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[Betfeel]

Hi Guys,
We’re currently building a new crypto + fiat casino (Betfeel.com) and have hit a decision point that will basically define the entire platform.

So instead of guessing, we would rather get input from the people that actually matters. We have done our own research but would like to hear your thoughts.

A quick note before anything else:
Don’t think about our development costs or risk. We’ve already committed heavily and will build this properly either way. The only thing we care about is choosing the direction that actually makes sense from a user perspective.

Quick context (so you know this isn’t just talk):

• 3 founders with real casino + crypto experience
• 6 full-time developers building everything in-house
• License, wallet setup, PSPs, providers, affiliate — all sorted
• In-house games: RNG certified + provably fair
• Fully transparent site / not trying to trick users into bogus bonuses or hidden fees.

Between the three of us, we’ve made solid money in crypto and other ventures, so budget isn’t the constraint instead we’re focused on building this properly, not cheaply.

Regardless of direction we have strong community features that will allow users to engage in a new exciting way, that part is locked in.

Approach 1: PvP only.

A pure PvP platform where players are matched against each other in fully in-house developed games (coinflip, jackpot wheel, mines PvP, Russian roulette, and potential skill-based mini games + other games will follow).

• All games are provably fair and RNG certified. There is no traditional “house vs player” — only player vs player.
• House takes a 2–5% rake from the winning pot each round
• Strong focus on social and competitive gameplay
• Clearly differentiated from traditional casinos

Downside:
Smaller overall market and heavily dependent on having enough active players (liquidity) for the games to work properly.

Approach 2: PvP + Casino + Sportsbook

• Same PvP setup as option 1
• but with 0% rake — No house edge at all on PvP.
• Players will get a true 50/50% chance of winning on PvP
• 3 menu verticals: PVP · CASINO · SPORTS

Instead of making money on PvP, we use it as a loss leader to get new users.

The goal is to bring users in through PvP and then monetize through the casino and sportsbook menu. We have connections with the best games aggregator and sportsbook provider. So the sports and casino games will be just as good as any of the large crypto casinos you know.

• PvP is completely free (0% house edge)
• Acts as a loss leader to attract users
• Casino + sportsbook become the main revenue drivers
• Proven business model on the casino/sports side

Downside:
Focus shifts away from PvP, and there’s a real risk that the platform ends up feeling like just another standard casino — weakening the PvP identity.

We’re launching no matter what. The only question is: Which direction is there best chance of success?

The two options we’re deciding between:

• PvP only
• PvP + casino & sportsbook

I have attached footage of the in-house developed PvP games so you guys can check it out below!

Jackpot-wheel footage:
https://imgur.com/a/QNXiyNu

Mines footage:
https://imgur.com/a/5sTC4OA

Coinflip footage:
https://imgur.com/a/GnLd6cz

Dice Duel footage:
https://imgur.com/a/t4li1gk

Russian Roulette footage:
https://imgur.com/a/9w4DmKY

[CoffeeSipper64]

It's really a question of what your target group is to be fair.

If you want to target only people playing games against each other with anonymity in a crypto platform then you need to stick to PvP. Of course you are limiting significantly your target group because most gamblers want much more than this.They want to have it all, casino games ,slots,original games , pvp and sportsbook.

If budget is NOT an issue as you stated , I would go with the second option and try to attract the more people the better BUT please do NOT integrate BETBY as your sportsbook for the love of god.
You will just end up as one of the DOZEN sites that get their feed from this scammy provider and offer no originality to the community or the crypto-gambling landscape.Their odds are shit , their limits are shit ,their terms are easily ABUSED by the casinos who handle them and have resulted in people getting scammed not only of their winnings but their own deposits too (kindly go check the scam accusations subthread and you will notice yourself that the cases against BetBy casinos keep piling up ,including bc.game , betpanda and rest bad actors).So kindly look for another provider , there are A TON of them both european and in the asia market.

Besides that, please do NOT offer huge bonus to try to attract people because EVEN if you have very good intentions , you will attract bad actors from the player's side in this case and either your budget will get killed or you will end up NOT being able to clear balances and accused of scamming the deposits (like the 3-4 previous casinos that launched here did which ended up exit-scamming.

