Connected Account Efforts that Sign Up for the Same Campaign.

[AakZaki]

When a connected account attempts to sign up for the same signature campaign, isn't that also part of campaign cheating?
Because when the linked accounts are both accepted in the campaign, the status is clear that it is a real cheater.

What do other DT members think about this?

I found 5 connected accounts, two of which attempted to register in the same campaign, but only one was accepted into that campaign.

Here are the connected accounts I found along with the proof:

cinaka omaro Member - Date Registered: 22 December 2017, 09:14:30 Last Active: 29 March 2026 (Banned)
Hanadawa Sr. Member - Date Registered: 30 December 2017, 12:14:37 Last Active: (Recently) (Bitania Campaign)
bisnisali16 Full Member - Date Registered: 07 January 2018, 05:14:14 Last Active: 31 March 2026, 15:01:35 (Attempts to cheat Bitania campaign)
Skuderman Newbie - Date Registered: 23 January 2018, 03:24:54 Last Active: 03 June 2019, 11:25:18
Karbitan Jr. Member - Date Registered: 15 February 2018, 05:50:55 Last Active: 29 April 2024, 08:50:49

Also pay attention to the registration time of the adjacent account.

Hanadawa and bisnisali16 registered in the Bitania campaign, but bisnisali16 was not accepted in the campaign, so they deleted their registration application.
Meanwhile, Hanadawa was accepted and was listed in the Bitania spreedshet




https://bitlist.co/post/66552803

Proof of Transaction on the ETH Blockchain:

Karbitan -0x2e0E7b5DBE5AaE2B045eade747a813E4171E4Bc8
cinaka omaro - 0x600052B8E0736231F07BC8d5aa53f32e74499654
Skuderman - 0x7F8468A305515ceF2cD20B6959ec8904BEf07B34

sent to

Indodax Deposit - 0xe4005A70D256aC3104F36a9D1085d7550851590B

https://etherscan.io/address/0xe4005a70d256ac3104f36a9d1085d7550851590b

cinaka omaro - 0x600052B8E0736231F07BC8d5aa53f32e74499654
sent to
Hanadawa - 0x2d85f15c293Bb7242dFBA0a32AE26BE98dE6b4f0

https://etherscan.io/tx/0x0ca63c9802a3d587cc9e6c5defd46cf08e9750795768ee236ea3de4c21e25e15

Karbitan - 0x2e0E7b5DBE5AaE2B045eade747a813E4171E4Bc8
sent to
Skuderman - 0x7F8468A305515ceF2cD20B6959ec8904BEf07B34

https://etherscan.io/tx/0x17f29135a612bcf7d53601498f6e10604561ade9f5ee84fa9a7aee597a70a0b0

Karbitan - 0x2e0E7b5DBE5AaE2B045eade747a813E4171E4Bc8
sent to
bisnisali16 - 0x87Fa063DB5a0D7E96c46Ec7947F6cfF2aA19cFB0

https://etherscan.io/address/0x2e0e7b5dbe5aae2b045eade747a813e4171e4bc8

Here is the proof of Merit Abuse, which was sent to your own account:


https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?from=cinaka%20omaro&to=Hanadawa
https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?to=cinaka%20omaro&from=Hanadawa
https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?to=cinaka%20omaro&from=bisnisali16


https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?from=bisnisali16&to=Hanadawa

[Tungbulu]

Although according to the law, attempted murder is an offense on its own. But it’s also another thing to consider if the murder was successful or a failed attempt.

The rule here I believe is quite different, the rule is don’t use your alts to participate in the same campaign, and if that’s not what happened there, then I don’t see any actual offense there. Except the user has multiple accounts that is actively l participating in the same Signature Campaign and has actually received signature payments from that same signature campaign at the same time frame, then I honestly can’t see an offense there. Attempting to join a signature campaign isn’t same thing as working in a signature campaign.

Just my thoughts.

[Free Market Capitalist]

The rule here I believe is quite different, the rule is don’t use your alts to participate in the same campaign, and if that’s not what happened there, then I don’t see any actual offense there.

It depends on the campaign. This one, for example, allows you to apply wit alts as long as you don't end up joining the campaign with more than one.

8. You, a person, are not allowed to enroll with more than one account.

This one, on the other hand, doesn't even let you apply with alts.

Alternative accounts can not apply.

And in the case of the Bitania campaign, which we're talking about, it's a little more confusing, because it says:



In other words, it mentions “enrolling,” not “applying,” so it might seem like you can apply with multiple alt accounts as long as you don't end up enrolling more than one. However, since it mentions “by any means,” it could also be interpreted as being prohibited.

