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March 30, 2026, 11:08:17 PM
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These two articles (by Charles Edwards & Nic Carter, respectively) on the quantum threat to Bitcoin should be read by all Bitcoiners:

https://caprioleio.substack.com/p/discounting-bitcoins-value-for-quantum

https://murmurationstwo.substack.com/p/bitcoin-developers-are-mostly-not

Hunter Beast's BIP360 proposal has been largely ignored by Bitcoin developers.

Nic Carter:  "There is a pathological lack of concern among the most influential Bitcoin developers."

Charles Edwards:  "Q-Day will almost certainly occur within the next 2-9 years and with high probability from 2030. . .If you legitimately want to maximize the value of Bitcoin now and into the future, you will support the movement of upgrading Bitcoin’s code in 2026."
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March 30, 2026, 11:51:52 PM
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I think "ignored" is a strong word to use. The threat can be seen beyond the horizon at best. Perhaps it's not a priority to them now?

I hate to repost something I typed in another thread, but I feel it is relevant to this topic:

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I don't understand much about quantum computers which are likely to be the future of technology, but from the bits and pieces I've read, there's a possibility that quantum computers could hack the private keys of bitcoin addresses in the early days using P2PK technology

I'm sure Bitcoin developers will find ways to improve wallet security, but what about early wallets that are inactive or no longer in use? Like Satoshi's wallet? Will there be a "treasure hunt" where people hack early Bitcoin addresses?

I fear that this "treasure hunt" era will become a legalized illegal activity. There was no legal basis or proof of ownership for the early wallet addresses, even though everyone claimed they were Satoshi's wallets.

Moreover, in the future, bitcoin mining will not produce many bitcoins or bitcoin reserves will be completely mined, will "treasure hunters" become a new trend?

Or is there another way to increase security on a sleeping wallet?

If my understanding of bitcoin history is correct, I don't think the rise of an emerging technology, like quantum computing in this case, is the first time it has created a little anxiety for bitcoin holders. The whole "treasure hunters" era you are describing is happening not only in the very present day, but in the past as well.

For example, in the early years I'm pretty sure people were concerned about bitcoin's fundamental cryptography, specifically the Elliptic Curve Digital Signature Algorithm, and how it might not be secure long-term. These concerns were kinda more philosophical in nature, whereas the quantum threat is more theoretical. I only say theoretical, not to mean impossible, but more so to mean not really feasible/practical in the world we currently live in. Math and current number of qubits (which are error prone, loud, and don't last a long time) tell a story that it could be a reality one day. Then you get into the conversation of "logical qubits", which are the ones that are relevant in terms of breaking cryptography/encryption, don't exist yet. If they do exist today, there would probably be only a couple of them in a highly experimental state.

Android RNG vulnerabilites scared a lot of people too, but that made sense since actual bitcoin was stolen for some. The ASIC miners also created a scare for bitcoin because people thought they could potentially cause a centralization of hashing power and possible 51% attacks. The whole thing about public key exposure and reusing an address also created fear for bitcoin, but solutions like good practices in not reusing the same address twice and utilizing hierarchical deterministic wallets put most folks at ease. When SHA-1 was demonstrated to be insufficient and weak, people started to immediately question SHA-256.

Honestly, someone should make a fear and greed index-type of display that estimates the current public's view of bitcoin's security and hardness. This shit just goes up and down and up and down for one reason or another. It never seems to end, lol. What will be the new scare after quantum computing threats are pacified? My guess will probably be government overreach and corruption. World leaders and powerful people who run private companies seem to have no issue with partaking in the human trafficking of minors. You think they are above forcing known individuals who possess lots of bitcoin to hand over their private keys?

Forgot to mention satoshi implementing mining difficulty into bitcoin in terms of answering your statement's regarding bitcoin being "completely mined". It's one of his most genius aspects of bitcoin, because it shows his awareness of exponential technological development/progression.

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Here's a helpful link: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Myths
And here's the part you should jump to: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Myths#Quantum_computers_would_break_Bitcoin's_security
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I think "ignored" is a strong word to use. The threat can be seen beyond the horizon at best. Perhaps it's not a priority to them now?

I hate to repost something I typed in another thread, but I feel it is relevant to this topic:

=======

I don't understand much about quantum computers which are likely to be the future of technology, but from the bits and pieces I've read, there's a possibility that quantum computers could hack the private keys of bitcoin addresses in the early days using P2PK technology

I'm sure Bitcoin developers will find ways to improve wallet security, but what about early wallets that are inactive or no longer in use? Like Satoshi's wallet? Will there be a "treasure hunt" where people hack early Bitcoin addresses?

