Does bitcoin actually offer the freedom humanity strive ?

[Hamza2424]

- Whats freedom if holding could be freeze on centralized exchange and also be taxed as capital gain ?

Yep, you are right, bro. Freedom is more than just using it for remittances, and that is not even real freedom because you cannot use BTC everywhere as payment. You eventually have to convert it to fiat, so what good is it then?

But still, everyone loves it. You talked about using centralized platforms and paying taxes. Those are the choices people make because they are trading regularly and cannot use DEXs for that purpose or for other reasons. They agree to pay taxes, but if you do not want to, you do not have to. However, bro, please do not violate tax laws.

We have not adopted BTC the wrong way, bro. It is still decentralized by protocol, and we can use it anywhere in the world at any time. It just cannot replace fiat yet, and it has not been adopted on a mass level, so we are still dependent on fiat. There are not many ways for us to convert BTC to fiat in a decentralized or anonymous manner yet. Well, there are many platforms for this too, but they are not available to everyone.

[Franklyn-wood]

- All this are making me think bitcoin isn’t still treated as it’s supposed to be because if was treated the proper way, all this challenge would not even be there.
In my opinion freedom has more to do than just being able to send funds from cross countries without the involvement of any banking institution.
I’ll like to here others view about freedom and if truly bitcoin offer such.

If we look at the whitepaper, there is no way in it that discuss about freedom the humanity strive (whatever you are hinting).  It is about removing the intermediaries or third party institution in our transactions.  It is that, people who are so dedicated in promoting Bitcoin emphasis this so called freedom propaganda to propagate the use of Bitcoin, which is later accepted by many users of Bitcoin and is implanted to many new users.

If ever, these so called freedom is the result it is never been the written goal in the Bitcoin whitepaper.

It is nothing bad to build people confident on something good like Bitcoin, the most important thing is to let them know the area they are really can get this freedom in Bitcoin and when it is visible to the people, then there is no other convincing word you will use to let them believe all what they have heard is lie or not true. So even if it the aim or purpose of Bitcoin is not to bring financial freedom to people rather that to give people access to there funds any where, place and time. It's not like they are trying to lure people into investing in Bitcoin rather a motivational approach that helps to reframe ones mind.

[X-ray]

- Whats freedom if holding could be freeze on centralized exchange and also be taxed as capital gain ?

Yep, you are right, bro. Freedom is more than just using it for remittances, and that is not even real freedom because you cannot use BTC everywhere as payment. You eventually have to convert it to fiat, so what good is it then?

But still, everyone loves it. You talked about using centralized platforms and paying taxes. Those are the choices people make because they are trading regularly and cannot use DEXs for that purpose or for other reasons. They agree to pay taxes, but if you do not want to, you do not have to. However, bro, please do not violate tax laws.

We have not adopted BTC the wrong way, bro. It is still decentralized by protocol, and we can use it anywhere in the world at any time. It just cannot replace fiat yet, and it has not been adopted on a mass level, so we are still dependent on fiat. There are not many ways for us to convert BTC to fiat in a decentralized or anonymous manner yet. Well, there are many platforms for this too, but they are not available to everyone.

Major hurdle was government acceptance for it to be a legal tender, if government allow decentralized currency like bitcoin getting used freely for payment we would've been decades ahead in term of freedom and technology advancement.

Too many country want to save their "bad money" from getting replaced by bitcoin therefore they are halting integration of bitcoin into their system.

If bitcoin can be used freely for payment without legal repercussion and have clear tax framework to work with, we would've all used bitcoin bypassing conventional method.

[Outhue]

This thought has been on my mind for a while now, if the bitcoin is actually offering the freedom humanity strive! As that was the bases of creation of the bitcoin it self.
this has left a lot of questions on my mind which I’ll like to discuss on this thread.

- Have we adopted the wrong way of using bitcoin and shy away from the main idea of satoshi?

- Are we going about the use of bitcoin the way satoshi would have appreciate more if he were to be here with us?

- Is there any freedom as in the use of centralized  network when we can actually use a decentralized network?

- Whats freedom if holding could be freeze on centralized exchange and also be taxed as capital gain ?

