Monkey tilt scam 100.000 dollar

[Zwei]

oce****6 eme****8 sun****9 zan****o sup****s cha****n piz****0 luc****e spi****6 zig****6 for****n bal****8 tom****9 gra****r rei****s bag****4 dub****t gur****4 Hoke1996

did you KYC all those accounts or just OP account? i mean, that would make it clear if those are random other players, or OP alts if they fail KYC.

Also, OP, how does the value come to $100K vs the $49,693.67 that the casino representative is saying is the amount that has been confiscated?

OP is saying $100K, MonkeyTilt is saying only $49,693.67 was confiscated, but the win screenshot is showing a $84,540 win.
so how was $49,693.67 considered the entire balance on site at the time of closure?

this makes no sense. i hope one of them makes the amount clear.

[The Cryptovator]

We intend to continue resolving this matter through these independent mediation channels and will fully cooperate with their processes. The complainant is welcome to pursue the case further with any of these platforms if they believe their position has merit.

Given the nature of the activity identified, and following the actions already taken against several associated accounts, we anticipate that additional linked ‘complaints’ will surface.

The amount of money in question is very high; it won't be solved by just providing a few username lists. Why not ban them and ask to verify individually and release OP funds since it's verified? How do we believe OP handles these accounts by himself? I am repeating again: the amount is very big; you can't skip it by a simple explanation. Unless you cooperate with the forum, then probably you are going to lose your reputation here. This thread must be marked as solved.

We are tired by hearing the same network, same IP, bla bla. But we need a real solution. We can even try to make a board with trusted members from these forums that have enough gambling knowledge. Otherwise I am not going to be convinced by your explanation. You have a good reputation, and that's the reason I haven't tagged you since expecting a resolution from you. Never want to destroy your reputation on the forum. But I am afraid you are probably not complying with the forum trust system, and DT members would tag you anytime. Most likely I am going to raise this concern on the reputation, preparing a draft.

Again, this is the serious issue. Your providing the list doesn't mean all accounts' balances are on the OP account, and OP earned all of the funds by cheating.

[NateShaw]

Never want to destroy your reputation on the forum. But I am afraid you are probably not complying with the forum trust system, and DT members would tag you anytime. Most likely I am going to raise this concern on the reputation, preparing a draft.

This seems like a blackmailing technique, is OP paying you a cut to get his fraudulent funds out
I don't see a flag holding up in this case at all when an external arbitrator has already decided against your friend the OP.
Your replies on this thread have been extremely shady so far. It also seems like you lack basic comprehension ability.
If you want to maintain your reputation you should avoid associating with such petty extortion attempts.

[The Cryptovator]

Never want to destroy your reputation on the forum. But I am afraid you are probably not complying with the forum trust system, and DT members would tag you anytime. Most likely I am going to raise this concern on the reputation, preparing a draft.

This seems like a blackmailing technique, is OP paying you a cut to get his fraudulent funds out
I don't see a flag holding up in this case at all when an external arbitrator has already decided against your friend the OP.
Your replies on this thread have been extremely shady so far. It also seems like you lack basic comprehension ability.
If you want to maintain your reputation you should avoid associating with such petty extortion attempts.

What the hell are you talking about? Where have I asked for the money? And how do you know this is the fraudulent funds? Please behave yourself about talking about something that you don't know. I don't know who OP actually is; people come here for the solution, not for the criticism. You don't need to be afraid about my reputation; I know what I am talking about. If the victim were you, then would you say something similar? But I would say with the same tone when the amount is big.

I admit people often try to abuse the casino system, but it'd be hard to believe that users would make big deposits since they know it would be exposed and their account would be blocked as well. As a forum member I often try to help victims; definitely I create pressure to solve the issues, and a couple of cases have been solved previously. It doesn't mean they are paying me a part of those funds. You should know more about me before talking this way.

[Hoke1996]

oce****6 eme****8 sun****9 zan****o sup****s cha****n piz****0 luc****e spi****6 zig****6 for****n bal****8 tom****9 gra****r rei****s bag****4 dub****t gur****4 Hoke1996

did you KYC all those accounts or just OP account? i mean, that would make it clear if those are random other players, or OP alts if they fail KYC.

Also, OP, how does the value come to $100K vs the $49,693.67 that the casino representative is saying is the amount that has been confiscated?

