Need community inputs on MonkeyTilt allegation

[The Cryptovator]

Some of you may have noticed ongoing open scam accusations against the MonkeyTilt gambling site. Till now it seems they have a good reputation on the forum, but about the open scam accusation, it's likely going to remain unsolved. I raised concerns about the reputation since the questioned amount is bigger. I have PMed MonkeyTilt, and they have responded there as well. But I am not satisfied with their response on the allegation.

MonkeyTilt responded there with a bigger username list, claiming that all are alts or the accuser. This would be true as well or might be vogue. We don't have the abilities to verify their claim anyway or haven't provided any third-party audits. Since the accuser created a scam accusation on the forum, I believe this would be solved as well.

I am not a gambling expert but often try to solve accusations and help victims if it's possible to solve them. I want to draw attention from the community regarding this case, especially DT members who have gambling technical knowledge. Since the amount is big, MonkeyTilt should cooperate with the forum trust system; he should explain and show proof to the technical DT members who know better about gambling. MonkeyTilt even could call us to create a board with highly trusted and experienced members to decide about the case.

What do you think? Should MonkeyTilt be tagged or left as it is?

[NateShaw]

Some of you may have noticed ongoing open scam accusations against the MonkeyTilt gambling site. Till now it seems they have a good reputation on the forum, but about the open scam accusation, it's likely going to remain unsolved. I raised concerns about the reputation since the questioned amount is bigger. I have PMed MonkeyTilt, and they have responded there as well. But I am not satisfied with their response on the allegation.

MonkeyTilt responded there with a bigger username list, claiming that all are alts or the accuser. This would be true as well or might be vogue. We don't have the abilities to verify their claim anyway or haven't provided any third-party audits. Since the accuser created a scam accusation on the forum, I believe this would be solved as well.

I am not a gambling expert but often try to solve accusations and help victims if it's possible to solve them. I want to draw attention from the community regarding this case, especially DT members who have gambling technical knowledge. Since the amount is big, MonkeyTilt should cooperate with the forum trust system; he should explain and show proof to the technical DT members who know better about gambling. MonkeyTilt even could call us to create a board with highly trusted and experienced members to decide about the case.

What do you think? Should MonkeyTilt be tagged or left as it is?

https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/monkey-tilt-casino-monkey-tilt-void-100k-registered-with-ag

Can literally see it was already resolved in Monkeytilt's favor by the largest third-party arbitrator. Please stop abusing the forum for your ulterior motives. You and the accuser are either the same person or you both have colluded. Cus your behaviour at the moment does not seem normal at all and is highly shady.

[yahoo62278]

I 100% dislike the he said they said bs that we have to deal with. Why even have a scam accusation section if proof from both sides isn't going to be posted? The way it is now sites can say they multi accounted, abused bonuses, failed KYC, value bet, arbitrage bet, and a number of other reason are given and accounts get closed and money confiscated. We cannot verify anything the casino accuses the accuser of and just have to take their word for it. Yea we advise users to file complaints on casino guru and askgamblers, but even then the evidence isn't shown as you can read in this case.

That doesn't mean the casino is lying, just means we cannot verify the info they say. It also doesn't mean the accuser is telling the truth either. More then half the accusations in that section are from idiots who have/are cheating the casino and hoping the negative post gets them paid.

For now we have 1 mediator who says the casino is correct. Let's see what the other mediators say and go from there.

[NateShaw]

I 100% dislike the he said they said bs that we have to deal with. Why even have a scam accusation section if proof from both sides isn't going to be posted? The way it is now sites can say they multi accounted, abused bonuses, failed KYC, value bet, arbitrage bet, and a number of other reason are given and accounts get closed and money confiscated. We cannot verify anything the casino accuses the accuser of and just have to take their word for it. Yea we advise users to file complaints on casino guru and askgamblers, but even then the evidence isn't shown as you can read in this case.

