New Documentary "Finding Satoshi" Claims Finney & Sassaman as Bitcoin Co-Creator

[hd49728]

There's no way Satoshi just randomly typed his real name and address on an Internet board. I don't understand why theymos would write that.

It's very big surprise but I don't know why theymos knew or guessed that deleted topic has real name and address of Satoshi Nakamoto. I think it is only a guess of theymos because if Satoshi Nakamoto deleted the topic permanently, he would have erased everything including different forum data base backup related to that deleted topic.

I also very surprised if Satoshi Nakamoto actually posted his real name and address.

But theymos wrote "must have contained" so this shows certainty on that information.

[BluebloodCXVI]

I believe those skillsets combined = Satoshi Nakamoto's skillset.

You are Dorian. Give me one good reason why you're choosing your birth name for your pseudonym. Same question for Hal. Give me one good reason why you're choosing your neighbor's birth name for your pseudonym. Doesn't make any sense.

Maybe Hal and Satoshi knew each other with their real names, and Satoshi knew Dorian also. Who knows. 

It’s all speculative nonsense, no proof to substantiate this claims. For all I know, the matrix probably got to satoshi because of his creation and the fact that it took some level of control out of their hands (the matrix) .

[PrivacyG]

Satoshi Nakamoto prevented his identity from community in the future long time before his disappearance from communities by this action.

Satoshi Nakamoto deleted topic 3 permanently. It is unbelievable that a person who cared a lot about privacy and anonymity did posted the real name and address.

By quickly deleting topic 3, Satoshi Nakamoto proactively prevented his identity to be known by community in the future.

I never knew about the deleted Topics.  Thank you.  But I find it extremely hard to believe that Topic had his real information published in it.  It sounds illogical.  Protect your own identity at such a level and then publish all the information on an Internet page?

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Actually, what Satoshi said was "very large transaction volume OR no transaction volume". - He truly didn't know, but he was wise to say the way he said it.

My point was that if he considered the 'very large transaction volume' option then he took all the preventive measures for when that becomes reality.

It's getting out of context. Read and re-read the previous posts.

I read them before writing my previous reply, I just read them again but I still do not understand, where is it getting out of context?

[Wind_FURY]

Actually, what Satoshi said was "very large transaction volume OR no transaction volume". - He truly didn't know, but he was wise to say the way he said it.

My point was that if he considered the 'very large transaction volume' option then he took all the preventive measures for when that becomes reality.

Probably. But it would still be debatable if he actually believed in that BECAUSE he also said that " or it could have none".

It's getting out of context. Read and re-read the previous posts.

I read them before writing my previous reply, I just read them again but I still do not understand, where is it getting out of context?

My point was although, yes "Satoshi" in the context that Satoshi "could be" a Hal and Dorian team-up, they really weren't very sure that Bitcoin would be as massive as it is today when they adopted the pseudonym "Satoshi Nakamoto".

Although they wanted to hide their identities, it MIGHT not be the sort of "hide from the CIA" kind of hiding during the early days.

[Patikno]

Do you think Hal Finney and Sassaman were part of Satoshi's team and they were co-creators of Bitcoin?

They can argue about the name behind "Satoshi", and they can link it to some clues they have found, but they can't prove it without solid evidence to support it (simply, by signing a message).

Personally, I don't think they will be able to reliably find out who Satoshi really is, because the data or sources they have are limited. Satoshi is such a mysterious person, and he hid his identity so thoroughly, that no one has been able to reveal who he is to this day.

I'll probably release Satoshi's PMs and logged IPs addresses in ~8 years. This'd probably be of great historical interest. (Though he always used Tor, as far as I can tell.)


2021 edit: I changed my mind: I am not going to release Satoshi's PMs in 2021. See my post here.

The admin of our beloved forum once said, that Satoshi always uses Tor, and I think Satoshi is a very privacy-conscious person. So, how could they possibly discover Satoshi true identity, which is tightly concealed? Cmiiw.

[avp2306]

There's no way Satoshi just randomly typed his real name and address on an Internet board. I don't understand why theymos would write that.

It's very big surprise but I don't know why theymos knew or guessed that deleted topic has real name and address of Satoshi Nakamoto. I think it is only a guess of theymos because if Satoshi Nakamoto deleted the topic permanently, he would have erased everything including different forum data base backup related to that deleted topic.

I also very surprised if Satoshi Nakamoto actually posted his real name and address.

But theymos wrote "must have contained" so this shows certainty on that information.

Its questionable on why Satoshi will do that since that will be used against him if someone from early days save those information.

But since no one disclose those deleted topics so maybe we can assume that those statements is maybe also a speculation. I doubt that a smart person like him would post his name and address on a public forum.

Even us avoid doing it and for sure Satoshi knows that to. He provably know the consequences if he do such things.

[AndrewWeb]

Ok, I've now watched the documentary. In it the creator of C++ Bjarne Stroustrup confirms that Satoshi is a C++ coder. Whereas Jameson Lopp explains why Hal Finney couldn't have been Satoshi because he was out running a race, at the same time Satoshi was active on the internet.

Satoshi created programs with C++ that's the key to the whole who is Satoshi mystery.

