New Documentary "Finding Satoshi" Claims Finney & Sassaman as Bitcoin Co-Creator

[Nathrixxx]

We can see a lot of discussions about Satoshi Nakamoto, but still now it remains a mystery. Recently news popped up in my newsfeed about "New Satoshi documentary makes the case Hal Finney and Len Sassaman were Bitcoin's co-creators". They have presented their arguments, although I am not sure whether the arguments are right or wrong. Because we see a lot of arguments; even a couple of people claimed to be Satoshi Nakamoto.

None of these argument is legit because Hal Finney we are talking about is late, I don't know of Len Sassaman, secondly, even right from inception, we all know that satoshi nakamato only made is Force bitcoin transaction to Hall and they have never been anything to relate the two of them being a single entity, so I don't know what people gain in all this they are trying to prove when we can't even have access to the two of this guys and reality or them signing a message.

[AmoreJaz]

I can agree that Satoshi Nakamoto had co-Creators but he was the brain behind the invention of bitcoin. Let's assume that Finney and Sassaman were Bitcoin co-creators but they are not alive anymore which means that even if they would have revealed who Satoshi Nakamoto is, it's not possible anymore therefore he will remain a mystery. And if his co-Creators are dead, what are the chances that Satoshi is still alive? the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto died when he said he has moved on to other things so there is no amount of research that can reveal his identity.

We don't know the reality of this saga but no matter what, just be grateful that we have bitcoin today. That's all that matters. Maybe in the future, we will truly know the truth behind Satoshi. But for now, don't be so stressed finding the real Satoshi. I believe it is better to find ways how to take advantage of the market, rather than, find his true identity.

[JoyMarsha]

OP, if you hadn't brought this up for discussion, I think many of us wouldn't have known that there are people who, to this day, claim to be Satoshi after many wrong findings.

Nowadays, these claims about who Satoshi is have become irrelevant and sound ridiculous to hear. People no longer see it as important to give a listening ear because they are turning out to be the same, not the real Satoshi

[Akbarkoe]

Discussions and speculations and the formation of movies and so on ultimately from the signs we have, from the discoveries that have been painstakingly searched in the end only say “probably” there is no guarantee that the person mentioned Satoshi is the real Satoshi, and some people only rely on their beliefs to say he is Satoshi to validate their arguments, not based on evidence.
 
I am very grateful that Satoshi's account was closed on the forum so that no one can hack it, otherwise, with so many signs that someone can validate that he is Satoshi by using his forum account, it is more dangerous because more people will believe it.

The world will never stop looking for who Satoshi really is as bitcoin adoption grows in the world, so enjoy discussions like this.

[Wind_FURY]

Years ago, I got a signature from Peter Todd (another Satoshi Nakamoto suspect from the HBO documentary).
"Hey Satoshi, can you sign for me?"
He smiled and wrote on a piece of paper, then handed it to me folded.
He had signed "Craig Wright."

I have a personal bias. I want Peter Todd to be Satoshi. Haha. He's probably at the lowest of who's possible to be Satoshi, but he's indeed one of the biggest trolls in Bitcoin Land that I want it to be him.

 

These documentaries are definitely interesting. It's fascinating how the more we search for Satoshi... the more we are actually hiding him.
 
The more details, clues, and speculations that arise, the less likely we'll ever be able to identify him.
It's interesting how people refer to Satoshi using "he/she/them." I believe the idea that Satoshi should be identified as a single person—as a real human, as a "nerd" like any of us—isn't casual at all.

Every time you need to spend Bitcoin and your government (or someone else) decides to impose their veto, you understand why Satoshi Nakamoto must remain just a name.

https://t.co/AGhFKw9tNS
https://x.com/bitbollo/status/2047542101018341537

He will continue to be "just a name" even if they guessed the right person. They might have already guessed the right person.

[o48o]

So it's only available on their webpage and pay per view? Strange marketing. I couldn't find even a pirated version, only a documentary with a same name from 4 years ago, which i am not interested to see.

While i think that we are better off not knowing the identity / identities of satoshi, i must confess that i am intrigued about the mystery, and definitely paying attention when ever someone makes new sensible takes about it. It's same kind of fascination i got for Roman dodecahedrons or anything even semi-mystical.

[Furious 7]

Even though it is said to be the most worthy of many names in the end in the article it is said that there are still some doubts so that this can be said to be not finding satoshi but only wanting to find candidates who can be claimed as satoshi.

