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April 10, 2026, 02:25:00 PM
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Why are people wasting their time to know who Satoshi is when Satoshi is not ready to disclose himself, herself or themselves.

Knowing that they are the media, they will always come up with things that they can make into articles, since until now the identity of Satoshi is still not revealed so it is an interesting thing and they will continue to discuss it.

Maybe they will come up with new names that they think are also related to cryptography, computers, etc., whoever they think is "satoshi" --- but in the end it will only be a trash article because until now anything that tries to reveal Satoshi's identity is just speculation without any strong evidence.

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April 10, 2026, 03:52:28 PM
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Satoshi is dead, and there will never be proof that someone is satoshi. Any proof that comes with a private key will not be valid, as it can not be proven that the original person is the one who has access to this key in the future. Therefore, objectively he is dead. Most people have issues with permanent death or near permanent death (I'm looking at you @d5000) and want to dismiss stuff like this on weird grounds instead of accepting the reality.
My point in the other discussion was just that I consider death "permanent" and not "some state where you could recover from, even if it's unlikely". Tongue (So for your original argumentation for example something that's obsolete is "dead" - but look at vinyl records, for example ...) That discussion is not so much about the word "dead" but about "black and white" vs. "grayscale" (or even "colourful") worldviews Wink

And here we've the same problem. I guess that you in general are correct, and that the likelihood that anybody could convince somebody that he's Satoshi is very low. But I would not categorically rule it out that he's found. If someone has access to several private keys of the Satoshi era (as an undiscovered QC which already could run Shor's algorithm, would have difficulties with, as every key would take years even if current maximum qubit numbers would not need error correction at all) _and_ can present timestamped documents (published and/or emailed to other known people) from the pre-AI era, then a lot of people would believe them. I'm sure historians could tell more about accepted methods to prove a fact in the digital past.
Of course you are technically correct, but I and many others can conceive all kinds of utopian and prefect scenarios by which someone could prove that they are Satoshi. However, we are not here in the world of theoretical and as I accuse many others of doing, in worlds from TV shows and movies. How probable is it that someone has made this kind of plan, along with this invention, that they will come out 20 years later or even more after with mathematically sound proof that they are Satoshi? We are talking about proof that is so carefully constructed that there can be no doubt that it was stolen from someone else under whatever circumstances, and that no holes can be made in it. Seriously? When did this happen in reality for something in the scale of that we are talking about here? Once, twice, never? Not even Snoweden had that kind of proof for his things, even though the circumstances are completely different of course.

Realistically speaking, give it a few more years and the key ownership will be completely irrelevant and will not be proof of anything. That means that one of the cornerstone pieces of evidence will fall away soon, and nothing remains other than some movie scenario of perfect proof construction with 15 years of thinking ahead. See, this also relates to your "unlikely" bias relating to your views to death. I am practical with this, and I know because I have retired many identities in the past too and I don't even remember all their names anymore. Satoshi is dead.

I can of course understand your and other Bitcoiners' need to let Satoshi RIP and keep him as a mythological figure. But imo, without some popcorn sometimes, life would be boring. Smiley (As long as no personality rights are violated.)
Popcorn is nice but let's keep things exciting and create new topics and things, and not come back with another wild goose chase that is based on bullshit. The quality of "research" that led to the conclusion that it is Adam Back is the level of an elementary school kid.

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April 10, 2026, 08:16:49 PM
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Satoshi is dead, the quest is over.
I also think this one, but there is no factual evidence about this, either.  This has the same issue as others who claim that this guy is Satoshi.  No Evidence to back it up.
You didn't understand the point then at all. This claim does not require evidence. There is no way for a person to prove that they are Satoshi anymore, so the Satoshi persona is dead forever. Read again carefully what I have said as part of the prelude to that statement. You quoted it out of context and then fabricated a dismissal that does not make sense.

No, you are putting a philosophical belief in your statement not a factual thing.  The thread is about discussion on factual stuff and you are refuting people claiming to be Satoshi, then concluding that Satoshi is dead in your own narrative.  You are refuting the narratives because it lacks proof, then dismiss if someone is challenging your stance that Satoshi is dead despite the fact that you have no proof at all.

In your philosophical view, you can say that there is no way for a person to prove that they are Satoshi, but have you thought that the same statement can be used to refute your narrative?

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April 10, 2026, 08:22:09 PM
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How probable is it that someone has made this kind of plan, along with this invention, that they will come out 20 years later or even more after with mathematically sound proof that they are Satoshi?
The only thing Satoshi needs to deliver a quite convincing proof is a solid backup strategy for their keys and their emails. That's not too much to expect from a cypherpunk, I think.

