Negative trust from holydarkness – time to address the real problem

[holydarkness]

what are we betting? Do it in one sentence. All 5 of your contacts were wrong last time. The book is not the middleman. The flag travels, nothing else. One book may have a $5 limit on a player, the second Betby book $100 and NL at the third Betby book. It's an individual risk tolerance set by the sportsbook.

That provider [like betby] has power over the flag they raised to sportsbook and they can force that flag as final decision, as being a middleman is an option for sportsbooks, where they pay the provider.

[Rating Place]

what are we betting? Do it in one sentence. All 5 of your contacts were wrong last time. The book is not the middleman. The flag travels, nothing else. One book may have a $5 limit on a player, the second Betby book $100 and NL at the third Betby book. It's an individual risk tolerance set by the sportsbook.

That provider [like betby] has power over the flag they raised to sportsbook and they can force that flag as final decision, as being a middleman is an option for sportsbooks, where they pay the provider.

So Betby has the power to overrule all 70 Betby crypto books, I don't know how many fiat, in your mind? You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Betby has a license in Malta. They aren't going to touch that.

Betby is the same as Kambi or any other odds provider.

Why do you negotiate with books to get deposits back if Betby makes the decision? Betby and the provider don't communicate. It's an AI generated flag through their AI labs division.

Another Betby book

Odds providers don't make our trading decisions, we do.

Our odds providers don't pay players, we do.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1616139.3620

[holydarkness]

what are we betting? Do it in one sentence. All 5 of your contacts were wrong last time. The book is not the middleman. The flag travels, nothing else. One book may have a $5 limit on a player, the second Betby book $100 and NL at the third Betby book. It's an individual risk tolerance set by the sportsbook.

That provider [like betby] has power over the flag they raised to sportsbook and they can force that flag as final decision, as being a middleman is an option for sportsbooks, where they pay the provider.

So Betby has the power to overrule all 70 Betby books, I don't know how many fiat, in your mind? You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Betby has a license in Malta. They aren't going to touch that.

Betby is the same as Kambi or any other odds provider.


Another Betby book

Odds providers don't make our trading decisions, we do.

Our odds providers don't pay players, we do.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1616139.3620

Now now, boy, don't try to twist words again, it's a simple statement, you asked for one sentence, and I give you exactly one. Knows that --I believe most agreed-- you've entered a written agreement with me, following above reply.

The situation is simple: you accuse me of being clueless about how sportsbook and provider works. You brag about forcing sportsbook to pay both on-screen on your thread, or off-screen from PM and other methods. I raise a flag against you as you poses a risk of financial lost to members of our forum [the sportsbook] due to your confidence of your knowledge.

So I'll make it even more simple, since you're repetitively focusing on Xyes and BetPanda on this thread. This is the written agreement we've both entered as per your above reply:

"You, Rating Place, will escrow 1,560,000 USD, that will rightfully released and become holydarkness's upon holydarkness's capability to show proof that providers like betby do has direct influence and dictate outcomes on matches via flags because sportsbook like BetPanda or XYes follows their risk assessment."

No need to drag it. Simple "yes" or "no" will put us into binding agreement where you'll escrow the fund and I'll proceed by flooding this thread with abundant supporting evidence.

[Rating Place]

what are we betting? Do it in one sentence. All 5 of your contacts were wrong last time. The book is not the middleman. The flag travels, nothing else. One book may have a $5 limit on a player, the second Betby book $100 and NL at the third Betby book. It's an individual risk tolerance set by the sportsbook.

That provider [like betby] has power over the flag they raised to sportsbook and they can force that flag as final decision, as being a middleman is an option for sportsbooks, where they pay the provider.

So Betby has the power to overrule all 70 Betby books, I don't know how many fiat, in your mind? You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Betby has a license in Malta. They aren't going to touch that.

Betby is the same as Kambi or any other odds provider.


Another Betby book

Odds providers don't make our trading decisions, we do.