- All this are making me think bitcoin isn’t still treated as it’s supposed to be because if was treated the proper way, all this challenge would not even be there.
In my opinion freedom has more to do than just being able to send funds from cross countries without the involvement of any banking institution.
I’ll like to here others view about freedom and if truly bitcoin offer such.

Shy away from the main idea of Satoshi? No, that's not the problem, People have already gotten used to centralised way, easy way of doing things because they don't want to take responsibility, unlike Bitcoin where all the power was given to users many don't like it this way, they keep their bitcoin in a custodial ways just like banks, which makes me believe that they prefer banking way of operating than decentralisation.

The freedom I seek for is not the same with what people wanted, they would rather be monitored, controlled and bow for leaders because billions of people have gotten used to this method of getting ruled over, which is why they can't use Bitcoin the normal way that it should be used, people are the ones that gave the government their powers to rule us over in crypto space honestly.

[jamesthomes]

Does Bitcoin Actually Offer the Freedom Humanity Strives For? — A Web3 Developer's Perspective
This is a genuinely important question — and one that sits at the heart of why Web3 development matters beyond Bitcoin itself.
Bitcoin's freedom is real, but it is conditional.

As a Web3 development company, we've worked closely with blockchain infrastructure for years, and the honest answer is: Bitcoin absolutely offers the freedom Satoshi envisioned — but only when used in its true form. The moment users move their assets onto centralized exchanges (CEXs), submit KYC documents, and hand custody to third parties, they voluntarily surrender that freedom. That is not a failure of Bitcoin. That is a user choice.

The Bitcoin protocol itself has never changed. Nodes remain decentralized. Transactions remain censorship-resistant. No single authority can freeze your wallet if you hold your own keys. The famous principle — "Not your keys, not your Bitcoin" — captures this perfectly.

Where the gap actually lies:

The confusion arises because many people experience Bitcoin through centralized layers — exchanges, custodial wallets, ETF products — rather than through the base protocol. These layers add convenience but strip away freedom. Taxes, freezes, and KYC requirements are features of those centralized layers, not of Bitcoin itself.
How Web3 bridges this gap:

This is precisely where broader Web3 development extends Satoshi's original vision. Technologies like:

Non-custodial wallets — true self-custody, no third party
Decentralized Exchanges (DEXs) — peer-to-peer trading without KYC
Smart contracts — automated, trustless financial agreements
DeFi platforms — lending, borrowing, earning yield without a bank
DAO governance — community-owned financial decisions

...all work together to build the financial freedom infrastructure that Bitcoin pioneered at the protocol level.
At Technoloader, we build exactly these kinds of decentralized systems — from DeFi platforms and dApps to smart contract ecosystems — because we believe the path to true financial freedom runs through decentralization at every layer, not just the blockchain itself.
Bitcoin gave humanity the seed of financial sovereignty. Web3 is building the ecosystem around it. The freedom is real — the question is whether users choose to claim it or voluntarily hand it back to centralized intermediaries.
The revolution Satoshi started is far from over. We are still in its early chapters.

[Iranus]

If bitcoin can be used freely for payment without legal repercussion and have clear tax framework to work with, we would've all used bitcoin bypassing conventional method.

The government is the obstacle preventing Bitcoin from being used as a currency. However, they are not the only obstacle, do not blame them entirely.

There is one more barrier, and I believe it is the biggest one: most of us do not want to use bitcoin for payments. Most people view it simply as an investment and use it to get rich quick. Not many people spend their bitcoin and consider it a waste. But they do not dare admit it and blame the government, the volatility of bitcoin...

[HONDACD125]

The government is the obstacle preventing Bitcoin from being used as a currency. However, they are not the only obstacle, do not blame them entirely.

There is one more barrier, and I believe it is the biggest one: most of us do not want to use bitcoin for payments. Most people view it simply as an investment and use it to get rich quick. Not many people spend their bitcoin and consider it a waste. But they do not dare admit it and blame the government, the volatility of bitcoin...

