What do you have to say about this

[YOSHIE]

Why the hell will you transaction the bitcoin without using mixer they said, I mean the whole comment section was full with this same blame that mixers is the way to scam and escape without getting caught.

In my understanding, this is a case of fraud, women, whistleblowers and romance, meaning that if I judge, even though the man did not use Bitcoin in the transaction, the man was also arrested, I am sure of that.

I'm sure the man was arrested not because of Bitcoin transactions, but for falsifying and tracking TikTok or other social media accounts such as tapping cell phone numbers and so on. after the new arrest it was revealed that he used Bitcoin plus the testimony and evidence from the woman, there was no connection even though the man used a mixer, stock exchange and so on.

[justdimin]

The smart criminals use fiat to obscure, launder and hide their money. Using Bitcoin is far too dangerous because of how traceable it is. This story underlines this quite clearly.

Most criminals use fiat. Like over 95%.

Using mixers will not keep you safe either. You can untangle anything even the messiest of tangles. 

Cash is already untraceable enough, you do not really trace cash itself, digitally at banks maybe, but way before bitcoin was even a thing, people did criminal things and used many laundering ways to make this happen, it is not really that complicated at all.

Even the simplest "send it overseas" works, because you can send it to some small nation, and that cash could turn into local currency at exchange places there, and send back to you like a customer for an online business that you create (mostly fake) and you would look like you are making a profit on your online business, instead of looking like you are laundering money. This is literally the simplest thing and criminals do it all the time, hence fiat is the biggest currency for criminals, not crypto.

[Sandra_hakeem]

In actual sense, what exactly is the point of mixing them dirty coins then??

To placate centralised platforms to avoid them arbitrarily freezing your coins because they themselves placate overbearing regulators who in turn placate the government that placates uneducated voters and their uneducated opinions on "controlling Bitcoin".

If I got you correctly, what you're telling me is that everytime one uses a mixer, they're literally bribing said platforms to not flag and freeze their transactions, even though said transaction remains traceable if the law enforcement wants to have a look? Does it not infringe the standing order/strict AML regulations for the platforms? Or is that legal to perform, but not the mixing itself??

[DiMarxist]

So what is your point in essence, because I don't know am feeling that you are angry that mixers are been used to commit crime. What will you then say about Bitcoin there are people who have called Bitcoin a scam because, it has been turned into a tool of scam in the hands of criminal minded people. The fact about life is that, every good thing has it opposite and this is one thing that comes with using mixers.

[Oshio-man]

We know that criminals are everywhere in the world but the ones on decentralized investment are easy to be identify unless the newbies who are new to the system, this is the reason some government don't make bitcoin legal tender in their country because they know that some individuals will be using it to do other things that will make some people not to show interest on bitcoin, other countries that made bitcoin legalized in their countries, there is nothing can change their mind not to allow their citizens to have access to bitcoin and to improve financially in the future.

[Nothingtodo]

So what is your point in essence, because I don't know am feeling that you are angry that mixers are been used to commit crime. What will you then say about Bitcoin there are people who have called Bitcoin a scam because, it has been turned into a tool of scam in the hands of criminal minded people. The fact about life is that, every good thing has it opposite and this is one thing that comes with using mixers.

Yes, you are right because people still demand ransom through Bitcoin in various criminal activities. But I don't say Bitcoin or Mixer, because if people get involved in criminal activities, there is nothing they can do about it. However, both Bitcoin and Mixer were created for good purposes, but the sad thing is that people focus on bad use instead of using it for good.
If a criminal commits a crime using a mixer, then the criminal is definitely responsible, not the mixer. Again, if someone uses Bitcoin to engage in criminal activities, then the criminal is responsible, not Bitcoin.

[Josefjix]

So what is your point in essence, because I don't know am feeling that you are angry that mixers are been used to commit crime. What will you then say about Bitcoin there are people who have called Bitcoin a scam because, it has been turned into a tool of scam in the hands of criminal minded people. The fact about life is that, every good thing has it opposite and this is one thing that comes with using mixers.

Even centralized exchange addresses are used to scam people, even if they aren't mixed or hidden, most scammers who doesn't have the idea of using mixers still used many platforms for their successful scamming business. If the victims has more strength and connection to trace, that's fine.