OP is saying $100K, MonkeyTilt is saying only $49,693.67 was confiscated, but the win screenshot is showing a $84,540 win.
so how was $49,693.67 considered the entire balance on site at the time of closure?

this makes no sense. i hope one of them makes the amount clear.

I won approximately $85,000 on a big hit. I continued playing and my balance grew to around $110,000 at its peak. I kept playing with it  I was enjoying myself and was confident the platform was legitimate. During this time I made one small  withdrawal of approximately $4,000 just to see if they would actually pay. They did not raise any issues at that point.

Regarding the KYC question  I cannot speak for the other accounts on that list. What I can confirm is that I completed full KYC on my account including government-issued photo ID, a selfie, and later a signed photo with my username and the website name. My identity was verified. If those other accounts failed KYC, that is further evidence that they are completely separate individuals and not connected to me.

[Hoke1996]

Never want to destroy your reputation on the forum. But I am afraid you are probably not complying with the forum trust system, and DT members would tag you anytime. Most likely I am going to raise this concern on the reputation, preparing a draft.

This seems like a blackmailing technique, is OP paying you a cut to get his fraudulent funds out
I don't see a flag holding up in this case at all when an external arbitrator has already decided against your friend the OP.
Your replies on this thread have been extremely shady so far. It also seems like you lack basic comprehension ability.
If you want to maintain your reputation you should avoid associating with such petty extortion attempts.

What the hell are you talking about? Where have I asked for the money? And how do you know this is the fraudulent funds? Please behave yourself about talking about something that you don't know. I don't know who OP actually is; people come here for the solution, not for the criticism. You don't need to be afraid about my reputation; I know what I am talking about. If the victim were you, then would you say something similar? But I would say with the same tone when the amount is big.

I admit people often try to abuse the casino system, but it'd be hard to believe that users would make big deposits since they know it would be exposed and their account would be blocked as well. As a forum member I often try to help victims; definitely I create pressure to solve the issues, and a couple of cases have been solved previously. It doesn't mean they are paying me a part of those funds. You should know more about me before talking this way.

I want to address this directly because it is a serious accusation.

I am not paying anyone anything. There is no cut, no scheme, no coordination. I am a person who deposited their own real money, took a risk, and got lucky. That is gambling. That is exactly what a casino is designed for.

I risked my own money. I won. I verified myself. I am still waiting to be paid. That is not fraud. That is a casino not paying a legitimate winner.

[NateShaw]

Never want to destroy your reputation on the forum. But I am afraid you are probably not complying with the forum trust system, and DT members would tag you anytime. Most likely I am going to raise this concern on the reputation, preparing a draft.

This seems like a blackmailing technique, is OP paying you a cut to get his fraudulent funds out
I don't see a flag holding up in this case at all when an external arbitrator has already decided against your friend the OP.
Your replies on this thread have been extremely shady so far. It also seems like you lack basic comprehension ability.
If you want to maintain your reputation you should avoid associating with such petty extortion attempts.

What the hell are you talking about? Where have I asked for the money? And how do you know this is the fraudulent funds? Please behave yourself about talking about something that you don't know. I don't know who OP actually is; people come here for the solution, not for the criticism. You don't need to be afraid about my reputation; I know what I am talking about. If the victim were you, then would you say something similar? But I would say with the same tone when the amount is big.

I admit people often try to abuse the casino system, but it'd be hard to believe that users would make big deposits since they know it would be exposed and their account would be blocked as well. As a forum member I often try to help victims; definitely I create pressure to solve the issues, and a couple of cases have been solved previously. It doesn't mean they are paying me a part of those funds. You should know more about me before talking this way.

Yeah buddy you 100% have some sort of ulterior motive, I can see this case was solved on askgamblers already in Monkeytilt favor. Why are you making so much ruckus on a case that has already been solved by a reputed external arbitrator. Do you know something which Askgamblers do not know that makes you an expert in this case? I highly doubt your credibility at this moment.

[Zwei]

I won approximately $85,000 on a big hit. I continued playing and my balance grew to around $110,000 at its peak. I kept playing with it  I was enjoying myself and was confident the platform was legitimate. During this time I made one small  withdrawal of approximately $4,000 just to see if they would actually pay. They did not raise any issues at that point.

then why is MonkeyTilt saying they only confiscated $49,693.67? and not $100K?