I hope your project thrives and it's a very good start that you are seeking for "directions" on such a big gambling forum as this one with experienced gamblers.

Keep in mind , you will need to be active here addressing issues and questions that the people will ask you of like this new site DustBit is doing (positively and effectively so far).

[Betfeel]

It's really a question of what your target group is to be fair.

If you want to target only people playing games against each other with anonymity in a crypto platform then you need to stick to PvP. Of course you are limiting significantly your target group because most gamblers want much more than this.They want to have it all, casino games ,slots,original games , pvp and sportsbook.

If budget is NOT an issue as you stated , I would go with the second option and try to attract the more people the better BUT please do NOT integrate BETBY as your sportsbook for the love of god.
You will just end up as one of the DOZEN sites that get their feed from this scammy provider and offer no originality to the community or the crypto-gambling landscape.Their odds are shit , their limits are shit ,their terms are easily ABUSED by the casinos who handle them and have resulted in people getting scammed not only of their winnings but their own deposits too (kindly go check the scam accusations subthread and you will notice yourself that the cases against BetBy casinos keep piling up ,including bc.game , betpanda and rest bad actors).So kindly look for another provider , there are A TON of them both european and in the asia market.

Besides that, please do NOT offer huge bonus to try to attract people because EVEN if you have very good intentions , you will attract bad actors from the player's side in this case and either your budget will get killed or you will end up NOT being able to clear balances and accused of scamming the deposits (like the 3-4 previous casinos that launched here did which ended up exit-scamming.

I hope your project thrives and it's a very good start that you are seeking for "directions" on such a big gambling forum as this one with experienced gamblers.

Keep in mind , you will need to be active here addressing issues and questions that the people will ask you of like this new site DustBit is doing (positively and effectively so far).

Thank you so much for the reply and we appreciate you taking the time to give this constructive feedback.

Currently the sportsbook provider will be provided by softswiss that have a sleek and nice sportsbook. In our experience the vast majority of sportsbooks offered looks like excel-sheets which ruins the UX. If you have any recommendations to sportsbook that you enjoy using, feel free to let us know so that we can take them into consideration!

We appreciate it a lot CoffeeSipper64! <3

[CoffeeSipper64]

Yes please I really do NOT believe that another BetBy provider would had anything more to add to the current crypto-gambling landscape.There a punch of them already and things are not the best with this provider.

Surely in 1month from now 5 new casinos will have launched with BetBy as their provider. I don't believe its appealing anymore to gamblers after dozen cases of scam reports.

There is Altenar(DustBit uses this I think) ,Softswiss ,the providers that are used by the main US sportsbooks (youwager , betonline ,etc) ,there are asian providers like Sbobet or saba sports , there is BetConstruct ,BTI ,stake provider (which 2up.io uses I think) and many many others.

I think it 's a vital step towards success when a casino site tries to be more originate regarding the services they are offering to the clients so do yourselves a favor and try to be original.

[Betfeel]

Yes please I really do NOT believe that another BetBy provider would had anything more to add to the current crypto-gambling landscape.There a punch of them already and things are not the best with this provider.

Surely in 1month from now 5 new casinos will have launched with BetBy as their provider. I don't believe its appealing anymore to gamblers after dozen cases of scam reports.

There is Altenar(DustBit uses this I think) ,Softswiss ,the providers that are used by the main US sportsbooks (youwager , betonline ,etc) ,there are asian providers like Sbobet or saba sports , there is BetConstruct ,BTI ,stake provider (which 2up.io uses I think) and many many others.

I think it 's a vital step towards success when a casino site tries to be more originate regarding the services they are offering to the clients so do yourselves a favor and try to be original.

This is perfect feedback! I will go ahead and discuss these different sportsbook providers with the rest of the team and schedule meetings to be sure that the final decision will be based on the vital provider that the community wants in generel.

Thanks again CoffeeSipper! Much appreciated!

[Fussy Fopp]

Pure PvP sounds cool in theory, but it is a question of liquidity as you mention. If there’s no players, there’s no games, and then people just leave. Offering 0% rake to let people compete against each other would most likely incentivize for user sign-ups and and solve the liquidity issue. Games look entertaining - is it the final version?