Our odds providers don't pay players, we do.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1616139.3620

Now now, boy, don't try to twist words again, it's a simple statement, you asked for one sentence, and I give you exactly one. Knows that --I believe most agreed-- you've entered a written agreement with me, following above reply.

The situation is simple: you accuse me of being clueless about how sportsbook and provider works. You brag about forcing sportsbook to pay both on-screen on your thread, or off-screen from PM and other methods. I raise a flag against you as you poses a risk of financial lost to members of our forum [the sportsbook] due to your confidence of your knowledge.

So I'll make it even more simple, since you're repetitively focusing on Xyes and BetPanda on this thread. This is the written agreement we've both entered as per your above reply:

"You, Rating Place, will escrow 1,560,000 USD, that will rightfully released and become holydarkness's upon holydarkness's capability to show proof that providers like betby do has direct influence and dictate outcomes on matches via flags because sportsbook like BetPanda or XYes follows their risk assessment."

No need to drag it. Simple "yes" or "no" will put us into binding agreement where you'll escrow the fund and I'll proceed by flooding this thread with abundant supporting evidence.

You said flagged for arbitrage. A flag is a warning. It's an assumption made by AI. Most of the time the book has a setting with Betby to auto limit. The book sets the amount.

Why did you rule for the book to confiscate winnings and deposits? There was no proof, only a flag. You need two betslips from two different providers. You didn't see that because it didn't exist. Good books pay then limit. The bad books that you work with are confiscating money with no proof.

[nutildah]

That provider [like betby] has power over the flag they raised to sportsbook and they can force that flag as final decision, as being a middleman is an option for sportsbooks, where they pay the provider.

So Betby has the power to overrule all 70 Betby crypto books, I don't know how many fiat, in your mind?

That's not what he said, and obviously this isn't the case. It appears the issue is not as black and white as you're making it. There are different packages of Betby services; one is "fully automated", meaning Betby handles every step of the process. They even reference this on their website:

https://betby.com/sportsbook/

We take care of all sportsbook-related operations including risk management, trading, client segmentation and reporting, so you can focus on user acquisition, traffic retention and your business success.

So I'll make it even more simple, since you're repetitively focusing on Xyes and BetPanda on this thread. This is the written agreement we've both entered as per your above reply:

"You, Rating Place, will escrow 1,560,000 USD, that will rightfully released and become holydarkness's upon holydarkness's capability to show proof that providers like betby do has direct influence and dictate outcomes on matches via flags because sportsbook like BetPanda or XYes follows their risk assessment."

Guess I should have read a few more posts back b/c I have no idea what this is about. But RP this is a terrible deal for you lol.

[holydarkness]

Now now, boy, don't try to twist words again, it's a simple statement, you asked for one sentence, and I give you exactly one. Knows that --I believe most agreed-- you've entered a written agreement with me, following above reply.

The situation is simple: you accuse me of being clueless about how sportsbook and provider works. You brag about forcing sportsbook to pay both on-screen on your thread, or off-screen from PM and other methods. I raise a flag against you as you poses a risk of financial lost to members of our forum [the sportsbook] due to your confidence of your knowledge.

So I'll make it even more simple, since you're repetitively focusing on Xyes and BetPanda on this thread. This is the written agreement we've both entered as per your above reply:

"You, Rating Place, will escrow 1,560,000 USD, that will rightfully released and become holydarkness's upon holydarkness's capability to show proof that providers like betby do has direct influence and dictate outcomes on matches via flags because sportsbook like BetPanda or XYes follows their risk assessment."

No need to drag it. Simple "yes" or "no" will put us into binding agreement where you'll escrow the fund and I'll proceed by flooding this thread with abundant supporting evidence.

You said flagged for arbitrage. A flag is a warning. It's an assumption made by AI. Most of the time the book has a setting with Betby to auto limit. The book sets the amount.