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What the hell are you talking about? Where have I asked for the money? And how do you know this is the fraudulent funds? Please behave yourself about talking about something that you don't know. I don't know who OP actually is; people come here for the solution, not for the criticism. You don't need to be afraid about my reputation; I know what I am talking about. If the victim were you, then would you say something similar? But I would say with the same tone when the amount is big.

I admit people often try to abuse the casino system, but it'd be hard to believe that users would make big deposits since they know it would be exposed and their account would be blocked as well. As a forum member I often try to help victims; definitely I create pressure to solve the issues, and a couple of cases have been solved previously. It doesn't mean they are paying me a part of those funds. You should know more about me before talking this way.

Yeah buddy you 100% have some sort of ulterior motive, I can see this case was solved on askgamblers already in Monkeytilt favor. Why are you making so much ruckus on a case that has already been solved by a reputed external arbitrator. Do you know something which Askgamblers do not know that makes you an expert in this case? I highly doubt your credibility at this moment.

i think you are the one who has some ulterior motive here. do you have some connection with MonkeyTilt? or you just don't like The Cryptovator? because you are speaking a lot of nonsense about blackmail when there is none.

as for askgamblers ruling on this case, the same evidence they showed them was deemed not enough by another reputed external arbitrator casino.guru, so the point you are making is not as strong as you might think.

[MonkeyTilt]

The amount of money in question is very high; it won't be solved by just providing a few username lists. Why not ban them and ask to verify individually and release OP funds since it's verified? How do we believe OP handles these accounts by himself? I am repeating again: the amount is very big; you can't skip it by a simple explanation. Unless you cooperate with the forum, then probably you are going to lose your reputation here. This thread must be marked as solved.

We understand the community wants transparency and we respect that. However we are not in a position to publish account details on a public forum. Doing so would breach data protection obligations and create legal exposure that no responsible operator should take on. This is not avoidance. It is standard practice across every reputable platform.

Evidence was submitted to AskGamblers through their confidential mediation process. They reviewed everything and closed the complaint in our favour. That is exactly what these independent platforms exist to do. LatestCasinoBonuses and CasinoGuru aren't moving as quickly, but they will move. The evidence supports our position conclusively, we just can't post it on open public forums and we're definitely not sharing it with the fraudsters we caught using it so they can change their strategy for next time. Dozens of accounts were identified, they all claimed our Welcome Offer and colluded to abuse it; that's all.

did you KYC all those accounts or just OP account?

Several associated accounts have been KYC'd, this does not disprove the collusion and fraud breaches of our Terms identified through the investigation.

Also, OP, how does the value come to $100K vs the $49,693.67 that the casino representative is saying is the amount that has been confiscated?

The complainant has referenced figures that include funds wagered and lost prior to account closure. The $49,693.67 was the actual balance remaining at the time we took action. The win screenshot does not represent the final balance as gameplay continued beyond that point.

They also mentioned that they attempted to withdraw $4,000 as a test. This is not the case with the Hoke1996 account actually, but it is with another account under action from the investigation. Hoke1996 attempted two separate withdraws in excess of 4 ETH (>$8k) each a few days apart. Just another massive hole in the story and a Freudian slip we guess.

Add it to the list of massive inconsistencies in their accusation along with the $100k claim, the lack of communication, etc.

Regarding Casino Guru: We have been actively trying to respond. We do not currently hold a business account with their platform and replying directly to the complaint requires one to be opened on their end. We reached out to our point of contact at Casino Guru 6 days ago, submitted a substantial amount of material, and have additional legal-cleared evidence ready to provide to them and to LatestCasinoBonuses. We are waiting on them to action the access. This is a platform process issue, not us avoiding the complaint or a rendered judgement from their staff.

We take our standing on this forum seriously and we are not going anywhere. Legitimate complaints get resolved. This one has been.

- MonkeyTilt Team

[Hoke1996]

I just want to be honest with this community because I have nothing to hide.

Whether I withdrew $4,000 or $8,000  I was simply trying to access money I had won. I deposited real money, took on real risk, and played on a platform I trusted. That is what players do. That should not be used against me.

You offered a 500% promotion. I took it in good faith. Months have passed and instead of being paid, I am being publicly labelled a fraudster based on a list of names I do not recognize.
I asked for my play history. I asked for my chat logs. I submitted a GDPR request. I was logged out of my account and received no response to any of it. That is not how a legitimate operator treats a customer.