There are many pros and cons including the writing that is claimed to be satoshi's email so why force to make 2 people as candidates worthy of being satoshi when there are still pros and cons going on about it.
It seems that each of us always wants to know about satoshi and the longer the candidates grow who are claimed to be satoshi, it's just that the situation will look the same where they are still pros and cons and it could be that the original satoshi just laughs at this if indeed he is still in one place that we don't know about.S
The debate on who is satoshi will never end and I always enjoy the many arguments given although I will not admit they are satoshi for now because I believe satoshi should still be anonymous and forever should be like that.

[Wind_FURY]

So it's only available on their webpage and pay per view? Strange marketing. I couldn't find even a pirated version, only a documentary with a same name from 4 years ago, which i am not interested to see.

While i think that we are better off not knowing the identity / identities of satoshi, i must confess that i am intrigued about the mystery, and definitely paying attention when ever someone makes new sensible takes about it. It's same kind of fascination i got for Roman dodecahedrons or anything even semi-mystical.

During the early days, knowing the real identity of Satoshi probably "mattered" more. But today, I believe it's better not to know/stop trying to know? Why? Because its impact might be not as massive that if it was known more than ten years ago.

Many people would probably not care anymore.

  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Personally, I don't care anymore.

[BlackBoss_]

During the early days, knowing the real identity of Satoshi probably "mattered" more. But today, I believe it's better not to know/stop trying to know? Why? Because its impact might be not as massive that if it was known more than ten years ago.

Some information about Satoshi Nakamoto that can be interesting for reading but not helpful for finding Satoshi identity.

https://bitcointalk.org/first_topics/

1, 2, and 4 exist in the staff forum. 3 was permanently deleted at some point (it must have contained Satoshi's real name and address).

I've rethought this, and I won't be releasing the PMs in 2021. I'm convinced that nobody will ever identify Satoshi no matter what info comes out, so I'm not worried about that, but I am concerned about the privacy of those who communicated with him.

I've never read Satoshi's PMs.

(Though he always used Tor, as far as I can tell.)

Many people would probably not care anymore.

  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Personally, I don't care anymore.

I am the same like you, I don't care about identity of Satoshi Nakamoto anymore.

There are enough or even very abundant threads about Satoshi Nakamoto.
I gathered every Satoshi Nakamoto threads.

[Wind_FURY]

During the early days, knowing the real identity of Satoshi probably "mattered" more. But today, I believe it's better not to know/stop trying to know? Why? Because its impact might be not as massive that if it was known more than ten years ago.

Some information about Satoshi Nakamoto that can be interesting for reading but not helpful for finding Satoshi identity.

https://bitcointalk.org/first_topics/

1, 2, and 4 exist in the staff forum. 3 was permanently deleted at some point (it must have contained Satoshi's real name and address).

I've rethought this, and I won't be releasing the PMs in 2021. I'm convinced that nobody will ever identify Satoshi no matter what info comes out, so I'm not worried about that, but I am concerned about the privacy of those who communicated with him.

I've never read Satoshi's PMs.

(Though he always used Tor, as far as I can tell.)

In my personal opinion, it would be wiser for anyone who had some close interaction with Satoshi to,

- Tell everyone, and suggest that Satoshi kept his identity very private that it would be impossible to get any real clues on who he actually is.

- Be ignorant of any private information about Satoshi.

I'm not suggesting that theymos knows more but he's pretending to not know more. I'm merely saying that it's the best action to do and move on.

[lionheart78]

Seems they are having a hard time finding the real Satoshi, now they are considering people as co-creators of BTC?  They are creating a second persona since they failed to identify the main one.  Nice move, I say.  

I wonder if there are documents or information that state these two worked with Satoshi before Bitcoin became fully functional.  So far, the only one that I read is Satoshi sending an email to Wei Dai inquiring about something, but obviously, Wei Dai is not a co-creator of BTC.  

Regarding Hal, there is no solid evidence or proof that he works with Satoshi in creating Bitcoin.  He might be a collaborator, but I am having a second thought about whether he helped Satoshi code the Bitcoin program since Hal get intouch with Satoshi after the Bitcoin white paper and design were created.

[macson]

If at some point they start connecting anyone in this forum with "Satoshi," I will not be surprised. This is because what they do is just match random things and then conclude that it is Satoshi.

Their speculation will get wilder over time because they need more names to turn into their version of "Satoshi." They do not care if it can be proven or not. As long as they can get some money from this, they will just keep making useless documentaries like this.

[Wind_FURY]

If at some point they start connecting anyone in this forum with "Satoshi," I will not be surprised. This is because what they do is just match random things and then conclude that it is Satoshi.

Their speculation will get wilder over time because they need more names to turn into their version of "Satoshi." They do not care if it can be proven or not. As long as they can get some money from this, they will just keep making useless documentaries like this.