Both options could work. One is more broad allowing users also looking for casino/sports where as the other is niche focused and solely targeting pvp players.

Using PvP with 0% rake would surely make people sign up. Dont know your server costs, but if you have developed in house and have low costs, then that could be a good strategy.

Also from a user perspective:
Sometimes I want PvP, sometimes I just want to spin slots or place a bet. Having both would keep users entertained instead of losing them to competitors.

In the end i think both would work if the platform is built right, just need to find your users.

[Betfeel - Founder]

Pure PvP sounds cool in theory, but it is a question of liquidity as you mention. If there’s no players, there’s no games, and then people just leave. Offering 0% rake to let people compete against each other would most likely incentivize for user sign-ups and and solve the liquidity issue. Games look entertaining - is it the final version?

Both options could work. One is more broad allowing users also looking for casino/sports where as the other is niche focused and solely targeting pvp players.

Using PvP with 0% rake would surely make people sign up. Dont know your server costs, but if you have developed in house and have low costs, then that could be a good strategy.

Also from a user perspective:
Sometimes I want PvP, sometimes I just want to spin slots or place a bet. Having both would keep users entertained instead of losing them to competitors.

In the end i think both would work if the platform is built right, just need to find your users.

Stepping in here Thank you for the feedback!

Exactly our thought regarding 0% rake. It would give people people a reason to sign up that is different than a bonus. This way platform users actually have a true 50% chance of winning without any platform involvement.

The games we have linked are not the final version. Just quick sketches we made in order to demonstrate how some of our PvP games would work.

Again, we are not limited by a budget, so if there is anything specific that you or other users would like to see on the site, let us know and we will discuss it internally.

[Haunebu]

PvP plus casino plus sportsbook is the right option here in my honest opinion since most crypto gamblers these days prefer casino along with sportsbook for more options in one place. I like the 0% house edge concept, but will this apply to both casino and sportsbook?

If it does, that would be really appealing to many, many gamblers out there. Liquidity is another big issue with PvP games, but it can be managed effectively provided y'all market the site properly.

[AmoreJaz]

PvP plus casino plus sportsbook is the right option here in my honest opinion since most crypto gamblers these days prefer casino along with sportsbook for more options in one place. I like the 0% house edge concept, but will this apply to both casino and sportsbook?

If it does, that would be really appealing to many, many gamblers out there. Liquidity is another big issue with PvP games, but it can be managed effectively provided y'all market the site properly.

That is very true because casino games alone and if it is pvp, would be hard to survive among its competitors. Most pvp sites are short-lived because they couldn't get players in the long run. Hence, the sustenance of this business is affected. So yes, they need to add more services in order for the player to find alternatives when they are already bored with the regular casino games. The business owners should also find a way how to offer other services as the players can easily hop from one casino to another. So if they are not seeing much players, they can just leave and find another one.

[Cointxz]

I like the approach for PVP with an option against the casino since this is the common problem of most PVP website due to the lack of players during the introductory stage.

I’m interested to know what will be the benefits of being a beta tester of the casino?

You have a very nice UI/UX based on the attached screen record. You can improve your ANN thread visibility by availing copper membership and display image on this thread.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=credit;promote

[Upgrade00]

I'm with PVP + casino and sportsbook too. There's nothing exactly wrong with being just another standard casino if you plan to offer excellent service. There are tons of casinos around but not very money who are reliable, transparent, good in customer communication and innovative. Having P2P games already sets you apart from most too. I wonder if you'll have a budget to market it if it's on 0% house edge.

This also allows you guage the interest the P2P games will get and you can plan in the future how to platform the different services based on that feedback.

I like the 0% house edge concept, but will this apply to both casino and sportsbook?

From what the op said, it will not apply to those, they will be the profit markets to cover the lack of that in the P2P games.

[Betfeel - Founder]

PvP plus casino plus sportsbook is the right option here in my honest opinion since most crypto gamblers these days prefer casino along with sportsbook for more options in one place. I like the 0% house edge concept, but will this apply to both casino and sportsbook?

If it does, that would be really appealing to many, many gamblers out there. Liquidity is another big issue with PvP games, but it can be managed effectively provided y'all market the site properly.