BTW: Since Satoshi (as the documentary says) transferred Bitcoins to both Hal Finney and Mike Hearn in 2009. He hadn't at the time lost or deleted the private keys necessary to do this.

The documentary also says: "the best way to crack this case is to get Satoshi to move a coin"

[Wind_FURY]

Ok, I've now watched the documentary. In it the creator of C++ Bjarne Stroustrup confirms that Satoshi is a C++ coder. Whereas Jameson Lopp explains why Hal Finney couldn't have been Satoshi because he was out running a race, at the same time Satoshi was active on the internet.

That could give more significance to the debate that Satoshi is a group of individuals, NOT a single person.

Satoshi created programs with C++ that's the key to the whole who is Satoshi mystery.

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Which other programs that Satoshi code before Bitcoin?

BTW: Since Satoshi (as the documentary says) transferred Bitcoins to both Hal Finney and Mike Hearn in 2009. He hadn't at the time lost or deleted the private keys necessary to do this.

The documentary also says: "the best way to crack this case is to get Satoshi to move a coin"

That's not going to happen, no?

 

[AndrewWeb]

That's not going to happen, no?

 

No it's not going to happen. Because if he does that, then he reveals that he still has the keys. As I understand, he want's us to believe that he destroyed more than 20.000 private keys to more than 20.000 different addresses in the blockchain.

I can’t tell you which other programs and things he wrote in C++ before he also wrote Bitcoin in C++ without saying who he is. But it's all on internet, where things never go away.

Do the same as the documentary did, find which one of them wrote in C++. Just include some more names in the list. The documentary has only six names. It's not one of them.

[Satofan44]

Ok, I've now watched the documentary. In it the creator of C++ Bjarne Stroustrup confirms that Satoshi is a C++ coder. Whereas Jameson Lopp explains why Hal Finney couldn't have been Satoshi because he was out running a race, at the same time Satoshi was active on the internet.

This does not confirm anything at all, it is just another assumption. This kind of thing is easily faked with a partner and I have myself done this at many times in the past, both faking identities and time zones. It is laughably easy, so don't go there.

BTW: Since Satoshi (as the documentary says) transferred Bitcoins to both Hal Finney and Mike Hearn in 2009. He hadn't at the time lost or deleted the private keys necessary to do this.

He never claimed that he deleted those private keys then did he, why would he do that?

The documentary also says: "the best way to crack this case is to get Satoshi to move a coin"

If the coins get burned or moved to new addresses that do not get used it would not reveal anything at all. Therefore such a claim is false, the correct claim is that it might help but it might also not.

No it's not going to happen. Because if he does that, then he reveals that he still has the keys. As I understand, he want's us to believe that he destroyed more than 20.000 private keys to more than 20.000 different addresses in the blockchain.

Where did satoshi claim that he destroyed 20 000 private keys? From what I remember through the years of these stories coming and going, both the estimated stash size and the state of the keys are assumptions made by the public. There has never been proof that satoshi owned anything more than a smaller amount of coin. Therefore, he is not trying to make anyone "believe" anything. The people are doing it themselves.

I can’t tell you which other programs and things he wrote in C++ before he also wrote Bitcoin in C++ without saying who he is. But it's all on internet, where things never go away.

Do the same as the documentary did, find which one of them wrote in C++. Just include some more names in the list. The documentary has only six names. It's not one of them.

This is also nonsense. If I have publicly never released code in a particular language, that means that I do not know how to code well in this language? The inverse is also a joke, if I publicly mostly shared code in one language that means that is my main language? What else, if I don't have publicly released code tied to my current name that means that I do not know how to write any code?   You people are still so naive. The world is not what it seems, wake up and stop believing in things as they are told to you.

This is the exact opposite of "do not trust, verify", you are doing "make assumptions, don't verify".   It is all speculation full of assumptions, there has been zero proof at all for any of these claims.

[Wind_FURY]

That's not going to happen, no?

 

No it's not going to happen. Because if he does that, then he reveals that he still has the keys. As I understand, he want's us to believe that he destroyed more than 20.000 private keys to more than 20.000 different addresses in the blockchain.

More than 20,000 addresses?

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Are you trying to scare us?

BUT I would like to believe that he already burned those private keys.

I can’t tell you which other programs and things he wrote in C++ before he also wrote Bitcoin in C++ without saying who he is. But it's all on internet, where things never go away.

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It's all in the internet? Where? Because BEFORE Bitcoin, can you verify that did he or didn't he have other programs written C++?

[Mate2237]

Look we should have moved beyond trying to know who is behind the creation of Bitcoin or who Satoshi is, I don't think that even if we find out who this guy or group of persons that people are trying to say is, it will not make any difference in the fact that Bitcoin is one thing that has come to stay. We should be more concerned about things such as Bitcoin adoption rate in the world and look at ways were we could take Bitcoin to new territories that it has not been to.



I see these types of news as just distractions because, there are allot of news concerning who actually created Bitcoin and different theories exist some say the CIA even created Bitcoin. But at this point Bitcoin is now a global phinominom if Bitcoin has become so successful without actually knowing who is behind it, then why try and bring in who is actually behind it.