Someone who's currently active in BitcoinTalk? I definitely WILL BE SURPRISED. - Surprised at the stupidity of anyone connecting a pleb with Satoshi.

If someone actually does that, then it's probably the right time to stop the "Search for Satoshi Nakamoto".

 

[BlackHatCoiner]

It always made me curious how Hal was living in the same neighborhood with Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto. To me that cannot be a mere coincidence, and only leaves two possibilities. Either Hal is Satoshi, or someone very close to Hal who knew him before 2007, was Satoshi.

It is still super weird if some person used the birth name of a neighbor of the first Bitcoin user in history as a pseudonym. Could it be a scapegoat attempt?

[tbct_mt2]

It always made me curious how Hal was living in the same neighborhood with Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto. To me that cannot be a mere coincidence, and only leaves two possibilities. Either Hal is Satoshi, or someone very close to Hal who knew him before 2007, was Satoshi.

It is still super weird if some person used the birth name of a neighbor of the first Bitcoin user in history as a pseudonym. Could it be a scapegoat attempt?

Hal Finney is the best candidate for being Satoshi Nakamoto as Satoshi Nakamoto announced to leave the community and left it not a long time before Hal Finney got more severe health issues and eventually passed away.

However, I am still convinced by this post from Jameson Lopp with information, checks he did and compiled for that post.
Hal Finney was not Satoshi Nakamoto.

theymos still thinks that if Satoshi Nakamoto is a single person, the highest probable person is Hal Finney.

- 35% chance it's Hal Finney. (Over time, I've moved more probability into this category.)

[Hewlet]

I just hope one day I would be among the people suspected to be satoshi
Because anybody can just pick names and start finding patterns to back it.
None of the supposed documentary have ever brought any substantial evidence
What they do is speculate
And hold on to the belief that people might be interested.

They are just looking for relevance and the unfortunate thing is that once we take whatever they push out seriously, they get the satisfaction that Their agenda has actually worked out if not by simply ignoring them, some of these documentary won't above their corridor.

As you stay longer in the crypto space, I think one of the things you will eventually get used to is someone coming up to claim the identity of Satoshi and wether the evidence they bring up is logical or not, fact remains that the real Satoshi wouldn't struggle to push himself to the public as Satoshi. Any narrative that looks like something that's being pushed to the public seeking for acceptance is already a false narrative.

[BlackHatCoiner]

Hal Finney is the best candidate for being Satoshi Nakamoto as Satoshi Nakamoto announced to leave the community and left it not a long time before Hal Finney got more severe health issues and eventually passed away.

Why would you choose for a pseudonym the birth name of the person living next to you, if your goal is to be as anonymous as possible? It doesn't stick to me. There's also a good article from Lopp, as you mentioned, where he notes that Satoshi wrote an email to Mike Hearn at the same time Hal Finney was running a marathon. Some would say he did this to have an alibi. My question to those people is: why using an email for that? Why not a forum post which is publicly available for everyone to verify? An email can be lost, or not made available publicly ever.

[dkbit98]

So now they started making up co-satoshis, and that can basically be anyone who ever communicated with Satoshi or worked on code in the early days of Bitcoin.
Before doing that they claimed for both of this guys as the real satoshi, and now they inventing new stories.
I guess it's still better than having countless clowns claiming to be satoshi and creating new crap coins.

[Wind_FURY]

It always made me curious how Hal was living in the same neighborhood with Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto. To me that cannot be a mere coincidence, and only leaves two possibilities. Either Hal is Satoshi, or someone very close to Hal who knew him before 2007, was Satoshi.

It is still super weird if some person used the birth name of a neighbor of the first Bitcoin user in history as a pseudonym. Could it be a scapegoat attempt?

Or Dorian is also Satoshi.

Hal and Dorian probably met in person while Hal was in one of his runs in the neighborhood, then had a discussion about their backgrounds,

- Hal was a Computer Scientist and a Cryptographer
- Dorian is a Computer Engineer and a Physicist

I believe those skillsets combined = Satoshi Nakamoto's skillset.

[hd49728]

Or Dorian is also Satoshi.

Hal and Dorian probably met in person while Hal was in one of his runs in the neighborhood, then had a discussion about their backgrounds,

- Hal was a Computer Scientist and a Cryptographer
- Dorian is a Computer Engineer and a Physicist

I believe those skillsets combined = Satoshi Nakamoto's skillset.

It leads us back to a conspiracy theory that Satoshi Nakamoto is not a single person but a group of people like group of Cypherpunks.

A Cypherpunks' manifesto.
Bitcoin and the rise of the Cypherpunks.

It's one of some conspiracy theories but more likely people tend to think that Satoshi Nakamoto is an individual person.