If the victim could trace that the money goes down to Binance wallet, will Binance release the information of their user? I don't think.

[Z-tight]

So many tools can be used for the right and wrong reasons, it all depends on who is using it, that is why the focus should probably be on the user. I.e. the police use guns to arrest criminals, but bad guys also use guns to steal and kill people, the problem is clearly not guns, but in whose hands the gun is.

Mixer is a great tool for privacy. Criminals have been stealing and hiding their footprints for ages, long before BTC or mixers. To blame mixers for the actions of criminals is ridiculous, that's why a lot of us are having none of that.

[goldkingcoiner]

In actual sense, what exactly is the point of mixing them dirty coins then??

To placate centralised platforms to avoid them arbitrarily freezing your coins because they themselves placate overbearing regulators who in turn placate the government that placates uneducated voters and their uneducated opinions on "controlling Bitcoin".

If I got you correctly, what you're telling me is that everytime one uses a mixer, they're literally bribing said platforms to not flag and freeze their transactions, even though said transaction remains traceable if the law enforcement wants to have a look? Does it not infringe the standing order/strict AML regulations for the platforms? Or is that legal to perform, but not the mixing itself??

No that is not correct at all. Also, you are confusing privacy with anonymity.

[legiteum]

No that is not correct at all. Also, you are confusing privacy with anonymity.

What is the difference? Can you elaborate?

[m2017]

The numbers of criminals that have understood the possibilities of evading capture through the help of mixers is alarming, I don't know about your country, this is about mine.

So, just don't worry. It's harmful. Are you a fighter for mixer's rights and freedoms? 

Few days back a guy was arrested and all of his properties were seized, he scammed a foreigner (woman) in romance scam using a popular figure in my country, he cashed out using Bitcoin and he was traced easily, caught and sentenced.

What's wrong with this guy's good old fiat? Then surely no one would have tracked him down?

Few amounts was recovered while his seized properties are on sale to refund the women, what is shocking to me was what people said on tiktok, and almost all of them are from my country since they are using dialect signals and some had their flag up there.

Why the hell will you transaction the bitcoin without using mixer they said, I mean the whole comment section was full with this same blame that mixers is the way to scam and escape without getting caught.

Wow, people have realized the pseudo-privacy of bitcoin? Wasn't the Silk Road story enough?

You see, even criminals can benefit the community by teaching people to maintain privacy using mixers through their negative examples.

Some will say why is this post necessary, it's for those who thinks that mixers are only for people who want privacy in their lives, but this just prove to me that criminals are possibly using mixers more than those who just want to stay private.

More often? What's your conclusion based on? On just one case of this cunning thief stealing money from naive women? Your statistics are very inaccurate.

[Sandra_hakeem]

In actual sense, what exactly is the point of mixing them dirty coins then??

To placate centralised platforms to avoid them arbitrarily freezing your coins because they themselves placate overbearing regulators who in turn placate the government that placates uneducated voters and their uneducated opinions on "controlling Bitcoin".

If I got you correctly, what you're telling me is that everytime one uses a mixer, they're literally bribing said platforms to not flag and freeze their transactions, even though said transaction remains traceable if the law enforcement wants to have a look? Does it not infringe the standing order/strict AML regulations for the platforms? Or is that legal to perform, but not the mixing itself??

No that is not correct at all.

Can you expand on this, please?

No that is not correct at all. Also, you are confusing privacy with anonymity.

What is the difference? Can you elaborate?

Privacy-- ability to control access to your private/personal info. Anonymity-- Satoshi.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Some will say why is this post necessary, it's for those who thinks that mixers are only for people who want privacy in their lives, but this just prove to me that criminals are possibly using mixers more than those who just want to stay private.

There was never a time it was debate that criminals don't use mixers to hide and exchange stolen funds(bitcoins) for a clean bitcoin, maybe some never knew this but I believe majority of us know that criminals are mostly the ones who are patronizing mixers the most...

This is basically one the reasons why the government ended up taking over some of the mixers that become too big and popular some two, there years ago or so..

