It keeps looking like centralisation is still in control

[MusaPk]

In my opinion, it seems that you are confusing two different things. The concept of decentralization of Bitcoin is a fundamental feature that cannot be debated because Bitcoin will remain decentralized no matter how much governments try to impose restrictions or try to circumvent them through third-party services. Bitcoin was and still is decentralized.

Centralized services that are controlled by governments or their regulations are something else entirely, different from Bitcoin. It is true that they use Bitcoin and can impose their restrictions, but they are not fundamentally part of the Bitcoin system, and you can still use Bitcoin in a decentralized way through your non-custodial wallet at any time.

One of core feature of Bitcoin is its concept of decentralisation that allow two parties to transfer cash without need of any intermediary like banks. We have seen that Bitcoin gained popularity because of its decentralised nature since its a feature that is never seen before. Meanwhile we have seen that centralised financial system like banks are also operating and they have not seen any decrease in business after the  introduction of Bitcoin. These two financial system are independent of each other and will operate alongside.

[PX-Z]

I have a question about Bitcoin.

Since people can use Bitcoin as a way to settle payments but centralisation is the one in control of it all, does this mean that decentralisation have failed in payment solution part?

Partly true, if you're only looking at bitcoin's base layer, where government speaks louder on its regulation. Where users need to strictly follow its regulation. But its misleading if you consider the whole ecosystem.

Bitcoin's base layer isn't efficient for retail payments knowing it needs several minutes for a confirmation, but decentralization is still intact and evolving through layered solutions like lightning.

[Ucy]

Seems you want a Bitcoin that functions more like a global payment solution. That won't easily work like you hoped for due to difference in national laws. And the nations will want Bitcoin companies or delears operating in their area of jurisdiction to operate according to their laws hence also restricting usage to citizens or people living in the nations of operations.

But there is a way out of this, which ofcourse is decentralized usage of Bitcoin with people around the world. This entails having an independent bitcoin parallel society/economy that is decentralized, operates on its own rules and can't be controlled by centralized power especially in a way that makes it hard for outsiders to freely participate in a local marketplace. Besides, there are decentralized or non-custodial platforms you can use for Bitcoin transactions.  But we advice trading with peers (including companies) nearest to you, even on a decentralized global marketplace, unless the peers don't have what you are looking for to buy. This will easily help you sort out any trade issue you may have with the local peer compare to trading with peers far away.

[snowpega]

Use ----> https://btcpayserver.org/ There is no need to use central parties.
The use of Bitcoin differs from the legal status of Bitcoin. You can use Bitcoin in a decentralized manner without anyone stopping or freezing your transaction.

Thank you very much for sharing this source, and I have added it to my sheet in case of future use. I have seen many relatable platforms that are affiliated with your shared source, e.g., big names like WooCommerce and Shopify, and I am kind of familiar with both of them. Other than this, if we talk more about the continued discussion on this topic, then I fear that the decentralization is losing control slowly and gradually. Because this system is not very welcome by the authorities and regularities as it opposes their traditional system, using which they come to know the activities of each individual on the internet, and with the help of that collected data, they come to reach at such end they can easily earn taxes and other values (fees) from crypto space users.

We, as cryptospace users, prefer more privacy and decentralization, and now big authorities are before this system, and that is why I feel like they will make such a framework for this space, everyone has to use a centralized system in the future as a user of cryptospace.  Regardless of all that I am aware, there are still many ways in which one can still have easy control over decentralization, but I am talking about the future. Well, this is my point of view. CMIIW!

[Exitoral]

Centralisation is still in control. It doesn't look like. It is still in control, despite the push for decentralisation. What we need to understand that humans generally like ease. The problem with decentralisation is that the ease of using it is not there.

The government of the world are trying their very best to take control on the cryptocurrency. And the truth remains that we are the ones to disallow it. It's up to us if they will win.

For example, we have CBDC dressed like a decentralised coin. But it is all government control asset.

[Anthony Bill]

I believe you know that centralize currency is be control by the government and government can decide not to allow decentralize currency not to be legalize or not to exist in a country. We know that government value centralize currency more than Bitcoin or altcoins,  because they can print more money to make it circulation for their citizens to feel the circulation through their economic.