Casino Guru has not ruled in your favour. The process is still open. I hope you will engage with them properly so this can be resolved fairly.

I have reached out to you privately about the public fraud accusation as it is causing me real distress. I genuinely just want this resolved.

[JeromeTash]

Mate, there are many inconsistencies in your story, and this is going to make members start doubting you. From the total amount you have locked in the account (or which you say they scammed you) to what you said you had tried to withdraw.

You might want to come off clear and tell us exactly what the account balance was, or better still, screenshots would help.

They also say the $4,000 was being withdrawn from another linked account and not your actual account. You do realise what kind of position this scenario puts you in when people start seeing cracks through your statements. Can you confirm whether you attempted to withdraw $8K or if you are sure it was $4K?

[Hoke1996]

I want to be upfront  I made a mistake. I said $4,000 when I meant 4 ETH. This happened 2 months ago and MonkeyTilt locked me out of my account immediately, so I have no access to my own history to verify exact figures. I am doing my best from memory and I am sorry for the confusion.

If MonkeyTilt simply  honoured my GDPR request, I could give everyone precise numbers right now. Instead they hold all the data and use my uncertainty against me.

Casino Guru has requested additional documents from me which I am currently working through. I have asked them for clarification and will provide everything needed. I have nothing to hide and honestly I just hope this can still be resolved directly with MonkeyTilt.

[rohang]

I want to be upfront  I made a mistake. I said $4,000 when I meant 4 ETH. This happened 2 months ago and MonkeyTilt locked me out of my account immediately, so I have no access to my own history to verify exact figures. I am doing my best from memory and I am sorry for the confusion.

If MonkeyTilt simply  honoured my GDPR request, I could give everyone precise numbers right now. Instead they hold all the data and use my uncertainty against me.

Casino Guru has requested additional documents from me which I am currently working through. I have asked them for clarification and will provide everything needed. I have nothing to hide and honestly I just hope this can still be resolved directly with MonkeyTilt.

OP your best bet now is going legal,

A mediator has already ruled in their favor and this forum wont(cant) help with getting your 50k,

If u have the means, file a suit, otherwise the money is 99% gone

[Hoke1996]

Thank you for the advice, I really appreciate it. Do you happen to know any legal counsel or website that specialises in online casino disputes? Any referral would be greatly appreciated.

I genuinely hope this can still be resolved directly with MonkeyTilt. The money is mine, I won it fairly, and I am not walking away from it.

[Zwei]

this is turning into your words vs monkeytilt words, and there is no way for us to know who is saying the truth.
so going legal as suggested above is your best option if you are 100% sure you are in the right.

Do you happen to know any legal counsel or website that specialises in online casino disputes? Any referral would be greatly appreciated.

they hold a license by thetgc.ca which is based in Western New Brunswick, Canada, so you might want to look for a lawyer from there. be careful of people approaching you claiming they can help, 99.99% of them are scammers.

[The Cryptovator]

Casino Guru has requested additional documents from me which I am currently working through. I have asked them for clarification and will provide everything needed. I have nothing to hide and honestly I just hope this can still be resolved directly with MonkeyTilt.

Provide them with the additional documents they asked for. From our community's end, we have tried our maximum to solve the issues. Since we can't verify the reality of your claims or the casino's claims as well. Because we don't have any right to ask the casino for more inside evidence that would be harmful for them posting publicly. However, they could still share with any trusted person they want, but likely they will never do it.

From your end, make sure you haven't abused their platform with multiple accounts. If you are solid and haven't abused them, then the only option left is to take legal action. I am not sure how to do it; probably you have to talk with your legal adviser. We have nothing to do right now since one mediator ruled in their favour. If there is an option, then you should appeal there and cooperate with other mediators as well. 

[rohang]

Thank you for the advice, I really appreciate it. Do you happen to know any legal counsel or website that specialises in online casino disputes? Any referral would be greatly appreciated.

I genuinely hope this can still be resolved directly with MonkeyTilt. The money is mine, I won it fairly, and I am not walking away from it.

I have no idea, i would say start with the license/regulator website and make a complaint there, and ask them on how to proceed legally, as the amount is 100k which is a big amount anywhere