That doesn't mean the casino is lying, just means we cannot verify the info they say. It also doesn't mean the accuser is telling the truth either. More then half the accusations in that section are from idiots who have/are cheating the casino and hoping the negative post gets them paid.

For now we have 1 mediator who says the casino is correct. Let's see what the other mediators say and go from there.

A public forum can only be that: a public forum. It cannot be an arbitrator of justice.
Most websites are not allowed to post user info and internal investigation documents on a public forum based on their own privacy protection ToS. It would mean they would have to break their own ToS and privacy laws just to appease people on a forum. That doesn't make much sense does it.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/monkey-tilt-casino-monkey-tilt-void-100k-registered-with-ag

Can literally see it was already resolved in Monkeytilt's favor by the largest third-party arbitrator. Please stop abusing the forum for your ulterior motives. You and the accuser are either the same person or you both have colluded. Cus your behaviour at the moment does not seem normal at all and is highly shady.

Rah, hold up a sec - you’re a paid shill for MonkeyTilt now, yeah? 😂 I’ve seen you getting mad onto Shuffle.com before, but now your tune’s completely flipped for MonkeyTilt. What’s that about?

You’re not out here running some undercover marketing scheme, are you? 👀

For now we have 1 mediator who says the casino is correct. Let's see what the other mediators say and go from there.

Bruv… $400 into $100,000, what were you thinking fam? 😭 Be real - we should’ve clocked they weren’t gonna pay that easy. This ain’t no charity ting 😂

What do you think? Should MonkeyTilt be tagged or left as it is?

I’m just gon’ chill for a sec and clock this muppet. Proper red tag vibes here, fam. Can’t be givin’ bare false hope, bruv. If that was a 500% bonus and that guy actually smashed it, they better cough it up and honor it, innit!

[NateShaw]

https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/monkey-tilt-casino-monkey-tilt-void-100k-registered-with-ag

Can literally see it was already resolved in Monkeytilt's favor by the largest third-party arbitrator. Please stop abusing the forum for your ulterior motives. You and the accuser are either the same person or you both have colluded. Cus your behaviour at the moment does not seem normal at all and is highly shady.

Rah, hold up a sec - you’re a paid shill for MonkeyTilt now, yeah? 😂 I’ve seen you getting mad onto Shuffle.com before, but now your tune’s completely flipped for MonkeyTilt. What’s that about?

You’re not out here running some undercover marketing scheme, are you? 👀

For now we have 1 mediator who says the casino is correct. Let's see what the other mediators say and go from there.

Bruv… $400 into $100,000, what were you thinking fam? 😭 Be real - we should’ve clocked they weren’t gonna pay that easy. This ain’t no charity ting 😂

Nice AI generated replies
And no I'm an affiliate marketer but Monkeytilt is not one of the sites I shill, I'm just calling out what I see.
I think they would be better suited hiring some of you shills who work for money and walk around with the legendary tag over a newbie like me lol.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Nice AI generated replies
And no I'm an affiliate marketer but Monkeytilt is not one of the sites I shill, I'm just calling out what I see.
I think they would be better suited hiring some of you shills who work for money and walk around with the legendary tag over a newbie like me lol.

Bruv, in your dreams! You must be blind or somethin’ if you think I’m out here shillin’ for cash. Nah fam, I ain’t that kinda mug.

[NateShaw]

Nice AI generated replies
And no I'm an affiliate marketer but Monkeytilt is not one of the sites I shill, I'm just calling out what I see.
I think they would be better suited hiring some of you shills who work for money and walk around with the legendary tag over a newbie like me lol.

Bruv, in your dreams! You must be blind or somethin’ if you think I’m out here shillin’ for cash. Nah fam, I ain’t that kinda mug.

Hey ChatGpt, rephrase my messages to sound like a 60 IQ roadman.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

Nice AI generated replies
And no I'm an affiliate marketer but Monkeytilt is not one of the sites I shill, I'm just calling out what I see.
I think they would be better suited hiring some of you shills who work for money and walk around with the legendary tag over a newbie like me lol.