Why did you rule for the book to confiscate winnings and deposits? There was no proof, only a flag. You need two betslips from two different providers. You didn't see that because it didn't exist. Good books pay then limit. The bad books that you work with are confiscating money with no proof.

The statement is simple, boy. You asked for one simple statement that'll set the bet, now you [as always] tried to sneak out of the agreement by over-complicating the sentence we put on bet, 1,560,000 USD that'll be mine.

I'll bite though. On some casinos [like BetPanda, as you're exclusively discussing BetPanda and XYes] when Betby flag a player for arbitrage, the casino has no other option but to obey the flag, unless they want to pay the winning from "their own pocket" because they defy the provider's ruling.

A thing that grant your tag from me, because your outdated understanding of how provider and sportsbook dynamic made you enforced many sportsbook to pay from their pocket [remember, it's your own admission and bragging that you solved way more cases than me] because you force them to. Thus, the flag to warn forum members to be careful with your statement as your ignorance has made many casinos [of which a forum members who share similar forum privileges as others] suffer financially.

[Rating Place]

That provider [like betby] has power over the flag they raised to sportsbook and they can force that flag as final decision, as being a middleman is an option for sportsbooks, where they pay the provider.

So Betby has the power to overrule all 70 Betby crypto books, I don't know how many fiat, in your mind?

That's not what he said, and obviously this isn't the case. It appears the issue is not as black and white as you're making it. There are different packages of Betby services; one is "fully automated", meaning Betby handles every step of the process. They even reference this on their website:

https://betby.com/sportsbook/

We take care of all sportsbook-related operations including risk management, trading, client segmentation and reporting, so you can focus on user acquisition, traffic retention and your business success.

So I'll make it even more simple, since you're repetitively focusing on Xyes and BetPanda on this thread. This is the written agreement we've both entered as per your above reply:

"You, Rating Place, will escrow 1,560,000 USD, that will rightfully released and become holydarkness's upon holydarkness's capability to show proof that providers like betby do has direct influence and dictate outcomes on matches via flags because sportsbook like BetPanda or XYes follows their risk assessment."

Guess I should have read a few more posts back b/c I have no idea what this is about. But RP this is a terrible deal for you lol.

Betby has different packages. Some books outsource more than others. Nothing has to be followed. You're going to start insults too. Same stuff, different day. Betby is the same as Kambi or any other provider.

holy, I find it interesting that I don't go in to scam accusations but you found me here. Obsession.

Don't negotiate. A bet is a win or a loss. Just post the complaint in scam accusations. Posters talk about it. If valid contact the rep. If he doesn't answer in a week, with the exception of Stake, flag them. You're not needed.

[holydarkness]

Betby has different packages. Some books outsource more than others. Nothing has to be followed. You're going to start insults too. Same stuff different day. Neither of you know what you're talking about.

holy, I find it interesting that I don't go in to scam accusations but found me here. Obsession.

Yes, or no. Simple words that get us into binding written agreement. Then escrow the fund, and I'll provide the supporting evidence in abundance to show the overseers that you've abuse other members of this forum, the casinos, by forcing them to pay, because you're too ignorant to understand that providers and sportsbook model evolve.

Yes, or no. Simple words that get us into binding agreement. And we'll come out with either one of two outcome: one give me 1,560,000 USD and a clear understanding by the forum that I don't play around and half-heartedly attending cases, one give you a flag, in addition to your tag.

Don't overcomplicate things. You're the one that doesn't want to address my points because it will be a long drawn out arguments. Yet here all the overseers can see that you're the one dragging the arguments while all I need is a simple binding yes or no.

[Rating Place]

Betby has different packages. Some books outsource more than others. Nothing has to be followed. You're going to start insults too. Same stuff different day. Neither of you know what you're talking about.

holy, I find it interesting that I don't go in to scam accusations but found me here. Obsession.