I think indeed the probability is low that Satoshi "comes out" by himself, but not negligibly low. A possible event I have in mind is a post-quantum scenario. Let's say in a few years QCs become better and better, and suddenly someone moves one of the rewards of the known Patoshi addresses. It's possible that people begin to doubt then that the transaction was made with help of a quantum computer hack, which could be devastating for the Bitcoin price if the preparations for PQ cryptography haven't advanced properly until then. If Satoshi wants to protect his "child" then there is a certain probability that he comes out just in this moment, or at least someone proves anonymously that he doesn't only own the keys for that address where the coins were moved, but several others of the Patoshi keys too, and perhaps even provides proofs for other timestamped documents.

Regarding Adam Back I consider him one of the more likely candidates. It's above all quite interesting that he was one of the few people who was really interested in Wei Dai's b-money. Satoshi's "Microsoft preference" mentioned above in the thread could well be a red herring. But still, I think none of the candidates, including Back, Todd, Sassaman, Szabo and others, have a probability of more than 20% for me to be Satoshi. So this is not an endorsement of the theory of the NYT journalist (and the article is indeed quite poor, a 2020 video from Barely Sociable with the same theory was a bit more convincing).

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April 10, 2026, 09:54:28 PM
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Based on what has emerged in the article and from Adam Back’s response to the New York Times confrontation, it is highly likely that he is Satoshi. In this case, it is rather Adam Back who needs to prove that he is not Satoshi — which he could do quite easily. But it isn't easy because he is Satoshi. The end game.
How exactly Adam Back could prove that he isn't Satoshi if the general public assumption and media keep calling him the real Satoshi though? there is no actual way to prove that he isn't Satoshi the same way Dorian Nakamoto is having a hard time proving that he isn't Satoshi.

I mean you wouldn't expect him to sign using some random addresses and make announcement that he isn't Satoshi right? Roll Eyes


Are you kidding me? He could easily prove that he isn’t Satoshi by showing that he was giving a lecture, going for a run or a marathon, attending a conference in another country — whatever. But simply claiming ‘I’m not Satoshi’ isn’t enough when all signs point toward one person.

I know some people think that only someone claiming to be Satoshi Nakamoto needs to prove it, but I don’t buy that, because it’s quite clear that Satoshi wants to hide his identity due to the theoretical risks associated with that name.
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Today at 03:37:55 AM
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Are you kidding me? He could easily prove that he isn’t Satoshi by showing that he was giving a lecture, going for a run or a marathon, attending a conference in another country — whatever. But simply claiming ‘I’m not Satoshi’ isn’t enough when all signs point toward one person.

I know some people think that only someone claiming to be Satoshi Nakamoto needs to prove it, but I don’t buy that, because it’s quite clear that Satoshi wants to hide his identity due to the theoretical risks associated with that name.

Dorian Nakamoto did exactly that, refuting and stated clearly that he is not Satoshi in several occasions even going as far as hiring lawyer, people still believe he is regardless.

Adam Back is actually doing the right thing by just refuting it and let the rumour fade, because keep stating it over and over again is kind of pointless.

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Today at 03:47:21 AM
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I read the article from the NYT, and what it contains is speculation, not analysis:

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/08/business/takeaways-satoshi-nakamoto-bitcoin-adam-back.html

The article discusses the similarities between Satoshi and Adam Back, noting that both prefer to operate anonymously online, using pseudonyms. Adam Back was also credited with pioneering almost all of Bitcoin's features.

How many times has some publication or newspaper come out and said someting to that extent already for Adam Back? I feel like this is dejavu because haven't we seen this happen multiple times over the years? Adam Back does have a good profile to be an eligible candidate, pretty sure he was an original cyber punk and worked on bitgold and Satoshi sort of built off of his earlier work, right?

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Today at 09:20:35 AM
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I can't stand most of the comments here. You are all just Privacy NPCs (aka Linux NPCs) who spew the most predictable non-sense ever. You guys just hate journalists because you think you are going against the mainstream, but don't realize that that became the mainstream several years ago and now you're just an NPC. You don't care about facts or evidence, you just want to vomit our your emotions based on your world view.

The fact is the NYT piece was amazing and conclusive. The evidence proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that that Adam Back is Satoshi. I love journalists and I love the New York Times. Cry more you NPCs.
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Today at 12:57:16 PM
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Adam Back is NOT Satoshi Nakamoto, New York Times is full of losers who using GPT and then banging their chest about what GPT found.

You want to see who is Satoshi Nakamoto? Follow the money trail!

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