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October 16, 2026, 10:42:25 AM
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brains get injured .

I have been beaned with a golf ball. Walking outside a gold course.
I have hit my head on a windshield in a car accident.
As far as I know I recovered with out any important memory loss.

My bro-in-law has dementia from a stroke he suffers from permanent memory loss.

High fever can hurt you brain
Bee stings in bulk can hurt your brain
the list goes on.
Listen, everything comes to potential risks and benefits.

If you memorize seed phrases, no one will ever be able to steal it from you because there is no physical copy and no one can enter your mind right now, no one will probably assume that you remember seed phrases either since it's such an unpopular method. This is the benefit of memorizing but potential cons are the probability of forgetting your seeds but to nullify this risk, you can repeat your seed phrases every day multiple times per day for months and so on. This way, it will be sealed into your brain so much that it will almost be impossible to forget unless you get dementia or amnesia.

If you don't memorize seed phrases and save a physical copy somewhere, there are lots of threats in front of you.
1. Someone might accidentally find a physical copy and steal it.
2. If you tell a location to your spouse in case something happens to you or your memory, you are still risking and are trusting a third party.
3. The existence of physical copy itself is always a threat

By the way, when it comes to memory loss or a brain damage, if you get such a brain problem that you don't remember things, then you might not remember that you have a Bitcoin or you might not remember where you saved your seed's physical copy. That's why I find this argument very weak against my opinion about seed phrase memorizing, especially when we talk about 12 words.

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October 31, 2026, 09:24:23 PM
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If you don't memorize seed phrases and save a physical copy somewhere, there are lots of threats in front of you.
1. Someone might accidentally find a physical copy and steal it.
2. If you tell a location to your spouse in case something happens to you or your memory, you are still risking and are trusting a third party.
3. The existence of physical copy itself is always a threat

By the way, when it comes to memory loss or a brain damage, if you get such a brain problem that you don't remember things, then you might not remember that you have a Bitcoin or you might not remember where you saved your seed's physical copy. That's why I find this argument very weak against my opinion about seed phrase memorizing, especially when we talk about 12 words.
Memorizing a 12-word seed phrase is very easy, at least for me. I had already memorized a 24-word one for a long time, but I find 12-word seed phrases much more practical, and their 256-bit security will be maintained for a long time.

I have never dismissed or been against memorizing seed phrases, it is always good to keep physical copies, preferably encrypted, of your seed phrases. I don't recommend keeping seed phrases in plain text at the homes of relatives, friends, and acquaintances.

There are several ways to encrypt a seed (and I already mentioned one of them in this thread, if I'm not mistaken), but a good alternative is gpg/pgp, but, if u are going to encrypt a seed phrase, whatever the alternative, it is recommended that the procedure be done on an offline PC (for instance with tailsOS).

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October 31, 2026, 09:44:43 PM
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brains get injured .

I have been beaned with a golf ball. Walking outside a gold course.
I have hit my head on a windshield in a car accident.
As far as I know I recovered with out any important memory loss.

My bro-in-law has dementia from a stroke he suffers from permanent memory loss.

High fever can hurt you brain
Bee stings in bulk can hurt your brain
the list goes on.
Listen, everything comes to potential risks and benefits.

If you memorize seed phrases, no one will ever be able to steal it from you because there is no physical copy and no one can enter your mind right now, no one will probably assume that you remember seed phrases either since it's such an unpopular method. This is the benefit of memorizing but potential cons are the probability of forgetting your seeds but to nullify this risk, you can repeat your seed phrases every day multiple times per day for months and so on. This way, it will be sealed into your brain so much that it will almost be impossible to forget unless you get dementia or amnesia.

If you don't memorize seed phrases and save a physical copy somewhere, there are lots of threats in front of you.
1. Someone might accidentally find a physical copy and steal it.
2. If you tell a location to your spouse in case something happens to you or your memory, you are still risking and are trusting a third party.
3. The existence of physical copy itself is always a threat

By the way, when it comes to memory loss or a brain damage, if you get such a brain problem that you don't remember things, then you might not remember that you have a Bitcoin or you might not remember where you saved your seed's physical copy. That's why I find this argument very weak against my opinion about seed phrase memorizing, especially when we talk about 12 words.


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and a 48 symbol pass phrase in a second safety box in a second

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Today at 07:30:10 AM
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Memorizing a 12-word seed phrase is very easy, at least for me. I had already memorized a 24-word one for a long time, but I find 12-word seed phrases much more practical, and their 256-bit security will be maintained for a long time.
Just for the record: 12 seed words provide 128 bit security, not 256. It's still sufficient.

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Today at 08:35:38 AM
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Memorizing a 12-word seed phrase is very easy, at least for me. I had already memorized a 24-word one for a long time -snip-
It should be, since that's what "mnemonic code" stands for in BIP39's title: "Mnemonic code for generating deterministic keys"
Otherwise, BIP39 would fail on one of its concept (abstract): /bip-0039.mediawiki#abstract

But that doesn't mean that everyone can remember theirs, it's just easy to remember for the average user.

Anyways, I agree on most users here are saying: Don't rely on a single backup.
Ideally, one or more physical backups, preferably with BIP39 passphrase elsewhere and one in your brain.
As the famous saying goes: "One backup is no backup"

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Today at 08:55:29 AM
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...but potential cons are the probability of forgetting your seeds but to nullify this risk, you can repeat your seed phrases every day multiple times per day for months and so on. This way, it will be sealed into your brain so much that it will almost be impossible to forget unless you get dementia or amnesia.
From my own experience of memorization, constant repetition and recalling and verification "engraves" stuff in your memory. Your recalling, should always go with verification, can gradually increase intervals. After some time, you don't need to do it daily, maybe weekly is just fine. Depends on a persons individual memorization abilities. You shouldn't stop the recalling and verification or you might be surprised after months how fragile human memory can be.

Now, allow me to ask, how do you verify your recalling without a written source? How do you verify that what you recall doesn't change over time without written source or keeping track of a few of your previously written recalls? Genuinely curious!

I don't think, it's a good idea to operate without any written/documented source of very important stuff you want to seal in your memory. At least, I lack the imagination how it could be done safely without a copy in whatever form.


By the way, when it comes to memory loss or a brain damage, if you get such a brain problem that you don't remember things, then you might not remember that you have a Bitcoin or you might not remember where you saved your seed's physical copy. That's why I find this argument very weak against my opinion about seed phrase memorizing, especially when we talk about 12 words.
Well, you could place one or more small notebooks with important stuff which should not be forgotten at places where you will at least stumble over one of them without having to search deeply.

I'm sure you now say: but this is risky, someone else will see those things, too. Yes, possible. You can't completely avoid to put some trust in your own private space, not without overcomplicating things to absurd levels.

Make a honest risk assessment, prioritize the most likely loss risks, it's not likely to be able to remedy everything.


My two cents: I do not endorse human memory as a reliable place to keep mnemonic recovery words safely. How do you cope the need for more than one set of mnemonic recovery words? Good luck to safely distinguish two or more seeds. (Yes, I'm aware that there are methods to generate basically infinite numbers of wallets from just one set of seed words.)


As the famous saying goes: "One backup is no backup"
Very true, always have some redundancy. And this necessity makes human memory as sole backup a very risky strategy.

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