Bruv, in your dreams! You must be blind or somethin’ if you think I’m out here shillin’ for cash. Nah fam, I ain’t that kinda mug.

Hey ChatGpt, rephrase my messages to sound like a 60 IQ roadman.

LOL you better stop talking like this. Also, you talked about the askgamblers case, what about the ignored case on casinoguru where they didn't provide further evidence, as requested. Doesn't it look a bit strange when they resolve the case on one site but basically ignore it on another one?

Doesn't matter if OP or the site is right. If they deny him payment they must show proof (to him), plain and simple. Otherwise the player is at a clear disadvantage. Just posting some random username has no merit here. Same rights for both parties!

[The Cryptovator]

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https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/monkey-tilt-casino-monkey-tilt-void-100k-registered-with-ag

Can literally see it was already resolved in Monkeytilt's favor by the largest third-party arbitrator. Please stop abusing the forum for your ulterior motives. You and the accuser are either the same person or you both have colluded. Cus your behaviour at the moment does not seem normal at all and is highly shady.

Stop shilling here. If you want to represent MonkeyTilt, then reply professionally. This isn't a shilling thread; the purpose of the thread is justice for both, not only victims or the casino. If you are paid from the MonkeyTilt, then come with evidence. You guys saying verbally doesn't mean everything is true. I am not saying victims are always true, but one needs to verify everything, whether the claims are true or false.

Don't lie and blame me constantly; it's totally unprofessional behaviour. If you think the accuser is me, then what's your problem? Why do you become mad to support MonkeyTilt blindly? Then I may blame for paying you to shill on behalf of them. They have been absent on the forum for a few days, but you are actively shilling.

[Zoomic]

I 100% dislike the he said they said bs that we have to deal with. Why even have a scam accusation section if proof from both sides isn't going to be posted? The way it is now sites can say they multi accounted, abused bonuses, failed KYC, value bet, arbitrage bet, and a number of other reason are given and accounts get closed and money confiscated. We cannot verify anything the casino accuses the accuser of and just have to take their word for it. Yea we advise users to file complaints on casino guru and askgamblers, but even then the evidence isn't shown as you can read in this case.

Are you suggesting that the forum should assign a few trusted users who will compulsorily have to see the casino's backend in the situation like this. If this is what you meant, I support you. This forum is big enough to have such a mechanism and we have trusted users who can fit into this role perfectly.

For now we have 1 mediator who says the casino is correct. Let's see what the other mediators say and go from there.

How do the mediators make their verification?
Aren't they granted some kind of access to verify, or they take the words of the casinos in private for it.

[SuperBitMan]

I believe I have created a thread where I talked about a casino not always providing evidence of the misconduct or abuse they are accusing someone or gamblers about, and some forum members were defending them by saying they are not posting evidence on how they find out about the abuse so people won’t know strategies they will use to out smart them in the future.
I really don’t understand how a casino will accuse someone of cheating or abusing their site without evidence or proof and everyone will believe them, for crying out loud someone won a huge amount of money and decide not to pay and to cover themselves up they fabricate a lie accusing the player of cheating and abusing their site without evidence proving that they actually cheated or abused their site that was why they blocked their account and confiscate their win. They don’t post evidence or proof because they don’t have any that’s the simple fact.

If they can’t provide evidence of cheating or abuse then they should be given negative feedback on red.

[logfiles]

It's pretty hard to come to a conclusion if the actual evidence linking to the multiple accounts isn't shown, and we all know that is not going to be possible in this forum. Which is why we keep referring users to CG or AG.

I would want to first keep an eye on the outcomes of the investigations from those independent arbitrators before deciding who is right and who is wrong. A Complaint Specialist at casinoguru admitted a few hours back that the matter is much more complicated than anticipated, which is why they are taking their time to look through it. Let's not rush to make a decision.