I fear that this "treasure hunt" era will become a legalized illegal activity. There was no legal basis or proof of ownership for the early wallet addresses, even though everyone claimed they were Satoshi's wallets.

Moreover, in the future, bitcoin mining will not produce many bitcoins or bitcoin reserves will be completely mined, will "treasure hunters" become a new trend?

Or is there another way to increase security on a sleeping wallet?

If my understanding of bitcoin history is correct, I don't think the rise of an emerging technology, like quantum computing in this case, is the first time it has created a little anxiety for bitcoin holders. The whole "treasure hunters" era you are describing is happening not only in the very present day, but in the past as well.

For example, in the early years I'm pretty sure people were concerned about bitcoin's fundamental cryptography, specifically the Elliptic Curve Digital Signature Algorithm, and how it might not be secure long-term. These concerns were kinda more philosophical in nature, whereas the quantum threat is more theoretical. I only say theoretical, not to mean impossible, but more so to mean not really feasible/practical in the world we currently live in. Math and current number of qubits (which are error prone, loud, and don't last a long time) tell a story that it could be a reality one day. Then you get into the conversation of "logical qubits", which are the ones that are relevant in terms of breaking cryptography/encryption, don't exist yet. If they do exist today, there would probably be only a couple of them in a highly experimental state.

Android RNG vulnerabilites scared a lot of people too, but that made sense since actual bitcoin was stolen for some. The ASIC miners also created a scare for bitcoin because people thought they could potentially cause a centralization of hashing power and possible 51% attacks. The whole thing about public key exposure and reusing an address also created fear for bitcoin, but solutions like good practices in not reusing the same address twice and utilizing hierarchical deterministic wallets put most folks at ease. When SHA-1 was demonstrated to be insufficient and weak, people started to immediately question SHA-256.

Honestly, someone should make a fear and greed index-type of display that estimates the current public's view of bitcoin's security and hardness. This shit just goes up and down and up and down for one reason or another. It never seems to end, lol. What will be the new scare after quantum computing threats are pacified? My guess will probably be government overreach and corruption. World leaders and powerful people who run private companies seem to have no issue with partaking in the human trafficking of minors. You think they are above forcing known individuals who possess lots of bitcoin to hand over their private keys?

Forgot to mention satoshi implementing mining difficulty into bitcoin in terms of answering your statement's regarding bitcoin being "completely mined". It's one of his most genius aspects of bitcoin, because it shows his awareness of exponential technological development/progression.

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Here's a helpful link: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Myths
And here's the part you should jump to: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Myths#Quantum_computers_would_break_Bitcoin's_security


I encourage you to read Edwards' article.  I'll quote from it here:

"Qubits" can be considered the processing power units of quantum computers. You will hear people distinguish between "physical qubits" and "logical qubits." Physical qubits are the raw, hardware-level processing units, while logical qubits are the error-corrected qubits which rely on many physical qubits to behave like a single, more reliable qubit.

It’s logical qubit counts that we generally care about when predicting the processing power necessary to run Shor’s algorithm, trigger Q-Day, break Bitcoins current cryptography and unlock expansive cross-industry innovations.

It turns out you only need about 2300 logical qubits (or around 100,000 physical qubits) to break Bitcoin’s cryptography, and five of the top global quantum computing companies are forecasting that capability within the next 2-5 years. . .

We’ve surveyed Q-Day estimates from qualified quantum physicists, cyber security councils and the top quantum computing companies globally. Where a major quantum company’s official statement or roadmap includes a logical qubit count in the multi-thousands, we consider that sufficient to break Bitcoin’s cryptography, as 2300 logical qubits is the generally accepted threshold required.

If you collate these industry expert estimates for when Bitcoin’s Q-Day is expected, you will find that Q-Day will almost certainly occur within the next 2-9 years and with high probability from 2030. . .

Using this data, we calculate the probability of Q-Day occurring per year using a discrete probability distribution (probability mass function). Each expert’s Q-Day estimate year (or range of years) is treated as equally likely to occur. So we simply add the probabilities by year, then average them so each source has an equal weight. The full calculation logic is available here.

As the below chart shows, this gives a powerful finding. Q-Day threat to Bitcoin is not 20 years away as some would like to think.