Yes, or no. Simple words that get us into binding written agreement. Then escrow the fund, and I'll provide the supporting evidence in abundance to show the overseers that you've abuse other members of this forum, the casinos, by forcing them to pay, because you're too ignorant to understand that providers and sportsbook model evolve.

Yes, or no. Simple words that get us into binding agreement. And we'll come out with either one of two outcome: one give me 1,560,000 USD and a clear understanding by the forum that I didn't play around and half-heartedly attending cases, one give you a flag, in addition to your tag.

What is the bet in one sentence? You don't get winnings paid for players. Just give the book rep one week to answer in the forum. Eyes only doesn't work.

[holydarkness]

What is the bet in one sentence? You don't get winnings paid for players. Just give the book rep one week to answer in the forum. Eyes only doesn't work.

[...]On some casinos [like BetPanda, as you're exclusively discussing BetPanda and XYes] when Betby flag a player for arbitrage, the casino has no other option but to obey the flag, unless they want to pay the winning from "their own pocket" because they defy the provider's ruling.[...]

[Rating Place]

Betby and XYes, LOL. Xyes told you they had an outdated license and you believed it. They showed you a fake license. The problem is these scam books are working you. They steal the winnings, you fight for deposit and say gesture of good will and look like a hero.

All the big odds providers can do everything. They have licenses is strong jurisdictions. They don't have a B2C license. Betby is fairly big and they aren't going to force something illegal no matter what you post.

[holydarkness]

Betby and XYes, LOL. Xyes told you they had an outdated license and you believed it. They showed you a fake license. The problem is these scam books are working you. They steal the winnings, you fight for deposit and say gesture of good will and look like a hero.

Irrelevant. BetPanda and XYes were mentioned here purely because you keep mentioning them. The point of our written agreement still persist:

You, Rating Place, will escrow 1,560,000 USD, that will righfully released and belong to me, holydarkness, upon my presentation and supporting evidences that prove that in several casinos, providers hold the decision-making and their flag is not mere instruction, it's an order that need to be followed, of where if the sportsbook refuse and decide to pay the player despite the flag, they will be paying [in layman terms] from their own pocket, or in more specific way, from the fund that should be paid to the provider, and the sportsbook absorbs the payment as their expense.

That's the written agreement. Please don't try to sneak out with word-twisting and other irrelevant things. It's been made abundanatly clear, with no room for misinterpretation unless one's IQ is on the same level of room temperature in Celcius. Overseers are watching and they're smart enough to see your pathetic attempt to weasel out.

[Rating Place]

I took the bait again. There was no proof. Flags aren't proof. It's an educated AI guess. You never saw the bet slips. They most likely compare the bet with the Pinnacle line meaning there was an arb if wanted. Pinnacle (Bitcoin-Betting here) are the two arb friendly high limit books that are used the most. You didn't see bet slips from either. Pinnacle is independent.

[holydarkness]

I took the bait again.

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to react to something said or offered

Interpretations Galore: The Many Meanings

One of the fascinating aspects of idioms is their versatility. ‘Take A Bite’ can be interpreted in various contexts. It can signify embracing challenges, seizing opportunities, or even exploring new experiences.

If you take the bait, you react to something that someone has said or done exactly as they intended you to do. The expression rise to the bait is also used, mainly in British English.

Welcome to the binding written agreement. [Un]fortunately, as you've bind ourselves to the clause written in previous post, backing down from this will be perceived as a violation to written contract that allows me to raise type-3 flag [or type-2, at the very least] on your account.

Please contact GazetaBitcoin's escrow service and see if he would cater 1,560,000 USD escrow as his service as AFAIK he only take BTC, but he is willing to make exception.

There was no proof. Flags aren't proof. It's an educated AI guess. You never saw the bet slips. Pinnacle (Bitcoin-Betting here) are the two arb friendly high limit books that are used the most. You didn't see bet slips from either. Pinnacle is independent.

