Fan cooled and water cooled Bitcoin miners, any difference?

[FP91G]

The heat dissipation performance of water cooling is significantly superior to that of air cooling.

Water conducts heat much more efficiently than air, allowing it to quickly remove heat energy from the source.
Water has a higher heat capacity and can therefore absorb more heat. Water cooling allows for the use of much larger external radiators, and the fan often rotates slower and quieter, providing better cooling.
However, air cooling still wins in terms of reliability and simplicity.

[Conqueror777]

I am seeing new solo miner from BitAxe/NerdAxe which are water cooled, that same cooler that gaming PC used to make the CPU gets cooler, my question about this miners is if the water cooled miners are way cooler than the fans on others.

Have anyone able to buy both fan BitAxe/NerdAxe miner and a water cooled BitAxe and compare their cooling results?
I want to know, because if the water cooled is more effective then the BitAxe will survive for longer, I believe.

Anyone have experience about this?

Definitely go for water cooling since water as a medium is more effective in taking heat than air.

[FP91G]

I am seeing new solo miner from BitAxe/NerdAxe which are water cooled, that same cooler that gaming PC used to make the CPU gets cooler, my question about this miners is if the water cooled miners are way cooler than the fans on others.

Have anyone able to buy both fan BitAxe/NerdAxe miner and a water cooled BitAxe and compare their cooling results?
I want to know, because if the water cooled is more effective then the BitAxe will survive for longer, I believe.

Anyone have experience about this?

Definitely go for water cooling since water as a medium is more effective in taking heat than air.

A very strange tip. An air-cooled ASIC can be plugged into a power outlet right away and will mine Bitcoin. For a water-cooled ASIC, you'll need to buy either a special container (for a batch of ASICs) or a solo cooling system for a single ASIC, or build your own. If you look at the prices of solo water-cooled options, you won't want this ASIC.

[philipma1957]

look if you want the gear to last longer clock the air cooled bitaxe at lower freq and lower fan.

less heat and less vibration problem of lasting is solved.

just remember a bitaxe needs well over a century to hit a block

in fact over a millennium.

[FP91G]

The average lifespan of a BitAxe is 4 to 7 years, but we must take into account the fact that solo mining on these devices is only viable for 2-3 years, as mining difficulty is constantly increasing.

For trouble-free mining, simply replace the stock thermal paste with good quality and clean the device every 3-4 months.

[xiaoyu1222006]

Liquid cooling delivers higher sustainable hash rate, while air cooling has limitations constrained by heat dissipation capacity.

[FP91G]

Liquid cooling delivers higher sustainable hash rate, while air cooling has limitations constrained by heat dissipation capacity.

If you compare the cost of ASICs and the cost of a cooling system, you won't always want to use liquid cooling. Newer chips are very expensive to make now,
3 nm and 9.5 J/TH are very good results. But for now, ASIC manufacturers aren't abandoning air cooling.

[Outhue]

Power outages are bad for any equipment, even air-cooled ones. Frequent outages lead to rapid degradation of chips. I have no experience with water cooling, but I would simply drain the system with distilled water in a critical situation, and nothing would freeze in the cooling system. Then I would refill it with this water.

This is not the first time that I will hear about power outage not good for any equipment, there was a time where I was mining Ethereum and I had so many graphics cards, like 26 of them, I had problem with grid power then because it was epileptic but that was how I used the equipments for years before Ethereum gave up on PoW.

Now that I am running some Asic miners on my solar setups it has reduced alot but when the sun goes down I always have to shut down some miners because of my battery backup and if grid comes I will have to switch, but I've never had any problems with PSU getting burned , only socket extension that got spoilt.

[FP91G]

Power outages are bad for any equipment, even air-cooled ones. Frequent outages lead to rapid degradation of chips. I have no experience with water cooling, but I would simply drain the system with distilled water in a critical situation, and nothing would freeze in the cooling system. Then I would refill it with this water.

This is not the first time that I will hear about power outage not good for any equipment, there was a time where I was mining Ethereum and I had so many graphics cards, like 26 of them, I had problem with grid power then because it was epileptic but that was how I used the equipments for years before Ethereum gave up on PoW.

