How useful can live RTP be in gambling?

[nara1892]

So far I have never seen a casino that displays RTP live, on average I only see it on the RTP display as usual and not broadcast live, but I have tried playing while continuing to pay attention to the RTP, I found that sometimes, as you said OP, the game performance runs quite well and is in accordance with the RTP percentage, but I also found that when playing in a type of game with an RTP above 90% but the game performance is very bad, my balance only lasts for a few minutes and eventually runs out, from there I can conclude that the RTP does not always match the game performance.

[Chinesebaby]

So far I have never seen a casino that displays RTP live, on average I only see it on the RTP display as usual and not broadcast live, but I have tried playing while continuing to pay attention to the RTP, I found that sometimes, as you said OP, the game performance runs quite well and is in accordance with the RTP percentage, but I also found that when playing in a type of game with an RTP above 90% but the game performance is very bad, my balance only lasts for a few minutes and eventually runs out, from there I can conclude that the RTP does not always match the game performance.

To be honest, one mistake gamblers make is the fact that when they see a casino display either 80% to 100% RTP (Return To Players),  they always assume that while gambling, they stand the chance of getting back the same exact 80% or more of whatever capital they used for gambling, while forgetting the fact that the Return To Players percentage been displayed above, are always a cumulative calculation made within a certain period of time on the casino. Which can either be a day, week or month, and it literally doesn't mean on the exact same bet you just made that you will get the 80% capital been returned to you. So even with a casino that claims to offer 100% return to player, luck is still also very important.

[suzanne5223]

So far I have never seen a casino that displays RTP live, on average I only see it on the RTP display as usual and not broadcast live, but I have tried playing while continuing to pay attention to the RTP, I found that sometimes, as you said OP, the game performance runs quite well and is in accordance with the RTP percentage, but I also found that when playing in a type of game with an RTP above 90% but the game performance is very bad, my balance only lasts for a few minutes and eventually runs out, from there I can conclude that the RTP does not always match the game performance.

Yes, RTP doesn't always match game performance because it has its model operation, which won't work in short term gamplay, and its theoretical work is based on gameplay percentage due to it being programmed to pay back players over a very long period of gameplay.
Meanwhile, I never understood how the live RTP percentage was programmed, and I hope it is something that will favor the players because there seems to be a chance that it won't favor the players based on what the OP has explained.

[TopT3ns]

So far I have never seen a casino that displays RTP live, on average I only see it on the RTP display as usual and not broadcast live, but I have tried playing while continuing to pay attention to the RTP, I found that sometimes, as you said OP, the game performance runs quite well and is in accordance with the RTP percentage, but I also found that when playing in a type of game with an RTP above 90% but the game performance is very bad, my balance only lasts for a few minutes and eventually runs out, from there I can conclude that the RTP does not always match the game performance.

It is easy to lose count of a lot of players in RTP numbers without the knowledge that the payout rate can change drastically over the course of a gaming session. Although percentages of above ninety percent are encouraging, there is a danger of an eventual loss. True, that what you see on-screen can, and frequently is, disappointing, but it is better to keep it in check and time your playing time lest your bankroll gets washed away without a struggle.

[Hispo]

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So I’m wondering how effective is this live RTP thing?  Do you think it can actually change our gambling habbit?

To be honest, this is the first time I have heard about live Return to Player rates. I have always assume the rate of the money being returned to gamblers as fixed and did not move.
Having a Return to Player rate of just 46% is very very low, competitive Slots usually offer up to 97% of Return to Player rates to their gamblers.

It would personally never engage in slots which offered so such a low return to player rates, of a casino gave me that, then I would switch to sportbetting instead... At least, I think I would have better chances to make more money out of my time and bankroll.

[Wakate]

So far I have never seen a casino that displays RTP live, on average I only see it on the RTP display as usual and not broadcast live, but I have tried playing while continuing to pay attention to the RTP, I found that sometimes, as you said OP, the game performance runs quite well and is in accordance with the RTP percentage, but I also found that when playing in a type of game with an RTP above 90% but the game performance is very bad, my balance only lasts for a few minutes and eventually runs out, from there I can conclude that the RTP does not always match the game performance.

Yes, RTP doesn't always match game performance because it has its model operation, which won't work in short term gamplay, and its theoretical work is based on gameplay percentage due to it being programmed to pay back players over a very long period of gameplay.
Meanwhile, I never understood how the live RTP percentage was programmed, and I hope it is something that will favor the players because there seems to be a chance that it won't favor the players based on what the OP has explained.