The thing is, as often happens in these cases, if the two accounts that applied for the same campaign are equally deserving, it’s clear that if both had been accepted, they would have joined the same campaign.

To me, this is a clear case of a red tag.

I don't know if Rikafip has notifications turned on, but I'm mentioning him just in case he does, since this is the kind of situation we were talking about—mainly merit abuse, but not only that.

[Awaklara]

When a connected account attempts to sign up for the same signature campaign, isn't that also part of campaign cheating?

It seems that this was discussed before, and some managers have the opinion that registering with multiple accounts is not cheating, as long as only one account is accepted. But it will violate campaign rules if both or several accounts are proven to have joined the same campaign. I guess it goes back to the judgment of the campaign manager.

Also pay attention to the registration time of the adjacent account.

It's not just the registration time of those accounts. But take a look at the Moderator Log in BPIP, the accounts Hanadawa and bisnisali16 have a history of waking up at the same time.

[yahoo62278]

The argument I got when I questioned this back in the day was that people apply with all their accounts hoping 1 gets in. The issue is what if the manager selects multiple of a users accounts? There are alot of users that will not say a word and keep both accounts in the campaign hoping they don't get caught. IMO users should apply to a campaign with their best account if they have multiple accounts and not put themselves into situations that will turn out bad for them.

[_act_]

The argument I got when I questioned this back in the day was that people apply with all their accounts hoping 1 gets in. The issue is what if the manager selects multiple of a users accounts? There are alot of users that will not say a word and keep both accounts in the campaign hoping they don't get caught. IMO users should apply to a campaign with their best account if they have multiple accounts and not put themselves into situations that will turn out bad for them.

This is the best, it is very possible that if someone applied with more than one accounts and the accounts are selected by a campaign manager, there is higher tendency that the person will not tell the campaign manager that he does not want to use an account to participate anymore in the campaign. A very good user can apply with alt and still get into a campaign if he is a good poster and patient.

[Rikafip]

This is the best, it is very possible that if someone applied with more than one accounts and the accounts are selected by a campaign manager, there is higher tendency that the person will not tell the campaign manager that he does not want to use an account to participate anymore in the campaign.

Higher tendency? I would say it's almost certain they won't refuse spots in signature campaigns if all of their accounts get accepted.

I wonder if there ever was a case where someone said to a manager, "sorry, I have to reject the invitation with my xyz account because I also got in with my other account."

[Tungbulu]

The argument I got when I questioned this back in the day was that people apply with all their accounts hoping 1 gets in. The issue is what if the manager selects multiple of a users accounts? There are alot of users that will not say a word and keep both accounts in the campaign hoping they don't get caught. IMO users should apply to a campaign with their best account if they have multiple accounts and not put themselves into situations that will turn out bad for them.

Some people who actually might be involved in stuffs like this, I mean applying with multiple accounts are only hoping that one is picked, and maybe if an unintended outcome occurs where more than one account is picked by the manager, they’ll have options of either staying quiet and hope they’re not caught and not things just stays the way they are, or if they are honest enough, they’d decline/turn down the offer from one of the accounts. From what I know, when an account is accepted in a campaign in some cases, they’ll be required to confirm/accept the offer first by the either submitting a their current post count or some other ways, before they can fully get enrolled in the campaign and start working for the company.

So in a situation where a user whose alts got accepted in a campaign but declined the offer to one of his accounts, can we say he has also defaulted or cheated in the campaign?

I wanted to bring up this question some time ago, but it kinda skipped my mind, I’m glad this issue this came up now, at least people asking the same questions could also learn a thing or two here.

[AakZaki]

It seems that this was discussed before, and some managers have the opinion that registering with multiple accounts is not cheating, as long as only one account is accepted. But it will violate campaign rules if both or several accounts are proven to have joined the same campaign. I guess it goes back to the judgment of the campaign manager.

The problem is that they don't mark the connected account neutral, so I always think that it's a form of cheating and cheating the manager in every way from the account owner.

It would be a different story if they marked their connected account neutral and then signed up for the same campaign. so that way the Manager won't be fooled if he decides to accept them, I think the Manager will choose one of the best of those connected accounts.

Honesty should be a priority, not allowing all forms of cheating to exist.
After all, among the five accounts, there is an account that has been Banned, meaning that this person has made a fatal mistake. Can it be said to be "Ban Evasion"?

They have also committed Merit Abuse, and these five connected accounts I think the end goal is to cheat the campaign. What about it?
If the goal is to improve the post I don't think so, because in the last 120 days they only got 2 Merit.

It's not just the registration time of those accounts. But take a look at the Moderator Log in BPIP, the accounts Hanadawa and bisnisali16 have a history of waking up at the same time.