Appreciate the input — that’s exactly how we’re looking at it as well.

Just to clarify on the 0% house edge part:
That only applies to the PvP games. Casino and sportsbook will operate on a standard margin like any other platform.

For option 2, the idea is really to keep PvP as a true 50/50 environment with no house advantage, so it feels completely fair and competitive for the players. Then for users who want more traditional gameplay, casino and sportsbook are there as additional options.

And you’re spot on regarding liquidity, that’s one of the main reasons we’re leaning towards this model. 0% rake on PvP makes it much easier to build up an active user base early on.

[Agbe]

It would have been better you brought this to the forum after the launch of the website and when it is running, we can visit the casino and check the content. But from what I understood, you want the forum to see the tools you are using and suggest from there well that is good but the running of the casino is preferable. A casino that has the tool of Player Verses Player as (PvP) is a good move and that will be a player center. Which of the game will be implemented as PvP? Is it poker or some kind of slot?

[Betfeel - Founder]

It would have been better you brought this to the forum after the launch of the website and when it is running, we can visit the casino and check the content. But from what I understood, you want the forum to see the tools you are using and suggest from there well that is good but the running of the casino is preferable. A casino that has the tool of Player Verses Player as (PvP) is a good move and that will be a player center. Which of the game will be implemented as PvP? Is it poker or some kind of slot?

That’s a fair point, and we completely understand where you’re coming from.

The reason we decided to post now, before launch is exactly because we’re taking this seriously and want to build something that actually aligns with what users want, not just what we think works. We’re investing heavily into this, and feedback from the community here genuinely matters to us. That’s why we’d rather get input early instead of showing up with a finished product that might miss the mark.

We’re targeting launch around October, once all RNG certification and lab testing is fully completed. We want everything to be properly verified and transparent from day one. Not half build and half working.

On the PvP side, it won’t be traditional poker or slots. We’re building a set of custom in-house PvP games, such as:
- Coinflip
- Jackpot wheel
- Mines (PvP-style)
- Russian roulette
- dice duals
And many more being developed as we gather more feedback from users.
additional skill-based mini games may be added if this is something users are interested in.

[Haunebu]

Appreciate the input — that’s exactly how we’re looking at it as well.

Just to clarify on the 0% house edge part:
That only applies to the PvP games. Casino and sportsbook will operate on a standard margin like any other platform.

For option 2, the idea is really to keep PvP as a true 50/50 environment with no house advantage, so it feels completely fair and competitive for the players. Then for users who want more traditional gameplay, casino and sportsbook are there as additional options.

And you’re spot on regarding liquidity, that’s one of the main reasons we’re leaning towards this model. 0% rake on PvP makes it much easier to build up an active user base early on.

0% house edge on pvp games is definitely a good start considering they become popular and attract optimal liquidities though your site would attract a lot more players if either casino or sportsbook games also provided 0% house edge like Duel etc.

PvP games with 0% house edge is still a tough sell based on what I observed which is why I suggested expanding that promotion.

[Betfeel - Founder]

PvP plus casino plus sportsbook is the right option here in my honest opinion since most crypto gamblers these days prefer casino along with sportsbook for more options in one place. I like the 0% house edge concept, but will this apply to both casino and sportsbook?

If it does, that would be really appealing to many, many gamblers out there. Liquidity is another big issue with PvP games, but it can be managed effectively provided y'all market the site properly.

That is very true because casino games alone and if it is pvp, would be hard to survive among its competitors. Most pvp sites are short-lived because they couldn't get players in the long run. Hence, the sustenance of this business is affected. So yes, they need to add more services in order for the player to find alternatives when they are already bored with the regular casino games. The business owners should also find a way how to offer other services as the players can easily hop from one casino to another. So if they are not seeing much players, they can just leave and find another one.

Yeah, we generally agree with you here.

Pure PvP can be hard to sustain long-term — especially if liquidity drops. We’ve seen a lot of PvP-focused platforms struggle exactly because of that.

That said, there are also examples like CS:GO skin casinos that managed to make PvP work by targeting very specific niche communities and building strong engagement around it. So it’s definitely possible, just much harder to scale broadly.