Now that I am running some Asic miners on my solar setups it has reduced alot but when the sun goes down I always have to shut down some miners because of my battery backup and if grid comes I will have to switch, but I've never had any problems with PSU getting burned , only socket extension that got spoilt.

The Ethash algorithm required fast video memory, and the graphics chip typically operated at a reduced voltage. It wasn't a high-speed algorithm, so graphics cards only ran with memory overclocked.
However, many miners still experienced memory failure due to non-recommended graphics card operating modes.

The effects of sudden shutdowns are very negative, when the chip is hot and cools down without cooling.

[Somegory]

Power outages are bad for any equipment, even air-cooled ones. Frequent outages lead to rapid degradation of chips. I have no experience with water cooling, but I would simply drain the system with distilled water in a critical situation, and nothing would freeze in the cooling system. Then I would refill it with this water.

This is not the first time that I will hear about power outage not good for any equipment, there was a time where I was mining Ethereum and I had so many graphics cards, like 26 of them, I had problem with grid power then because it was epileptic but that was how I used the equipments for years before Ethereum gave up on PoW.

Now that I am running some Asic miners on my solar setups it has reduced alot but when the sun goes down I always have to shut down some miners because of my battery backup and if grid comes I will have to switch, but I've never had any problems with PSU getting burned , only socket extension that got spoilt.

The Ethash algorithm required fast video memory, and the graphics chip typically operated at a reduced voltage. It wasn't a high-speed algorithm, so graphics cards only ran with memory overclocked.
However, many miners still experienced memory failure due to non-recommended graphics card operating modes.

The effects of sudden shutdowns are very negative, when the chip is hot and cools down without cooling.

Sudden shutdown and on of home electronics easily got spoilt in my home, I have experienced where our home TV, sound system, freezer and radio all dead in a week, it was through stabilizer that I knew the grid power wasn't stable, fluctuating, it was responsible for killing all those home appliances.

Since then I knew the importance of stable electricity, the solution that Outhue is looking for is UPS (Uninterruptible Power Supply), this solved the problem to suddenly shutdown of electronic devices, it gives time to switch between two power solutions while things are still running.

I don't have this problem anymore because of UPS.

[stompix]

Since then I knew the importance of stable electricity, the solution that Outhue is looking for is UPS (Uninterruptible Power Supply), this solved the problem to suddenly shutdown of electronic devices, it gives time to switch between two power solutions while things are still running.
I don't have this problem anymore because of UPS.

How much is a battery that can hold at least 1h/4kw capable ups per ASIC?
How long will you ROI on that investment?
Bitmain and the others have even topped out doing 3kw miners; now they are in the range of 5-6kw, if you want to power 3 of them for an hour, you need at least something at 500Ah an 48v, like a forklift golft cart battery, not your ordinary PSU. And there goes off the window another 2 months of mining.

Liquid cooling delivers higher sustainable hash rate, while air cooling has limitations constrained by heat dissipation capacity.

Heat is heat, air cooling in 10C ambient temperature would beat immersion cooling when the cooling tower sits at 40C.

[FP91G]

Power outages are bad for any equipment, even air-cooled ones. Frequent outages lead to rapid degradation of chips. I have no experience with water cooling, but I would simply drain the system with distilled water in a critical situation, and nothing would freeze in the cooling system. Then I would refill it with this water.

This is not the first time that I will hear about power outage not good for any equipment, there was a time where I was mining Ethereum and I had so many graphics cards, like 26 of them, I had problem with grid power then because it was epileptic but that was how I used the equipments for years before Ethereum gave up on PoW.

Now that I am running some Asic miners on my solar setups it has reduced alot but when the sun goes down I always have to shut down some miners because of my battery backup and if grid comes I will have to switch, but I've never had any problems with PSU getting burned , only socket extension that got spoilt.

The Ethash algorithm required fast video memory, and the graphics chip typically operated at a reduced voltage. It wasn't a high-speed algorithm, so graphics cards only ran with memory overclocked.
However, many miners still experienced memory failure due to non-recommended graphics card operating modes.