Bitcoin Q-Day is likely to occur by 2030 (60% chance) and probable by 2031 (80% chance). Furthermore all of the expert estimates, which includes 6 of the world leading quantum computing companies, fall within the next 9 years.

Note that we haven’t included Quantinuum yet, the current world leader in quantum computing. In 2025 they achieved 50 logical qubits. Several companies are expecting well over 100 logical qubits in 2026. . .

Realistically the timeframe to update Bitcoin code and migrate the majority of active users across to quantum resistant wallets and addresses is approximately 2 years. In an extremely optimistic and aggressive scenario this might be feasible in 1 year, but is more likely to be closer to 3 years, as the below diagram elicits. . .

DEBUNKED: “quantum computers are too unstable and you will need millions of qubits to crack Bitcoin”

Let’s debunk another myth, that quantum computing is too error prone or unstable and that you need millions of physical qubits to trigger Q-Day.

Quantum computing error rates (what separates physical and logical qubit counts) are also reducing exponentially. Counterintuitively, according to Google in 2024, “the more qubits we use, the more we reduce errors, and the more quantum the system becomes.”

This has seen the number of physical qubits required to run shor’s algorithm and trigger Q-Day drop like a rock. Just 6 months ago you would have heard people say you need millions of qubits to break Bitcoin’s encryption. Well that number has plummeted and as of the latest research it’s only 100,000 physical qubits.

A year ago it was millions, 6 months ago it was 1 million, today just 100,000 physical qubits are needed to break RSA 2048, trigger Q-Day and breach Bitcoin’s cryptography.

How many qubits will be needed in a year?

Do the math. Follow the trend.
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Bitcoin is at least 15 years ahead of banks and the fiat system when it comes to protection against quantum threats. While banks, Visa, Mastercard, and others are only beginning to update their software and infrastructure, Bitcoin will still maintain a major time advantage.Once banks, Visa, and the broader fiat system begin updating, Bitcoin will likely receive a quantum-related BIP soon after, and the community will quickly adopt new quantum-resistant software.


 That is why these kinds of articles should not be taken too seriously, because they are often written by questionable people with hidden motives.

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Quote from: caprioleio.substack.com/p/discounting-bitcoins-value-for-quantum
It turns out you only need about 2300 logical qubits (or around 100,000 physical qubits) to break Bitcoin’s cryptography, and five of the top global quantum computing companies are forecasting that capability within the next 2-5 years.

While i'm far from expert, it's weird that estimated amount of qubit from different research can be very different. For example, research mentioned on blog post https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/02/breaking-245-bit-elliptic-curve-encryption-with-a-quantum-computer.html says 317 × 106 physical qubits is needed.

Hunter Beast's BIP360 proposal has been largely ignored by Bitcoin developers.

Even considering BIP 360 already added to https://github.com/bitcoin/bips?

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Today at 11:16:14 AM
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As has been pointed out there are larger things at play here then BTC if the "quantum" threat is real.
Many if not most forms of online / digital financial things are going to be vulnerable.

There have been discussions about it by the BTC developers, and it's being at least basically planed.

But, in the end it's more buzzword then threat. Nobody is going to bother hacking BTC when they could hack some other financial thing using less computing power.
Not saying they will not, just that it's going to be lower down on the list.

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Today at 11:21:10 AM
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But, in the end it's more buzzword then threat. Nobody is going to bother hacking BTC when they could hack some other financial thing using less computing power.
Not saying they will not, just that it's going to be lower down on the list.

-Dave
Ive also been seeing post or buzzword about supercomputer cracking on bitcoin, Im not an expert on tech and wondering if theres a possibility for this? Like imagine something can penetrate bitcoin and destroy the very idea of its decentralization.

But agreed on your thoughts! If some hackers will do something to bypass some firm with less effort they go for it than findign out a way to break bitcoin with so much work for a quantum super computer.

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Today at 12:12:48 PM
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Whatever the reason that article was created, I see that the threat of quantum computers to Bitcoin is way too exaggerated, I am not saying that the threat should be ignored, but the development of quantum computers is not something that can be seen as a threat right now or even for the next few years. Bitcoin developers are also not people who are unaware of this, they are definitely monitoring various developments in the computer world, so when quantum computers become a real threat to Bitcoin, we might have already moved the algorithm to something more quantum-resistant.

so, whatever that article says, it is nothing more than something that doesn't need to be taken seriously.