It was also verified by you, thank you, friend.

[lovesmayfamilis]

After all, among the five accounts, there is an account that has been Banned, meaning that this person has made a fatal mistake. Can it be said to be "Ban Evasion"?

Everyone knows the conditions under which one of the blocked accounts must have some kind of connection with its other alternative accounts. General transactions will not be considered by moderators as something that can be relied upon to ban all accounts. Do these accounts have common social networks or wallet numbers? At the same time, the wallet number or social account must be the first one to appear on the forum, after which other accounts have used these social accounts or wallets.

As for the general application for participation in the company's signature, those who are honest will not have any previous joint companies in their history. Just like those who have previously engaged in cheating, they may find "common" companies with a proper search.

[JollyGood]

i will need some time to check the accounts involved as mentioned in the OP before commenting further. Having said that, there are too many farmed accounts that have taken advantage of the situation. If the accounts receive appropriate tags at the earliest stage, it will affect the plans the puppeteers had and overall, that disruption will benefit the community.

If those accounts are denied loans and frowned upon by all of the campaign managers, they are rendered virtually useless. If the tags are placed, I hope those accounts are ignored by campaign managers.

[Pandu Geddon]

They have also committed Merit Abuse, and these five connected accounts I think the end goal is to cheat the campaign. What about it?

Even if not for cheating the signature campaign, at least I am sure that those accounts were indeed intended to join the campaign. Just look at the account @bisnisali16; it doesn't seem active in making posts, but there is a strange pattern shown by that account. It deleted all the application posts it had made. On the account profile, we can see there are only 129 posts for now, whereas on Bitlist, we saw around 300 posts. Many posts were deleted by the account itself. Patterns like this are usually seen in accounts that are likely to be or have already changed hands.

[Sandra_hakeem]

The argument I got when I questioned this back in the day was that people apply with all their accounts hoping 1 gets in. The issue is what if the manager selects multiple of a users accounts? There are alot of users that will not say a word and keep both accounts in the campaign hoping they don't get caught. IMO users should apply to a campaign with their best account if they have multiple accounts and not put themselves into situations that will turn out bad for them.

Higher tendency? I would say it's almost certain they won't refuse spots in signature campaigns if all of their accounts get accepted.

Like Rik said, without a doubt, no one will refuse a spot after being selected, so the whole concept of submitting two alts, sometimes reflects to one thing-- bounty cheating.

I wonder if there ever was a case where someone said to a manager, "sorry, I have to reject the invitation with my xyz account because I also got in with my other account."

If they ever confronted the manager with it, wouldn't that be just another dilemma, since it's always clearly stated on most camp. starting thread that:

You, a person, are not allowed to enroll with more than one account

[Zoomic]

The argument I got when I questioned this back in the day was that people apply with all their accounts hoping 1 gets in. The issue is what if the manager selects multiple of a users accounts? There are alot of users that will not say a word and keep both accounts in the campaign hoping they don't get caught. IMO users should apply to a campaign with their best account if they have multiple accounts and not put themselves into situations that will turn out bad for them.

If having sex is a sin, a man should not be encouraged to live in a female hostel.

Some rules actually can lead one into temptation.

A greedy and undisciplined person cannot resist the urge to continue posting if two of their accounts are accepted in a particular campaign. It is good to discourage the rule of being able to apply with your two accounts, unless there is a hidden advantage that the manager saw that I am yet to understand.

[JollyGood]

If having sex is a sin, a man should not be encouraged to live in a female hostel.

Some rules actually can lead one into temptation.

Now that is an analogy that really made laugh loud

A greedy and undisciplined person cannot resist the urge to continue posting if two of their accounts are accepted in a particular campaign. It is good to discourage the rule of being able to apply with your two accounts, unless there is a hidden advantage that the manager saw that I am yet to understand.

The forum is flooded with farmed accounts. The advent of AI has made it slightly easier for them as they can generate posts to copy/paste rather than type them manually in order to meet the campaign quota.

As long as there is a possibility of getting paid for posting via campaigns, there will be temptation to create account farms and alt-accounts. To some degree, by virtue of the way the system has been created it seems account farmers are encouraged to embark on industrial scale cheating.

[Free Market Capitalist]

So, nobody has red tagged those accounts yet?

I understand that the transactions could be an indication that they are the same person, but they don’t carry the same weight as if, for example, those accounts had used the same address for campaigns.

