can "recently" be used in the sent merit list too?

[vapourminer]

so now the forum has the option to hide online status and the exact last visit for a few days (?) and just say "recently." after those few days it will then display the actual visit exact time.

can that also be done for sent merit list? while i may have my online status hidden and last forum visit listed as "recently" but a look at my sent merits give me away.. unless i not send merits of course.

anyway to have sent merits times be "hidden" for a period of time?

[BlackBoss_]

so now the forum has the option to hide online status and the exact last visit for a few days (?) and just say "recently." after those few days it will then display the actual visit exact time.

can that also be done for sent merit list? while i may have my online status hidden and last forum visit listed as "recently" but a look at my sent merits give me away.. unless i not send merits of course.

anyway to have sent merits times be "hidden" for a period of time?

Do you ask it for your privacy?
From the patch programmed by PowerGlove, theymos did added it in the forum but it limits to only latest 72 hours so if anything is done similarly for merit history in user account, it will likely be limited to 72 hours too.
Small improvement regarding activity / "Show others your online status"

I don't know it is possible to do technically.

PowerGlove has Little things that bug you/me about the forum but unfortunately he announced that he will "spend his time and energy into other things."

[Tungbulu]

If it were possible to temporarily hide merit activities, don’t you think it’ll kinda defeat the point of merit tracking entirely?

I believe the only reason the forum is masking presence style or online status is actually to reduce real time tracking. One can temporarily change their online presence without any actual serious implications, but sent merits are completely different because they are kinda part of a permanent public action log, and the fact that they’re meant to be transparent means altering its status, even if temporarily could have some implications.

[MisFoxie]

so now the forum has the option to hide online status and the exact last visit for a few days (?) and just say "recently." after those few days it will then display the actual visit exact time.

can that also be done for sent merit list? while i may have my online status hidden and last forum visit listed as "recently" but a look at my sent merits give me away.. unless i not send merits of course.

anyway to have sent merits times be "hidden" for a period of time?

So basically hiding online status doesn't have any value, people can still track online status through merit timestamp. It's possible to add option like 'recently' in merit sending timestamp but will theymos do that?.

[TypoTonic]

So basically hiding online status doesn't have any value, people can still track online status through merit timestamp.

The same thing can be said when viewing the last post of a user. But the thing is, they will only know the last time you did an action in the forum, and not your current online status. For example, after posting this, you'll never know if I'm still online or if I already went to bed.

[Cookdata]

Nice! Just went invisible.

I may be asking for much, but wouldn't it be more appropriate if the user had the option to choose not to display any activity at all? For example, if you were inactive for 73 hours, display "(Not recently)" instead of "June 09, 2024, 08:40:33 PM". Or just "(Hidden)" regardless.

Someone might want to take a break without letting anyone know about it.

And I just proved your point honestly! 

There are many things that will be tradeoff with this request, it's possible but many will disagree.

[Charles-Tim]

If it were possible to temporarily hide merit activities, don’t you think it’ll kinda defeat the point of merit tracking entirely?

If it will be hidden for just few days like 3 days, it will not affect merit tracking.

Although, I think it is not necessary because people can also later ask for their posts to only display recently. It will be better not to just send merit and not post if you do not want anyone to see you online.

[Tungbulu]

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If it will be hidden for just few days like 3 days, it will not affect merit tracking.

Although, I think it is not necessary because people can also later ask for their posts to only display recently. It will be better not to just send merit and not post if you do not want anyone to see you online.

Most definitely. I mean it’s just for 72 hours right? It wouldn’t hurt to stay 3 days without giving out merits. Maybe if there’s a post you really wanna merit so badly within that 3 days period, you could simply just copy out the link to the post, save it somewhere and revisit it after the 72 hours duration or whenever you feel like letting others know you’re around, it’ll be much easier that way…

[BitBakerr1]

I really don’t think it’s necessary for the forum to function that way, merit giving should always be showing so people can always mentor how merit is being distributed to avoid abuse merit. If this is been implemented a lot of people will start abusing their merit, when we want something we should not only look at the advantage of it and how beautiful it will be it’s important we also look at the disadvantages and the problems it may cause in the future.
The best thing to do is not to give out merit for that few days you don’t want people to see you online however, if you see a post that deserve merit you can simply copy the link of the post and the name of the user and then drop it in your system note, be it your phone or laptop, when you are ready to come back online fully or let be know you are online you can just visit your note and start giving out merit, I usually do this when I run out of sendable merit and I see a merit worthy post.

[Nathrixxx]

can that also be done for sent merit list? while i may have my online status hidden and last forum visit listed as "recently" but a look at my sent merits give me away.. unless i not send merits of course.

The only reason I think this may not be a take by me like that is because of those that abuse merit and it will be very difficult for their busters to get the precise pattern or cheats they use in sending merits in an abusive way, especially the targeted time, but aside that, it is more better that we have it as you have suggested and I also go in support of it, only that we can't afford not to have those that we also take advantage of any privilege they see for their own personal interest.

[lovesmayfamilis]

That's right, someone really doesn't need their sent merits to have a time period, especially when it's necessary in order to distribute merits to their relatives or alternative accounts. That's exactly what was noticed recently, but the OP probably didn't like it. In addition, there were many cases when accounts woke up, sold merits, a large number of them, and went back into hibernation. But of course, why do we need to know this? After all, someone builds their ranks on their own, while others, the "smart fuckers," are able to enter the company's "office," on the other hand, much faster. Right?

[Shishir99]

That will need to be updated on both the sender's and the receiver's sides.
Let's say your privacy mode is enabled and your sent merits show recently instead of the date and time, but what about the receiver's profile? Let's say his privacy mode is not enabled. If someone visits his merit history page, people can see the time. However, it is also possible to hide it on the receiver's end. But if the receiver receives multiple merits, one from each sender, the middle one is from you, and the latest one from another, the merit transaction time of yours will be kinda obvious.