The effects of sudden shutdowns are very negative, when the chip is hot and cools down without cooling.

Sudden shutdown and on of home electronics easily got spoilt in my home, I have experienced where our home TV, sound system, freezer and radio all dead in a week, it was through stabilizer that I knew the grid power wasn't stable, fluctuating, it was responsible for killing all those home appliances.

Since then I knew the importance of stable electricity, the solution that Outhue is looking for is UPS (Uninterruptible Power Supply), this solved the problem to suddenly shutdown of electronic devices, it gives time to switch between two power solutions while things are still running.

I don't have this problem anymore because of UPS.

A UPS is very expensive equipment, especially for ASICs. Can you imagine the price of a UPS for 10 3.3kW ASICs?
Miners used PFC power supplies for their video cards. I remember well that Corsair RM1000x, RM1000e, HX1000, HX1000i, and AX1000 worked perfectly in the 100 to 240V AC range and served as excellent stabilizer.

ASICs use different stabilizer, but I haven't encountered miners who use UPSs for ASICs.

[stompix]

ASICs use different stabilizer, but I haven't encountered miners who use UPSs for ASICs.

A voltage stabilizer for 10 kW, so you at least multiply it by 1.5, and let's stick to the basic single-phase 220 V, not 3x 400v is about 2000 euros if you go for a brand that you know you can put your trust in it, we for example, run an Ortea for our mills and pellet makers.
But that is just the stabilizer if your power is cut, you need batteries, so unless you can get cheap golf cart or forklift batteries, that's 48v initial 300-500ah maybe half the capcity nowadys prepare again to spend more on that.

With 3 cents per th...seriously....

[FP91G]

ASICs use different stabilizer, but I haven't encountered miners who use UPSs for ASICs.

A voltage stabilizer for 10 kW, so you at least multiply it by 1.5, and let's stick to the basic single-phase 220 V, not 3x 400v is about 2000 euros if you go for a brand that you know you can put your trust in it, we for example, run an Ortea for our mills and pellet makers.
But that is just the stabilizer if your power is cut, you need batteries, so unless you can get cheap golf cart or forklift batteries, that's 48v initial 300-500ah maybe half the capcity nowadys prepare again to spend more on that.

With 3 cents per th...seriously....

10 kW 850 usdt in Russia. This device has been tested by many miners
https://resanta.ru/stabilizator-asn-10000-1-i-resanta/ 
The maximum power of connected equipment is 9000 W, and the device can withstand short overloads of up to 150% power for no more than 5 seconds, allowing it to connect devices with high inrush currents.Input voltage range from 90 to 310 V.

If you add batteries to this stabilizer, it will be a UPS, but the price is very expensive.

[stompix]

10 kW 850 usdt in Russia. This device has been tested by many miners
https://resanta.ru/stabilizator-asn-10000-1-i-resanta/ 
The maximum power of connected equipment is 9000 W, and the device can withstand short overloads of up to 150% power for no more than 5 seconds, allowing it to connect devices with high inrush currents.Input voltage range from 90 to 310 V.

Oranges and lemons 
https://www.orteanext.com/product/vega/
15kwa, 200% overload for 2 minutes.
Even in the link it says it's for houses and home offices, what I'm talking about is industrial-grade stuff.

[philipma1957]

10 kW 850 usdt in Russia. This device has been tested by many miners
https://resanta.ru/stabilizator-asn-10000-1-i-resanta/ 
The maximum power of connected equipment is 9000 W, and the device can withstand short overloads of up to 150% power for no more than 5 seconds, allowing it to connect devices with high inrush currents.Input voltage range from 90 to 310 V.

Oranges and lemons 
https://www.orteanext.com/product/vega/
15kwa, 200% overload for 2 minutes.
Even in the link it says it's for houses and home offices, what I'm talking about is industrial-grade stuff.