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Today at 12:28:42 PM
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Bitcoin developers are obviously aware of the issue so I don't think they're ignoring it. The thing is that there’s no consensus yet on how close this Q-day really is. Before now, we’ve seen different research give completely different requirements to break current cryptography. Bitcoin developers are just being careful knowing very well that acting too early could even introduce unnecessary risks. Bitcoin tends to move slowly on purpose and that caution is part of why it’s still reliable today.

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I've been hearing about this quantum threat for the last 10 years.

If someone manages to finally break SHA 256 using quantum tech, all you need to do is create a multisig wallet and you'll be fine for a while. The are already ways to improve your security using available technology. Let's say they finally get to do it, do you think they will target wallets one by one, or simply do the same to the banking sector that is much easier to hack than the bitcoin network?

It's funny that people are trying to put fear into bitcoiners while at the same time the global financial network is many times larger and less secure. What about the stock exchange? What about the FED? You get to crack the code, you can remotely turn on the money printer at the FED and flood the system with billions of $. The whole world will eventually have to upgrade and it will have to do it before there's a real threat to bitcoin.
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Today at 01:40:43 PM
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There have been several threads concerning this aspect which have also been discussed on several occasions about quantum computers and the Bitcoin network, this is where we always suggest that we should have made a search on the forum on relevant discussions on this aspect before creating another thread to point out the same or similar topics that have been discussed before, quantum cannot be a threat to bitcoin network, had it been it is so, maybe many of us would have left and failed to trust the network any longer.

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Today at 01:59:16 PM
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From the few days, it seems quantum threats are popping up again, and there are a lot of discussions as well. To be honest I am not afraid of quantum threats, as I said also before. Because if there is a threat, then Bitcoin developers will upgrade the codes, and today I noticed from Cointelegraph about what CZ said, which is similar to me.

Quote from: Cointelegraph
🔥 JUST IN: CZ says crypto can adapt to quantum threats via post-quantum upgrades, no need to panic.
So I am not panicking about quantum threats, though I am not much of a technical guy about codes and quantum computing systems. On the other hand, Elon is saying a quantum computer could recover a lost Bitcoin password in a day.

Quote from: Cointelegraph
⚡️ INSIGHT: Elon Musk on quantum computing says it could one day recover lost crypto wallet passwords.
I read them from the Cointelegraph Telegram channel; you may check yourself. If it's possible to recover the lost password, then fine, but if it's possible for hacking the wallet or finding the private keys/seed, then definitely it's a threat.

 
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Google has issued a stark warning: the encryption protecting the world’s banks, governments, and personal data could be broken by 2029.

Source Yahoo!

No need to feel panic. Bitcoin is not the only thing that will be affected if a quantum computer with such capability exist. However, Google is expecting this may possible to happen a few years from now, but i won't be surprised if their speculation is gonna wrong too.

I believe all of parties will raise attentions related to this quantum computing. The developers in all of sectors may be affected by the existence of quantum computing will aware of it, then they update it to be quantum resistant.

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Whatever the reason that article was created, I see that the threat of quantum computers to Bitcoin is way too exaggerated, I am not saying that the threat should be ignored, but the development of quantum computers is not something that can be seen as a threat right now or even for the next few years.

It's a ragebait. If they don't make the headlines that way and cook up nonsense, the people will not click.

I do think the same about this articles written to push fears but then, there is nothing bad in pre warning and pre-actions. If there is a viable solution to this FUD, there is nothing bad if it get solve in time. At least, this kills the likelihood of people writing this same epistle of articles trying to warn us about Quantum that has been in discussion for very long time, this their continuity about Bitcoin quantum posts will only cause more fear and harm than good.

Bitcoin developers are obviously aware of the issue so I don't think they're ignoring it. The thing is that there’s no consensus yet on how close this Q-day really is. Before now, we’ve seen different research give completely different requirements to break current cryptography. Bitcoin developers are just being careful knowing very well that acting too early could even introduce unnecessary risks. Bitcoin tends to move slowly on purpose and that caution is part of why it’s still reliable today.

This is by far one of the biggest consensus we are going to face, it require critical thinking, better solution. Just like I read in CZ post, he said "it's easy to encrypt than to decrypt". Even at die minute, a consensus can be pass but it should be one that will be in favour of every independent sats that are locked on each public key whether they have spent at least once or not.


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