On the topic of whether or not to apply using alts, I used to believe that it was possible for an honest person to have undeclared alts and apply to the same campaign, only to join with one account if both were accepted. But given what we usually see, that possibility—if it exists at all—is very remote. I think it would be better if all managers adopted a unified policy and outright banned applying to the same campaign using alts. After all, if you’re honest, you wouldn’t mind applying with just one alt to one campaign. You can still apply with the other to different ones.

[Hanadawa]

Thank you for all the attention from all the members here. I don't know where to start. I was also surprised when I saw that my account had received a red trust rating.

There may be some rules I'm not aware of, but I think some managers strictly prohibit applying with more than one account.

Alternative accounts cannot apply.

Although I remember AB de Royse777 once allowed applications with alternate accounts.

Some managers also allow you to register with an alternate account as long as you don't join the campaign with more than one account, as stated by @
Free Market Capitalist

8. You, as a person, are not allowed to enroll with more than one account.

In the case of Bitania, I think this is a gray area, and I interpret the rule as prohibiting participation in the same campaign with more than one account if the alternate account has also been accepted.

Honestly, I never had any intention of cheating the campaign. If both of my accounts were accepted, I would have told the manager that I chose not to join because my alternate account had also been accepted.

Unfortunately, I can't prove this because I've never been accepted into the same campaign. But accusing me of trying to cheat the campaign is, I think, a mere assumption. But can you see, have I ever tried to cheat in a contest or campaign with my two accounts? As far as I can remember, I've participated in contests in games and rounds, but I've never tried to cheat by using two accounts if there was a clear ban. Although, to be honest, I think I've made that mistake once in the past.

I also earned merit from NotATether in a Bitcoin node running challenge. And I didn't try to cheat that challenge by registering an alternate account, as that's strictly prohibited.

• Do not enroll alt accounts.
  

I applied with two accounts in the hope that one of them would be accepted. And if both of my accounts were accepted, I would honestly tell the manager using one of my accounts that I couldn't join because my alternate account had already been accepted. I might even tell my alternate account if the manager asked.


Regarding merit abuse, that was a fatal mistake in my past. Yes, it was my mistake when I sent one or two merits to my alternate account. I've corrected my mistake. Of the 453 merits I've received, I've sent them to other people I thought deserved them. You can check my BPIP.


As for the banned account, I've tried to appeal several times to the email address listed, but I haven't received any response. I only woke up to send an email and check the account. Honestly, I don't fully understand the ban evasion rules. I thought that if I, as a person, couldn't create a new account just because my old one had been banned, that meant I was no longer allowed to be a forum member. Furthermore, I created the account before my other account was banned. Please correct me if I'm misunderstanding the rules.

[Pandu Geddon]

Honestly, I never had any intention of cheating the campaign. If both of my accounts were accepted, I would have told the manager that I chose not to join because my alternate account had also been accepted.

If you have no intention of cheating, you certainly would not apply to the same campaign with your other account. You can apply to another campaign calmly. 
Then, you do not tag your alt account. The manager certainly does not know what is on your mind. If both of your accounts get two participant slots in the same campaign, I’m not sure you would give up one slot. 
Because you do not tag your alt account. Now, other members are helping you tag your accounts.

[Hanadawa]

Then, you do not tag your alt account. The manager If both of your accounts get two participant slots in the same campaign, I’m not sure you would give up one slot.  

So it's a shame I never got that chance. And it's a shame so many people try to cheat the campaign by participating with their alternate accounts.
If the campaign didn't prohibit applying with alternate accounts, I think I could have tried, but I would never have participated with an alternate account if I was accepted. I could have been honest with the manager via PM. I think accusing me of applying with an alternate account and saying I definitely wouldn't give up my slot if both of my alternate accounts were accepted is still an assumption. Because I never intended to cheat by participating in one campaign with two accounts. I'd rather get paid for my honest work than feel guilty about earning money dishonestly. It may sound cliché, but I was just hoping for a chance to get one of my accounts accepted. I wasn't trying to cheat the campaign.

[lovesmayfamilis]

I wasn't trying to cheat the campaign.

After you were caught, did you start talking about your honesty? You know, if Grandma had balls, she'd be a grandfather. Try to understand this, as your words sound similar. If only...

You're also talking nonsense about not knowing the blocking rules. There are rules, and they are written clearly, but you are now making excuses by saying that you do not understand.
What's not clear about this?

25. Ban evasion (using or creating accounts while one of your accounts is banned) is not allowed.[e]

You have had cases of abuse of participation in the same company (you say it yourself). After that, all the other words for what you would admit and blah, blah, are worthless.

Why submit two applications? You write the same way. The manager may see you as a person, but by doubling the application, you seem to be hoping for the manager's blindness, or, on the contrary, you are very self-confident, thinking that you can be accepted twice.