What most gambles often think about RTP is the ability to make their gaming experience cool and less chances of losing money due to the percentage of the RTP especially when it is high. The RTP is a model that is programmed for a short period of game play.
Depending on RTP for every game a gambler want to play can have a different outcome and that doesn't necessarily mean that loses will be minimal thoughout the gaming experience.

[junder]

RTP can’t be use basis on how will the game be profitable. It only indicates it’s possible performance when you play the game but it will requires huge sample of bet to make that stats accurate on your betting condition.

RTP effects is almost can’t be feel on your normal betting because we usually do small amount of spins per game.

Whatever its function is, I don’t care about it, because I just play by running the game and waiting for luck to be on my side and give me a win including strategies some people believe in strategies, but I don’t.

Sometimes I can tell the difference between a good game and a bad one, but I don’t think we can determine that based on the RTP percentage.

[nara1892]

So far I have never seen a casino that displays RTP live, on average I only see it on the RTP display as usual and not broadcast live, but I have tried playing while continuing to pay attention to the RTP, I found that sometimes, as you said OP, the game performance runs quite well and is in accordance with the RTP percentage, but I also found that when playing in a type of game with an RTP above 90% but the game performance is very bad, my balance only lasts for a few minutes and eventually runs out, from there I can conclude that the RTP does not always match the game performance.

It is easy to lose count of a lot of players in RTP numbers without the knowledge that the payout rate can change drastically over the course of a gaming session. Although percentages of above ninety percent are encouraging, there is a danger of an eventual loss. True, that what you see on-screen can, and frequently is, disappointing, but it is better to keep it in check and time your playing time lest your bankroll gets washed away without a struggle.

Yes, and because of that experience, I now don't rely on RTP. I simply play the games I want to play without looking at the RTP percentage. This can sometimes be a trick for gamblers to get excited, raise their expectations, and play more aggressively, believing the game has a high RTP, but the actual performance is the opposite. I prefer to remain cautious when playing without overly expecting anything.

[suzanne5223]

Yes, RTP doesn't always match game performance because it has its model operation, which won't work in short term gamplay, and its theoretical work is based on gameplay percentage due to it being programmed to pay back players over a very long period of gameplay.
Meanwhile, I never understood how the live RTP percentage was programmed, and I hope it is something that will favor the players because there seems to be a chance that it won't favor the players based on what the OP has explained.

What most gambles often think about RTP is the ability to make their gaming experience cool and less chances of losing money due to the percentage of the RTP especially when it is high. The RTP is a model that is programmed for a short period of game play.
Depending on RTP for every game a gambler want to play can have a different outcome and that doesn't necessarily mean that loses will be minimal thoughout the gaming experience.

No, that's not the theory behind RTP, which was mainly created to determine the average payback for gamblers because the house edge and game volatility, which always determine gamblers chance of losing money, are already fixed, so RTP does not significantly reduce gambler's chances of losing money in any meaningful way.
It is normal to misunderstand the concept of RTP, because I once did as well, since the RTP % also determines the house edge. An example 99% RTP = 1% house edge, but the game volatility also needs to be considered before knowing gambler's chance of losing money.

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[swogerino]

I have tested this live with NoLimitCity as they publish Hot as Hell meaning games with RTP that goes well up 1000% or Cold as Ice meaning very low RTP. I have tried both versions with different games each and the result were always the same, the games behaved just like they do normally, the hot 1000% RTP games didn't give me any substantial win and also cold as ice I didn't notice any huge lost bonus buy, I only tried bonus buys so don't know about actual spinning normally game play.

[michellee]

Whether that is live RTP or not, you need luck to win. Maybe that can be your guide to choose the slot game but you should not expect too high as slot is a gambling game based on the luck.

Some people changing their gambling habit and will check the RTP first before they play. They want to play on the slot that have meet their qualification and leave the slot if that is out of what they want.

But RTP can change so that will not effective and we could only pick the slot that we want, based on RTP or not.

[Orpichukwu]

I'm one of those people who don't believe in RTP, whether it's direct or not. I play gambling with slot games that rely entirely on luck although sometimes I find the casino I visit provides RTP but I ignore it because I believe more in luck that will give me victory. Some of my friends do slot gambling on games that have a high RTP because they believe it will easily provide victory.

Most casinos, before you start playing a particular slot game, might show the RTP boldly, or you will see it even before you click on the game. It does not really affect how we win based on how I look at it. I also just ignore it as long as the casino is what I somehow trust and their game's result is not manipulated; I'm good to go.

[Rikafip]

Having a Return to Player rate of just 46% is very very low, competitive Slots usually offer up to 97% of Return to Player rates to their gamblers.