That’s actually why we’re leaning towards the hybrid model:
PvP with 0% rake as a strong entry point
Casino & sportsbook as the main long-term monetization

The idea is to use PvP as something that feels fair and engaging, and then give users more options so they don’t leave when they want a different experience.

At the end of the day though, we’re not locked in — we’re genuinely trying to understand what the community prefers, since you’re the ones actually using these platforms.

[Betfeel - Founder]

I like the approach for PVP with an option against the casino since this is the common problem of most PVP website due to the lack of players during the introductory stage.

I’m interested to know what will be the benefits of being a beta tester of the casino?

You have a very nice UI/UX based on the attached screen record. You can improve your ANN thread visibility by availing copper membership and display image on this thread.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=credit;promote

Regarding beta testers, we definitely want to make it worthwhile:
You’ll have direct access to us through a dedicated VIP host
We’ll actively listen to feedback and implement changes based on your input
Ability to receive VIP bonuses early, before hitting standard rank requirements
Access to a private Telegram group where we’ll run engagement giveaways, share updates, and interact more closely

So it’s not just early access, it’s more like being part of shaping the platform before full launch.

And thanks for the feedback on the UI/UX as well, really appreciate it - although it is just a demo. Good shout on the copper membership too, actually already bought it, but didn’t want to make a crazy post for feedback only haha.

[Yamifoud]

Well, if you think that PVP is very important in building your casino, then forget about the 2nd option. In fact, you don't need to ask for the others when it matters to you the most.

Besides, gamblers will choose the casinos that give them realistic results. Offer the best games, bonuses, and most of all, fair rules.

Money is not a problem with you, but building reputation is not easy. So forget about earning more money, but rather focus on how to earn trust.

[Betfeel - Founder]

I'm with PVP + casino and sportsbook too. There's nothing exactly wrong with being just another standard casino if you plan to offer excellent service. There are tons of casinos around but not very money who are reliable, transparent, good in customer communication and innovative. Having P2P games already sets you apart from most too. I wonder if you'll have a budget to market it if it's on 0% house edge.

This also allows you guage the interest the P2P games will get and you can plan in the future how to platform the different services based on that feedback.

I like the 0% house edge concept, but will this apply to both casino and sportsbook?

From what the op said, it will not apply to those, they will be the profit markets to cover the lack of that in the P2P games.

Completely agree with you. We’re honestly not too worried about marketing spend. And, we’d much rather use the 0% rake PvP as the main driver, feels like a more genuine way to attract the right users instead of relying on heavy bonuses that often just get abused.

Reputation is everything in this space, so we’ve spent a lot of time speaking with all the right providers to make sure every part of the platform is built properly. At the end of the day, it’s about delivering a solid product and taking good care of the users from day one. Thank you for the feedback

[Betfeel - Founder]

Appreciate the input — that’s exactly how we’re looking at it as well.

Just to clarify on the 0% house edge part:
That only applies to the PvP games. Casino and sportsbook will operate on a standard margin like any other platform.

For option 2, the idea is really to keep PvP as a true 50/50 environment with no house advantage, so it feels completely fair and competitive for the players. Then for users who want more traditional gameplay, casino and sportsbook are there as additional options.

And you’re spot on regarding liquidity, that’s one of the main reasons we’re leaning towards this model. 0% rake on PvP makes it much easier to build up an active user base early on.

0% house edge on pvp games is definitely a good start considering they become popular and attract optimal liquidities though your site would attract a lot more players if either casino or sportsbook games also provided 0% house edge like Duel etc.

PvP games with 0% house edge is still a tough sell based on what I observed which is why I suggested expanding that promotion.

Ahh, ok i got it. Dualbit is only doing 100% rtp on in-house games if i am not mistaken. In-house games could easily be 0% edge for Betfeel as well, but for sportsbook and GSP/aggregator games it’s just not realistic long-term. There are fixed rev shares and provider costs, so running those at 0% would basically put the platform in the negative by a lot.

For PvP though, that’s the whole idea — if we go with option 2, the 0% rake wouldn’t be a promo, it would be a core part of the platform and most likely stay that way long-term.