[Satofan44]

Look we should have moved beyond trying to know who is behind the creation of Bitcoin or who Satoshi is, I don't think that even if we find out who this guy or group of persons that people are trying to say is, it will not make any difference in the fact that Bitcoin is one thing that has come to stay. We should be more concerned about things such as Bitcoin adoption rate in the world and look at ways were we could take Bitcoin to new territories that it has not been to.

I see these types of news as just distractions because, there are allot of news concerning who actually created Bitcoin and different theories exist some say the CIA even created Bitcoin. But at this point Bitcoin is now a global phinominom if Bitcoin has become so successful without actually knowing who is behind it, then why try and bring in who is actually behind it.

We should, and I believe that I remember @d5000 talking about this somewhere perhaps in an interaction with me -- I don't remember anymore well at this advanced age. There is some benefit of the mystery behind Satoshi here, the average person is intrigued by meaningless concepts like that. You can easily manipulate their brains to find something interesting merely by adding a mystery to it, even to things that they would otherwise never care about. Even though I am completely behind your point and have strongly argued this previously myself, that needs to be mentioned here. He can expand on it again if he wants to.

On the other side of that, curiosity of normal people is often just a cover for their evil. Let's assume that satoshi is still alive. What exactly would finding him accomplish other than put his life and possibly the life of his family in danger? It does not even matter if he has the keys to the coin still or not, people are going to come. Why the fuck would someone want to destroy the life of somebody who does not deserve it? That is right, because they are evil and their evil is covered up by various character traits and personality aspects. People can pretend to be curious or invent other justifications in order to avoid admitting that deep down they are evil, but anyone who does not want to let this thing go has something wrong with them. Being a journalist, documentary maker or whatever other crap profession is not an excuse to commit evil.

Let satoshi die in peace. He deserves it more than most do.

[dkbit98]

I watched this movie few days ago and I have to say this is probably one of the best documentary movies I ever saw about Bitcoin and Satoshi Nakamoto.
I won't post any spoilers but I think it's worth watching it because they interviews Fran Finney (wife of Hall), Phil Zimmermann (creator of PGP), Jameson Lopp, and many others.
They have reasonable theory about Satoshi but they didn't conclude anything with evidence.
My recommendation for everyone  is to watch this movie.

[BlackHatCoiner]

There has never been proof that satoshi owned anything more than a smaller amount of coin.

There is no proof that Satoshi owns 1 million bitcoin, but there's pretty solid evidence that one entity (which was named "Patoshi") mined around 1 million bitcoin in the early days. It's a case to be made whether this entity is Satoshi (there's some link there), but the entity that owned (or owned) those coins did exist.

I won't post any spoilers but I think it's worth watching it because they interviews Fran Finney (wife of Hall), Phil Zimmermann (creator of PGP), Jameson Lopp, and many others.

Even though I haven't watched it, those are the best people to interview. I am curious how Fran Finney agreed to talk about her view on this subject, when this documentary could put her life in danger.

[fillippone]

Years ago, I got a signature from Peter Todd (another Satoshi Nakamoto suspect from the HBO documentary).
"Hey Satoshi, can you sign for me?"
He smiled and wrote on a piece of paper, then handed it to me folded.
He had signed "Craig Wright."

Great story, and I really can see this happening.
Peter Todd has a strange and harsh sense of humor.
I guess he also did not let you know how his signature appears on a document.

[dkbit98]

Even though I haven't watched it, those are the best people to interview. I am curious how Fran Finney agreed to talk about her view on this subject, when this documentary could put her life in danger.

She was actually one of the first people who watched documentary in preproduction and she loved it.
For me it was a bigger surprise that Zimmerman accepted to participate in this documentary, since in the early days he could end up in jail for creating open source PGP.
Some of the people who talked in this interview received life threats before and they leave private life in hidden locations.

[fillippone]

Even though I haven't watched it, those are the best people to interview. I am curious how Fran Finney agreed to talk about her view on this subject, when this documentary could put her life in danger.

She was actually one of the first people who watched documentary in preproduction and she loved it.
For me it was a bigger surprise that Zimmerman accepted to participate in this documentary, since in the early days he could end up in jail for creating open source PGP.
Some of the people who talked in this interview received life threats before and they leave private life in hidden locations.

I finally found a way of watching this documentary.
I have heard very good reviews and opinions about it, and I can't wait to see it in full-length.
I will post some thoughts here once I have fully watched it.

[KingsDen]

...To me, some key points indicate that both of them had worked with Satoshi, but I can't make sure they are co-creators. What do you think?

If it is strong established that both of them had worked with Satoshi and Satoshi is Pseudo-anonymous, there is likelihood that there was no Satoshi apart from two of them.

But to me, that is not the borne of context. The context remains that Satoshi is gone. Even if the real Satoshi is uncovered, we will all consider it as fake. So, let's come to the realisation that Satoshi cannot be uncovered. It remains a mystery for life.

[Ssatooshi]

What we refer as Satoshi as: "The man that was writing messages" was Len. End of story.
Now you can buy t-shirt with his face on it as a tribute if you want to.