RTP of only 46% is extremely low even for physical casinos, let alone online ones. I mean, people complain about physical casino slot machines that have 80%+ RTP as being rigger and never giving money back, and 46% would be just unplayable.

About the question that OP asked, I have nevr seen such feature, and honestly I wouldn't like to see it as it would only piss me off while I play.

[GiftedMAN]

Most casinos, before you start playing a particular slot game, might show the RTP boldly, or you will see it even before you click on the game. It does not really affect how we win based on how I look at it. I also just ignore it as long as the casino is what I somehow trust and their game's result is not manipulated; I'm good to go.

The thing is that a lot of gamblers barely pay attention to RTP the moment they’ve trusted a particular casino, and so automatically belief the games are fair. RTP on the other hand is more of a long term statistical indicator, so it pretty doesn’t guarantee anything within the short term. And that’s the reason why most gamblers just focus more on just having fun and enjoying the game, rather than bothering themselves too much about the percentage of the RTP.

[junder]

Most casinos, before you start playing a particular slot game, might show the RTP boldly, or you will see it even before you click on the game. It does not really affect how we win based on how I look at it. I also just ignore it as long as the casino is what I somehow trust and their game's result is not manipulated; I'm good to go.

Yes we will look at the RTP before clicking on the game because that's what usually happens and there are differences from each game with the RTP value, and I agree with you that it doesn't affect how we win even with the odds I'm not sure it affects because I just believe in complete luck when it comes to slot games. And like you said, as long as the casino is trustworthy then it doesn't matter.

[purple_sparkles]

I think it’s simply a good marketing tactic designed to attract as many customers as possible. Usually, the RTP in gambling games still doesn’t work exactly the way people imagine it does, there are always conditions involved, and in the end the casino still expects that you will leave enough money in the game. Still, if you were already planning to play with a certain amount of money anyway, such offers can be worth using because they may provide slightly more attractive conditions. Although, to be honest, they still often feel somewhat deceptive.

[348Judah]

Should we even have to consider the gambling rtp as a serious concern when the setup has already been made for it by the casino, they make sure that the balance it between the chances of winning and losing so that one does not get it twisted along the line from what he expects from gambling, if you don't trust the process maybe you don't go for it, things like this make some gamblers avoid playing casino games.

[panjul07]

Should we even have to consider the gambling rtp as a serious concern when the setup has already been made for it by the casino, they make sure that the balance it between the chances of winning and losing so that one does not get it twisted along the line from what he expects from gambling, if you don't trust the process maybe you don't go for it, things like this make some gamblers avoid playing casino games.

For slot lovers, RTP does a big concern just like when other loves to play other games such as dice (lower edge will be preferable).
In slot, although the result can be vary wildly but RTP is important thing to consider by slot lovers especially if there is 2 different type of RTP on the same game.
Lets say a game namely A, in casino X the RTP (default) is 96% while in casino Y the default RTP is 94%, players will prefer to play with the higher default RTP.
 

[justdimin]

Having a Return to Player rate of just 46% is very very low, competitive Slots usually offer up to 97% of Return to Player rates to their gamblers.

RTP of only 46% is extremely low even for physical casinos, let alone online ones. I mean, people complain about physical casino slot machines that have 80%+ RTP as being rigger and never giving money back, and 46% would be just unplayable.

About the question that OP asked, I have nevr seen such feature, and honestly I wouldn't like to see it as it would only piss me off while I play.

Yeah, man, 46% RTP is almost like you will lose half the bets just to the house edge itself. 46% RTP is insane and something I have never heard anywhere. The lowest RTP I've ever seen is 88%, I think for one of the egregious slots.

Live RTP can be useful because I do believe that if someone has had a max win on a slot, then usually many other players will lose to even out the average. Like if trainwreckstv hits a $20m win on a slot, I usually avoid playing that one for a while. On the other hand, if I see a slot running cold, then I prefer playing it because it means the slot will start paying soon to average out the RTP numbers.

[Wakate]

No, that's not the theory behind RTP, which was mainly created to determine the average payback for gamblers because the house edge and game volatility, which always determine gamblers chance of losing money, are already fixed, so RTP does not significantly reduce gambler's chances of losing money in any meaningful way.
It is normal to misunderstand the concept of RTP, because I once did as well, since the RTP % also determines the house edge. An example 99% RTP = 1% house edge, but the game volatility also needs to be considered before knowing gambler's chance of losing money.

Your point is very clear to me which means that if a game has 95 RTP, it means 95% will be the payback to gamblers that is playing the game over a period of time. There are so many theories to most of these casinos games and the RTP amd game volatility will not be the only factors that are used to check how profitable a casino games can be.