[Chinesebaby]

I have a question about Bitcoin.

Since people can use Bitcoin as a way to settle payments but centralisation is the one in control of it all, does this mean that decentralisation have failed in payment solution part?

Because even US is now making it seem like crypto acceptance is for only those in the US, if you are out of the US you are on your own, it is like your own country needs to accept Bitcoin as means of settlement for you to take advantage of that.

That's a big lie, because when it comes to Bitcoin investment, your country do not need to accept Bitcoin before you can be able to have access into investing in it, because most of the places where Bitcoin is been banned are on centralized exchanges like Coinbase, Binance, and Bitget. But when it comes to non custodial wallets where it gives you full control like Electrum, Blue wallets and Unstoppable wallet where you can invest and hold your Bitcoin, those apps can be accessible from most countries, or unless Google services is been banned in your country like North Korea or China. So in a nutshell, Bitcoin still remains the best means of payment for cross-border transaction without the need of third parties.

[noorman0]

These services don't force you to use them. This suggests that more people fail to adopt decentralized transaction settlement methods, whether due to concerns about risk, being too comfortable with legacy systems, regulations, or simply not caring.

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Because even US is now making it seem like crypto acceptance is for only those in the US, if you are out of the US you are on your own, it is like your own country needs to accept Bitcoin as means of settlement for you to take advantage of that.

If Bitcoin works anywhere, it will work everywhere.

[Asiska02]

I have a question about Bitcoin.

Since people can use Bitcoin as a way to settle payments but centralisation is the one in control of it all, does this mean that decentralisation have failed in payment solution part?

Bitcoin has not failed in payment solutions, just because your country has banned the use of cryptocurrency and did not legalize it, it doesn’t stop one from making payment with bitcoin via decentralised means from one country to another without being traced. The only problem here is that it has not yet been legalized for payment system through the centralized means, because that’s what the government will want to be able to trace all transactions.

Because even US is now making it seem like crypto acceptance is for only those in the US, if you are out of the US you are on your own, it is like your own country needs to accept Bitcoin as means of settlement for you to take advantage of that.

What are people calling it? Cross bordering payment? If feels more like centralised payment solution using bitcoin.

My country never legalised bitcoin and even had to put some restrictions on its use and even stopped banks from allowing any transaction involving cryptocurrencies. Ever since after that government, the new government has no actual stance on the use of it but still not a legal entity yet but we use it for different purposes, like the cross border payment and also buying and selling online and offline if the two parties agree to accept such method of payment.

[Cookdata]

I have a question about Bitcoin.

Since people can use Bitcoin as a way to settle payments but centralisation is the one in control of it all, does this mean that decentralisation have failed in payment solution part?

What does Bitcoin payment has to do with centralization? Payment of Bitcoin is between two or more people mosh especially merchants and other business people while centralization has to do with control of Bitcoin, these people don't control bitcoin, they don't have large supply on their hands, they are not even among the rich wallets not to even compare their bags with institutional investors like Strategy and some other big companies that used Bitcoin as strategy for their company.

Because even US is now making it seem like crypto acceptance is for only those in the US, if you are out of the US you are on your own, it is like your own country needs to accept Bitcoin as means of settlement for you to take advantage of that.

What are people calling it? Cross bordering payment? If feels more like centralised payment solution using bitcoin.

Bitcoin payment is there but not everyone accept Bitcoin due to some reason but most valid reason is regulation and legal entity. The Bitcoin regulation is not clear in some places, accepting Bitcoin might cost you more than when you accept cash and sometimes it's liquidity. Some merchants are also bad for business, they will ask you for more charges if you want to pay with Bitcoin. All these problems is due to regulations that's why people take advantage of one another and it discourage most people.

[PhantomBoost]

Centralisation is still in control. It doesn't look like. It is still in control, despite the push for decentralisation. What we need to understand that humans generally like ease. The problem with decentralisation is that the ease of using it is not there.

The government of the world are trying their very best to take control on the cryptocurrency. And the truth remains that we are the ones to disallow it. It's up to us if they will win.

