. Adin's case of accepting a huge jaw dropping offer of $50M by Rainbet is no unique in the business environment where institutions and corporations provides tempting offers that are hard to reject to counterpart employees which they believe could help expand their company's outreach and traffic with their wealth of experience in the industry.

[dwyane36]

Then sometime along the line rainbet came along using very similar marketing and techniques as stake used to do. Essentially they double down on everything stake did and worked to earn them more viewers. Targeted promotion through edgy streamers, guerilla marketing with clippers on major social media.

I still see Stake marketing to be higher as they are almost everywhere. There is no how I do not see Stake in one way or the other advertising but there are many times that I will not see Rainbet advertisement than on this forum. There is still no gambling site like Stake but Rainbet could have seen Stake success and try to emulate with advertisement because advertisement is very important to have higher traffic.

In recent years, Stake has become such a popular gambling platform that people would still be talking about it a lot even if there were no advertising.
As for Rainbet, whether it’s a coincidence or not, it’s noteworthy that their brand began to rapidly gain popularity right after they launched a signature campaign on the forum. At least, based on the popularity dynamics in Google Trends.

[Cointxz]

Yes they might be connected considering their same style of promotion most notably that Rainbet is just new while they are already gaining lot of popularity due to their aggressive marketing which is Stake style before.

Both casino are performing very good and lead the crypto casino industry so even if we don’t see a solid a connection there’s no urgent need to speculate with their connection.

I don't know, but perhaps Rainbet is just copying the blue print of Stake, as we all know that Stake is one of the old school online crypto base platform that are very successful because of their marketing, like getting players or streamers on their side to promote their brand.

And for the Adin Ross case, he could have been in a buy out by Rainbet, that's why he is not on the side of Rainbet. But then again, some of this casinos might have the same personality behind, similar to traditional base casinos as well.

You’re right about the potential copy marketing but the OP raise a valid point about a sudden increase on marketing spendings that has similarities on Stake marketing approach which other top casino doesn’t copy this marketing pattern.

On big business like this, I’m guessing that there’s a mutual connection to have such kind of confidence on marketing.

[coinrifft]

I know Adin Ross was offered a fantastic contract by Rainbet so he moved to this casino, if I'm not mistaken the contract was 50M.

Even here in the forum people move from one signature campaign to another just for a $10 difference. Adin's case of accepting a huge jaw dropping offer of $50M by Rainbet is no unique in the business environment where institutions and corporations provides tempting offers that are hard to reject to counterpart employees which they believe could help expand their company's outreach and traffic with their wealth of experience in the industry.

So even in casinos now, pirating a brand ambassador is the norm? Or will it become the norm? I used to watch Ross with his roulette spree with Drake years ago. But I'm not aware that he moved on the competitor (or so we though, Rainbet). Not surprised, when money talks, everyone listen. But I still can't fathom if they have relationship. Because casino owners knows each other, but that's it and nothing personal if there are this kind of pirating one big name streamer to moved to a new one. But in any case, it could really be good business after-all. So it's a win-win for us gamblers.

[knowngunman]

I don't know much about gambling platforms licencing and their mode of operation but is it wrong for two gambling platforms to be affiliated? Can someone school me here why the cause for alarm if Stake and Rainbet is somehow related?

I mean even if they're related and none has a fraudulent case to answer, is there something to be worried about their relationship? The aim is to become successful in the industry and similar patterns are likely to be used by various platforms as long as it proves to be working well.

Perhaps, I'm getting this message wrong but I don't really see something worth studying here.

[KTChampions]

I heard this theory and I don’t see anything contradictory in it. This is a completely logical development of events when different legal entities are created under different regulations. When regulators make it unbearably difficult to operate in certain jurisdictions, it makes sense to create a "branch" that targets those (consumers) who try to circumvent the regulators. But naturally, it's unlikely this will ever be announced publicly. Overall, I don't know who originally created Rainbet, but it's great that there are large projects that try to avoid regulatory interference as much as possible. As a consumer, I'm happy with that.

[Wiwo]

No way Rainbet is no where near stake with marketing budgets and spending, stake still remains top spending casino even some local streamers in my country are promoting stake and getting paid huge but rainbet have not got to that level of marketing.

Check this forum marketing, stake have VIP and regular campaigns but enlisting several members and still counting.

If you are linking the two just because of marketing budgets funding you may likely get it wrong except otherwise.

[Orpichukwu]

Still I don't see how spending of millions by a casinos become a hard thing what they know that that exposure is going to bring them the desired success in the market, that is what we should focus on ultimately, if stake or reinbet team doesn't make any informed public about same ownership or we have concrete evidence, it will be hard to say accurately about their connection all we can do I to speculate without any accuracy.

The problem is not with spending the money; the suspensions come from people who are behind Rainbet. They really can't verify their real identity. Rainbet started in 2023, and in 2025 they already have that $50m to hire a streamer. This $50 million is not just a one-time payment, if I'm correct, but it's an annual agreed payment, and $100m was paid upfront according to some source, and some are even arguing that the amount is bigger than what was publicly disclosed.

[maydna]

Perhaps one used the other ways to promote and vice versa because they see that is works well. That is normal if they copy others promotion for their business and implement that to their marketing. We don't know the truth and only guess if Rainbet and Stake is under the same management.

The company will do the things necessary to growing their business, including using other companies ways if that can works for their company. We should not bother with that and gamble on our favorite casinos.

[Agbamoni]

The problem is not with spending the money; the suspensions come from people who are behind Rainbet. They really can't verify their real identity. Rainbet started in 2023, and in 2025 they already have that $50m to hire a streamer. This $50 million is not just a one-time payment, if I'm correct, but it's an annual agreed payment, and $100m was paid upfront according to some source, and some are even arguing that the amount is bigger than what was publicly disclosed.

Is there any problem if the people managing Stake.com are still the owners of Rainbet.com? I thought one particular company was eligible to manage different platforms, or am I getting it wrong?

The money spent on streamers can actually be from the investors and shareholders. Look around, you will find casino brands having other sister casinos. Different name, same owner or market structure behind.