Fret not. Once the fund is escrowed, I will give you written articles and other proof in abundance. I think nutildah is willing to verify the authenticity of the proof I am providing. Or do you have other DT in mind to verify that I can prove beyond reasonable doubt?

Please inform me once you've escrowed the fund.

[Rating Place]

Holy you have a flag and you think that’s proof. Just stop the nonsense and bluffs.

[nutildah]

Betby has different packages. Some books outsource more than others. Nothing has to be followed.

That's exactly what giving Betby risk management duty entails: following their recommendations. They are hired to make these decision de facto. It may even be a contractual obligation to do what Betby says in cases like this. I would consider putting a little more research into the claims you are making before making a wager based on them.

[Rating Place]

Betby has different packages. Some books outsource more than others. Nothing has to be followed.

That's exactly what giving Betby risk management duty entails: following their recommendations. They are hired to make these decision de facto. It may even be a contractual obligation to do what Betby says in cases like this. I would consider putting a little more research into the claims you are making before making a wager based on them.

I’m going to start ignoring you. This whole thread you’ve posted misinformation and you won’t stop. All these big providers have licenses in multiple jurisdictions. They can do everything but not forced and they aren’t losing their license. Just look at the Jackpotter case a couple of days ago.

Plus you don’t even understand the bet.

[holydarkness]

Holy you have a flag and you think that’s proof. Just stop the nonsense and bluffs.

If you're referring to the flag that's people put on my account, they're all inactive and were raised by those who hold grudge against me as I exposed their scam attempt, as you can witnessed that many DTs jumped to oppose it and none support it.

If you're referring to the flag we both just entered, a type-3 written contract flag, unfortunately, you've given your consent when you write that you took the bait, an idiom [that I've supplemented with many idioms and definition] as taking the challenge.

So, yeah, this is not a bluff or nonsense. Kindly escrow 1,560,000 USD to prominent members who offer escrow services. I'm recommending GazetaBitcoin as IIRC he currently didn't charge anything, though his terms is only BTC [I think I can talk him into taking USDT]. If you prefer other escrow though, feel free, but know that I take a nett 1,560,000. Any charge in the escrow service will be on you.

Please arrange them soonest possible. I hope we can finish the business under 3 working days.

Inform me once you've escrowed the fund, and don't forget to tell the escrower to pop in here and confirm that the fund is already in their hand.

Then we can move with me giving you an update of the most recent database of providers-sportsbook dynamic that will hopefully you can download to your brain and apply to your next sportsbook case, lest your outdated knowledge led another member of the forum suffer financial loss.

Then, after all that settled, I'll propose you to tackle point number #3 in my rebuttal, that's the easiest to tackle after point #1.

Betby has different packages. Some books outsource more than others. Nothing has to be followed.

That's exactly what giving Betby risk management duty entails: following their recommendations. They are hired to make these decision de facto. It may even be a contractual obligation to do what Betby says in cases like this. I would consider putting a little more research into the claims you are making before making a wager based on them.

I think it's too late for that.

If he's not too proud of himself and too thick-skulled, a simple google search will give him an insight of what happens in the recent sportsbook-provider dynamic. But he's already entered a written agreement with me when he publicly said he "take the bait [again]". Now he's under binding contract with me. Either he escrow 1,560,000 USD [and lose it to me] as I give him an update of the dynamic he can easily teach himself if he's not too stubborn, or he ended up with worse situation than before.

He created this thread to discredit me with my [IMO, justified and carefully thought-over] feedback. in few days, either I'm 1,560,000 USD richer or he'll get a type-3 flag.

[Rating Place]

I’m ignoring both of you. You guys just like to argue and I get caught up wasting a lot of time.

[holydarkness]

I’m ignoring both of you. You guys just like to argue and I get caught up wasting a lot of time.

Is that you walking away from our binding agreement? I'll raise my type-3 flag upon confirmation that you backed down and violated our agreement, in less than an hour after the deal is sealed.