But another fact is that, what ever invention that is bad sure does have it's good side, mixers (aside being used more by criminals) is still very good and important to the bitcoin community when it comes to keeping and maintaining financial privacy 🔏, without the help of mixers, the government and any body can easily track a bitcoiner's transaction on the blockchain, especially if the person has passed kyc verification on any of this centralized exchanges, for such one to ensure that even the exchange aren't tracking the movement of his funds, a mixer has to be used to cut off any links.. So mixers are not bad to be honest, but it's rather unfortunate that criminals are the ones using it more..

[shinratensei_]

The problem with this kind of privacy tool is the people who only seek privacy without illicit activity is using it rarely while the criminal are laundering millions frequently if not more.
It is enough to argue that this tool bring more disaster than actual use and because the coins after going through the tool is considered dirty by the law obeying companies, the purpose strayed further away from just a privacy tool to a tool for money laundering.

[FinneysTrueVision]

From the very beginning, mixers were heavily promoted on darknet websites that appeal to certain kinds of people who were into activities that might not necessarily be considered legal. I don’t know if that’s still the case today, since Monero seems to be more popular on the dark web, but that association mixers have with illegal activity will always be there. I think the only reason they started advertising on more legit websites, like Bitcointalk, is because the visibility brought them more liquidity, which results in higher potential privacy for their core users.

[Asuspawer09]

I guess that is the thing when it comes to mixers, we are always going to get that the mixers are being used by scammers to have private and untraceable transactions, but the thing is, nothing is wrong about mixers if you want to be private on it, there is nothing wrong about hiding the transactions. Well were just stuck on that where the government wants the mixers gone because it can be used as a tool for scammers, but it just wasn't fair to do that since it was not all used in hacking, it is also used for privacy for some investors.

Let's just say that there are different sides to these kinds of discussions, there are people that is going to like and dislike it for sure, I guess we just need to find a way to solve it how to isolate the scammers that is using the mixers, and for just regualar user, for privacy.

[Rustam Meraj]

From the very beginning, mixers were heavily promoted on darknet websites that appeal to certain kinds of people who were into activities that might not necessarily be considered legal. I don’t know if that’s still the case today, since Monero seems to be more popular on the dark web, but that association mixers have with illegal activity will always be there. I think the only reason they started advertising on more legit websites, like Bitcointalk, is because the visibility brought them more liquidity, which results in higher potential privacy for their core users.

I agree that mixers were forced to move to main sites like this to stay alive and allow high cash flow to hide deals, however, most of mixer traffic was actually real users in search of simple money privacy and not criminals.
I believe that although rule makers are pushing towards fully clear blockchains, need to have privacy is no longer criminal issue but one of privacy value that any buyer willing to avoid total digital spying would need.
So link between mixers and illegal action has become unbreakable, yet with growth of power of Tax AI, need for such tools has turned into essential part of money freedom.

[AprilioMP]

Crime occurs because of the intent to commit it. If Mixer is used as a positive tool, it will not lead to criminal activity, because Mixer is a place where people value privacy.
People who value privacy and always prioritize it do not necessarily engage in illegal activities. Don’t blame everything in that space just because of one small blemish.

You speak volume about reality that align what is in my heart, no positive development that lack negative influencer,what you considered to give positive impact another will used it to create or course harm damaging the positive implications. Mixer is for privacy on those who mindset is centered to privacy but is never for those who is looking for means or measure to scam people. All we need to be careful despite considering mixer privacy some still use it to commit crime damaging the purpose of the mixer.

Crime stems from a strong underlying intent to commit it. We act in accordance with our thoughts. If our thoughts give rise to something positive, then our actions will also be positive.
Mixers can become a tool for criminals because they may exploit them for illegal activities, even though, by design, mixers are tools intended for people who prioritize privacy.
Since authorities in a country primarily observe illegal activities involving mixers, they no longer view them from the positive perspective of how they are used by law-abiding citizens.

[FortuneFollower]

From the very beginning, mixers were heavily promoted on darknet websites that appeal to certain kinds of people who were into activities that might not necessarily be considered legal. I don’t know if that’s still the case today, since Monero seems to be more popular on the dark web, but that association mixers have with illegal activity will always be there. I think the only reason they started advertising on more legit websites, like Bitcointalk, is because the visibility brought them more liquidity, which results in higher potential privacy for their core users.

True. Marketing where they can do it - why not to do it?