I would say kia forte vs Lexus 350

[FP91G]

10 kW 850 usdt in Russia. This device has been tested by many miners
https://resanta.ru/stabilizator-asn-10000-1-i-resanta/ 
The maximum power of connected equipment is 9000 W, and the device can withstand short overloads of up to 150% power for no more than 5 seconds, allowing it to connect devices with high inrush currents.Input voltage range from 90 to 310 V.

Oranges and lemons 
https://www.orteanext.com/product/vega/
15kwa, 200% overload for 2 minutes.
Even in the link it says it's for houses and home offices, what I'm talking about is industrial-grade stuff.

That's right, this kind of equipment is installed in private homes, but it works well with ASICs
850 usdt
https://resanta.ru/stabilizator-asn-10000-1-i-resanta/
This inverter stabilizer operates as a UPS within the set voltage range. It's perfect for two ASICs, each rated at 3.3 kW.

240 usdt
https://resanta.ru/odnofaznyj-cifrovoj-nastennyj-stabilizator-serii-lux-resanta-asn-10000n-1-c/
This relay stabilizer is suitable for older ASICs, but is typically used for a single 3-4 kW ASIC. However, they are used where the voltage is more stable at 170-240 volts and fluctuations are rare.

You may write that this is wrong, but home miners in Russia often use it because it is cheap.

[stompix]

You may write that this is wrong, but home miners in Russia often use it because it is cheap.

It's not about being right or wrong; this is about this continuous, we have this in Russia is better, cheaper, smarter than everything else! It's nauseating!

Let's keep the patriotism out of it and speak with numbers, right?
You can't compare a 9000w with a 15000w unit, you can't compare a 5 second overload protection with a 120 second overload protection; you can't compare 150% with 200%.

Does your advertised beloved made-in-USSR unit work? Of course it does! Does it work like the one I mention? Of course it doesn't!
Is the Vega15 I mentioned pure crap compared to a Staco MVR-1000 of course it is, that thing is a 1.5MW industrial monster, but just because it's half a million euros and not 2000, the Vega isn't better cause it's 250 cheaper.

[FP91G]

You may write that this is wrong, but home miners in Russia often use it because it is cheap.

It's not about being right or wrong; this is about this continuous, we have this in Russia is better, cheaper, smarter than everything else! It's nauseating!

Let's keep the patriotism out of it and speak with numbers, right?
You can't compare a 9000w with a 15000w unit, you can't compare a 5 second overload protection with a 120 second overload protection; you can't compare 150% with 200%.

Does your advertised beloved made-in-USSR unit work? Of course it does! Does it work like the one I mention? Of course it doesn't!
Is the Vega15 I mentioned pure crap compared to a Staco MVR-1000 of course it is, that thing is a 1.5MW industrial monster, but just because it's half a million euros and not 2000, the Vega isn't better cause it's 250 cheaper.

I didn't expect such a reaction from you.
Resanta is a joint brand of the Latvian company S.I.A. Resanta and the German electrical equipment manufacturer HÜTER Elektrische Technik GmbH. The equipment is manufactured in China.

I have three 10-kilowatt phases. One wire goes to the house, and two phases go to single-phase stabilizers, and then to ASICs with a 5-6-kilowatt load per phase.
I hope you realize you're being overly critical.

[stompix]

I didn't expect such a reaction from you.
Resanta is a joint brand of the Latvian company S.I.A. Resanta and the German electrical equipment manufacturer HÜTER Elektrische Technik GmbH. The equipment is manufactured in China.

I couldn't care less!
Are we talking numbers or something else?
You want serious protection surge, or you want what it works,or do you even need it?

Are you mining with a scarap 19j you bought for $60 in an apartment where you have never had issues, then you need nothing more than the circuit breaker.
Are you mining with 1-2 1k asics in a bad area where there are fluctuations , yeah that gear might be enough.
Are you getting 1c electricity but you have to go in the middle of nowhere where it feels like every hour an elephant is humping your transformer, and you have a pair of $30k us23, what are you going to use?
Each of those devices does a thing for the price you pay, let's keep the apples and oragnes out of it!

Besides, where is anyone going to buy that thing from, Wildberries?