Dear Hoke1996,

Thank you for your responses. I would like to inform you that I am also in communication with the casino team outside of this thread, as part of a broader review of your case. At this stage, the matter appears to be more complex than initially anticipated. I have also been informed that similar complaints submitted to other dispute resolution services have been assessed, with outcomes reportedly in favor of the casino.

Please note that while your previous statements have been duly recorded, certain aspects do not currently align with the information provided by the casino. For this reason, it is important that we continue to gather and assess all available evidence in order to establish a comprehensive and objective understanding of the situation.

I appreciate your patience while this review is ongoing, and I will provide a more detailed update as soon as further clarity is achieved.

[YOSHIE]

I have seen these accusations, about Monkey Tilt casino, the point is that we are not here to take sides, meaning solutions or suggestions.

Well, in that case maybe I should go look at some other information besides on this forum about Monkey Tilt, where I saw on the site Review Monkey Tilt, FUND WITHDRAWAL cases have occurred with other users, the cases are almost the same.

For this reason, I saw that some of the complaints regarding withdrawal of funds were resolved by Monkey Tilt.
For example:


And some may not be finished, but in some cases of users at online casinos it often happens, some are finished and some are not.

But in some cases I have seen there were user errors and some were errors from the gambling side.
In @Hoke1996's case, they have said so in a nutshell.

To respond to the issue stated above:

Regardless of the claims from the complainant the amount confiscated from the player account was $49,693.67 which constituted the entire balance on site at the time of closure. Due to data protection laws we’re not at liberty to dispense a list of complete usernames associated with the action taken against Hoke1996.

What do you think? Should MonkeyTilt be tagged or left as it is?

In my opinion, in this case the "NEUTRAL" mark might be suitable for MonkeyTilt, for the sustainability of this case, but it would be better for MonkeyTilt to say validly the @Hoke1996 case so that there is no confusion, so that users can clearly understand what is right and wrong, I think that's all my advice.

[LoyceV]

That doesn't mean the casino is lying, just means we cannot verify the info they say.

They claim this:

oce****6
eme****8
sun****9
zan****o
sup****s
cha****n
piz****0
luc****e
spi****6
zig****6
for****n
bal****8
tom****9
gra****r
rei****s
bag****4
dub****t
gur****4
Hoke1996

The above is a partial, non-exhaustive list of usernames directly connected to the individual

Without looking into all details of this case, it looks like the typical casino behavior in which users can create accounts and deposit funds without ever asking questions and without KYC, but the moment someone wants to withdraw they suddenly demand paperwork. Even if the multi-account accusation is true, it could easily have been prevented by demanding KYC before depositing, but that's not in the casino's interest.

[Zoomic]

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I really don’t understand how a casino will accuse someone of cheating or abusing their site without evidence or proof and everyone will believe them, for crying out loud someone won a huge amount of money and decide not to pay and to cover themselves up they fabricate a lie accusing the player of cheating and abusing their site without evidence proving that they actually cheated or abused their site that was why they blocked their account and confiscate their win. They don’t post evidence or proof because they don’t have any that’s the simple fact.
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I understand you. This seems like a dilemma and there should be a way to balance it.
Of a truth, if Casinos expose the tactic they use to catch cheaters, cheaters will definitely improve to beat those tactics. In the other hand, a casino cannot present their resolution and everyone believe blindly without verifying. The balance could be having a few reputable users from the forum side that casinos will allow this private information in a situation like this.

Without looking into all details of this case, it looks like the typical casino behavior in which users can create accounts and deposit funds without ever asking questions and without KYC, but the moment someone wants to withdraw they suddenly demand paperwork. Even if the multi-account accusation is true, it could easily have been prevented by demanding KYC before depositing, but that's not in the casino's interest.

The model of casinos business is that they try to keep more money in the system than money leaves the system. The reason why some casinos make deposit extremely simple and seamless but during withdrawal, the reverse will be the case.