For example, we have CBDC dressed like a decentralised coin. But it is all government control asset.

Most people choose convenience and centralised services are usually easier to use than fully decentralised ones. That is why exchanges and custodial apps became so popular even in crypto. But I think the important thing is that bitcpon still gives people a choice, if someone wants full control and self-custody, they still can do it.

[moneystery]

That's not the case. If more people use centralized exchanges to complete their payments, they're choosing them because it's easier and more convenient. But that doesn't necessarily make Bitcoin's decentralized solution a failure in this context, Bitcoin still allows people to make payments to anyone in the world and it doesn't change. So, it's up to the user to decide whether they prefer to use a centralized exchange for their payments or use their non-custodial wallet to send Bitcoin.

[Sammye3]

I have a question about Bitcoin.

Since people can use Bitcoin as a way to settle payments but centralisation is the one in control of it all, does this mean that decentralisation have failed in payment solution part?

Because even US is now making it seem like crypto acceptance is for only those in the US, if you are out of the US you are on your own, it is like your own country needs to accept Bitcoin as means of settlement for you to take advantage of that.

What are people calling it? Cross bordering payment? If feels more like centralised payment solution using bitcoin.

Bitcoin is an entity and is decentralized, you can decide to trade on all centralized exchange using p2p and that is your choice but it does not defy the purpose bitcoin brings. Most countries do not accept Bitcoin as payment means and that could be a major barrier for cross border transactions but Bitcoin still remains its purpose for decentralization

[Victorybit1]

I have a question about Bitcoin.

Since people can use Bitcoin as a way to settle payments but centralisation is the one in control of it all, does this mean that decentralisation have failed in payment solution part?

Because even US is now making it seem like crypto acceptance is for only those in the US, if you are out of the US you are on your own, it is like your own country needs to accept Bitcoin as means of settlement for you to take advantage of that.

That's a big lie, because when it comes to Bitcoin investment, your country do not need to accept Bitcoin before you can be able to have access into investing in it, because most of the places where Bitcoin is been banned are on centralized exchanges like Coinbase, Binance, and Bitget. But when it comes to non custodial wallets where it gives you full control like Electrum, Blue wallets and Unstoppable wallet where you can invest and hold your Bitcoin, those apps can be accessible from most countries, or unless Google services is been banned in your country like North Korea or China. So in a nutshell, Bitcoin still remains the best means of payment for cross-border transaction without the need of third parties.

I don't think you get what the OP is trying to say, he is talking about using Bitcoin as a pay system because most of these pay system are actually regulated by the government since it's centralize but generally that doesn't stop the citizens to still use Bitcoin because it's decentralized in nature and their is no way a full regulation can affect its use for such purpose as there are lots of other decentralized that can be use to carry out same function as some of these ones that are regulated in the particular region.

[X-ray]

I have a question about Bitcoin.

Since people can use Bitcoin as a way to settle payments but centralisation is the one in control of it all, does this mean that decentralisation have failed in payment solution part?

Because even US is now making it seem like crypto acceptance is for only those in the US, if you are out of the US you are on your own, it is like your own country needs to accept Bitcoin as means of settlement for you to take advantage of that.

What are people calling it? Cross bordering payment? If feels more like centralised payment solution using bitcoin.

Excuse me? there are tons of places around the world that accept crypto especially bitcoin although this map don't have enough data to illustrate acceptance outside US but you can see that bitcoin is being accepted across the world

https://map.bitcoin.com/

People who are outside the US could always settle their payment in bitcoin if both party, the customer and the merchant agrees.

P2P payment is also a thing that didn't get talked about a lot. There are many bitcoin enthusiast that willing to receive your bitcoin in exchange for their service or stuff.

[Aanuoluwatofunmi]

Since people can use Bitcoin as a way to settle payments but centralisation is the one in control of it all, does this mean that decentralisation have failed in payment solution part?

It is not a must that you make use of a centralized exchange before you could perform your P2P, as a matter of fact, we are expected to engage on P2P through a decentralized platform whereby we have total freedom to the platform we are using and our asset as well, therefore exchanging one currency to another and how we can achieve maximum decentralization lies on our own hands because we determine how to go about it by ourselves.