I am not sure if I am clear enough. But if you are okay with that, you can request a patch.

[KingsDen]

That's right, someone really doesn't need their sent merits to have a time period, especially when it's necessary in order to distribute merits to their relatives or alternative accounts. That's exactly what was noticed recently, but the OP probably didn't like it. In addition, there were many cases when accounts woke up, sold merits, a large number of them, and went back into hibernation. But of course, why do we need to know this? After all, someone builds their ranks on their own, while others, the "smart fuckers," are able to enter the company's "office," on the other hand, much faster. Right?

If what Op is requesting is implemented, it will surely aid merit abuse. But on the other hand, I honestly understand why Vapourminer is proposing this. He is the type of user that gives out merits in their good numbers daily. So, for him, the idea of displaying "recently" instead of the actual day of last activity is defeated.

His profile shows he last appeared online recently, which could mean few days and you search his profile and discover that he issued merits same day, and even the timestamp could expose the exact time.

I wish this his discovery will not prevent him from effectively distributing merits as he is known for good merit distribution habit.

[Ambatman]

There are different pathways I can think of about this
Make merit history hidden for some days but that would have to be applied to many and could be complicated
Make merit sending anonymous for some days.......... That's I don't know.
Merit sending don't have time stamped attached and instead recent for certain days
And time and date once it's past.

But the fact it is hidden means it was recently sent
So it's like wearing a mask in a crowd of people.

[The Cryptovator]

I think it's possible to implement, but it has to add complicated coding. It's just not about hiding merit history from your profile; then it has to be hidden from the receiver profile and post as well. Because when you click your recently sent merits to a post, then it will redirect to the post. Then you have to be an anonymous merit sender to the post. But the problem is if the post was made today, then it's easy to think that you sent merit today means you are active today.

So technically merit sent history would be implemented as recently instead of the time, but mathematically users still could notice when you sent the merit. It couldn't be solved for 'today', but after one day it won't be possible to think about either sent today or yesterday. I hope you realised what I want to express.

[Mia Chloe]

so now the forum has the option to hide online status and the exact last visit for a few days (?) and just say "recently." after those few days it will then display the actual visit exact time.
anyway to have sent merits times be "hidden" for a period of time?

Well it should be possible but considering how merit transactions ought to be transparent I doubt such additions would be implemented because it would defy that purpose entirely. Regardless of that "recently" used instead of a particular time stamp will still bring up the timestamp once again after some time.

There are still some minor advantages though if we continue to consider it but I still doubt it is enough to make it implemented. Seems like you've been a big fan of adding new features to the forum lately lol...

[Moreno233]

Even if this privacy requirement is implemented on the merit sent from the side of the sender, how will that be implemented on the side of the receiver? When someone receive merit, the sender and the time it was sent are usually visible, this will definitely show that the sender have been online.

Additionally, other external websites that like Bpip, Bitlist and the rest of them may still be able to capture this information.

[Z_MBFM]

so now the forum has the option to hide online status and the exact last visit for a few days (?) and just say "recently." after those few days it will then display the actual visit exact time.

can that also be done for sent merit list? while i may have my online status hidden and last forum visit listed as "recently" but a look at my sent merits give me away.. unless i not send merits of course.

anyway to have sent merits times be "hidden" for a period of time?

There is no system to hide merit transactions and I don't think it should be implemented because when there is an option to hide merit transactions or merit send time, it will be a big opportunity for merit abusers to abuse. Although no action is taken here on merit transactions, if there are no large transactions, sometimes it becomes very important to see the merit transaction history for investigation.

Another thing is that your transactions are archived in third party tools, so even if you get a temporary option here, it will be clearly visible if you check it through the tools, so in this case too, you have no chance to hide it. I don't think such an option will be implemented.

[noorman0]

I don't know if that would add any extra "hidden" effect, since merits are like posts, and people can only guess what you'll post next.
Besides, merit circulation is already a forum activity, so I think it's important to always show it in real time; if there's potential for abuse or anything, it's not too late to bring it up.

[Alone055]

Merit sending don't have time stamped attached and instead recent for certain days
And time and date once it's past.

I thought of this, but then I realized how this is actually going to keep the privacy protected for someone who doesn't want anyone to notice that they are actually online but have their online status hidden. Let me explain why.

Let's say, @theymos adds a feature where someone who has their online status hidden, and it says "recently" in the last seen column, and it then also says the same thing to any merits they send, both on their profile and on the profile of the receiver, like this:


vapourminer's merit summary page shows:

Sent in the last 120 days:

- Recently: 2 to Ambatman for Re: can "recently" be used in the sent merit list too?

And, Ambatman's merit summary page shows"

Received in the last 120 days:

- Recently: 2 from vapourminer for Re: can "recently" be used in the sent merit list too?


Now, it is surely hiding the date and time for when the merit was sent by vapourminer to you, both on his profile and yours, but there will surely be more merits received by you, where the date and time will be shown, which doesn't really make vapourminer's online status hidden anymore because if he sent you merits today at 4 PM, and someone had sent some on 3:30 PM, and someone else did it at 4:30 PM, for example, and they don't have their online status hidden, their date and time will be shown, which will still tell that vapourminer sent those merits just today, in between 3:30 PM to 4:30 PM, it's just that the exact time can't be known, which isn't the concern here, surely.

Now, unless the ordering of the received merits on the receiver's profile is changed in a way that vapourminer's (I'm using OP's name as an example in my post since it's his thread) sent merits are not placed in between two recently received merits based on what time he sent them, none of this will really do much.

So, in my opinion, hiding the date and time to "recently" either on the sender's merit summary page or the receiver's won't do much in this case.