That's actually a harsh reality. People often say that the reason why Bitcoin is not becoming totally mainstream and is not widely used as a payment method is because it is not legally recognized everywhere, but that's only a part of the problem, while the biggest reason why people don't use Bitcoin for payments is because they are into it only for the profits. Someone who has 0.1 Bitcoin won't use it to buy something with the thought that if they hold it for even 1 month, its value might go higher because of the volatility of its price. It's a normal thing in the world we live in, people keep an hold on things that have high demand only so that they can sell them later at a higher price, especially if they know that the supply for that thing is limited.

So we shouldn't only put the blame on governments and the regulations for not allowing us to spend our bitcoins, because even if they allow it, most of us will still not be spending our bitcoins and will still be using either fiat or stable coins because we know they have a stagnant value and have no probability of gaining value over time.

Bitcoin has become an investment asset in today's world, and we should admit it.

[blockman]

- Whats freedom if holding could be freeze on centralized exchange

It will only be held if your bitcoins are deposited in centralized exchanges but that won't happen if you hold it on your wallet, as you hold the keys.

and also be taxed as capital gain ?

As an asset, there goes the authority that can apply their powers to put it for every sale that someone does. If the government's law enforcement is strict and everyone has to obey, they are only doing what they do with other asset class. What we do not like about it is that it is taxed. Whether we profit or get into loss, they do nothing and still taxing us for whatever we do once it is considered as a sale.

[peter0425]

- Have we adopted the wrong way of using bitcoin and shy away from the main idea of satoshi?

What's wrong while you did not say about what are wrong so people can discuss about it.

Generally with anything, there are people use it rightly and wrongly so it's not strange if they use bitcoin both wrongly and rightly but Bitcoin is just Bitcoin and it's not right or wrong.

One can say that the fact we can use bitcoin in however we want for many different purposes is the freedom itself. It is all up to our interpretation but the good thing is that the system is not meant to limit us into how bitcoin should be used

[Satofan44]

This thought has been on my mind for a while now, if the bitcoin is actually offering the freedom humanity strive! As that was the bases of creation of the bitcoin it self.
this has left a lot of questions on my mind which I’ll like to discuss on this thread.

- Have we adopted the wrong way of using bitcoin and shy away from the main idea of satoshi?

- Are we going about the use of bitcoin the way satoshi would have appreciate more if he were to be here with us?

- Is there any freedom as in the use of centralized  network when we can actually use a decentralized network?

- Whats freedom if holding could be freeze on centralized exchange and also be taxed as capital gain ?

- All this are making me think bitcoin isn’t still treated as it’s supposed to be because if was treated the proper way, all this challenge would not even be there.
In my opinion freedom has more to do than just being able to send funds from cross countries without the involvement of any banking institution.
I’ll like to here others view about freedom and if truly bitcoin offer such.

All of those questions are to be asked and answered on a personal basis, never on a general basis -- so you have already committed a mistake in the setup of this thread. Name me one fucking thing in the existence of the planet where the majority of people have adopted it the best way possible and the correct way possible. Find a single thing. It does not exist. Whether it is daily purchasing decisions, medium purchasing decisions, large purchasing decisions they tend to do it all wrong. How many people have I met in my life who buy a laptop based on how it looks like -- the exact opposite of what you should be doing, as a laptop does not provide aesthetics utility (unless you are a delusional idiot). How many people do actions wrong? Most drivers are terrible, most workers are terrible, and so on goes the list. So how exactly do you expect that in a world where most people do things the wrong way for them to adopt Bitcoin in the most perfect way possible? Therefore, any such expectation is an error on the side of one who expects it. It was always going to happen this way in the current world, not in any other way. Stop the ideological crap and focus on the reality:

1. Most people will adopt things this way and it is not avoidable.
2. What matters is how you are adopting and using it personally.
3. More people than ever have been red-pilled and are using Bitcoin in P2P ways.
4. Educating others on a personal and individual basis will create more red-pilled people, even if it will not always succeed with everyone.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

- All this are making me think bitcoin isn’t still treated as it’s supposed to be because if was treated the proper way, all this challenge would not even be there.
In my opinion freedom has more to do than just being able to send funds from cross countries without the involvement of any banking institution.
I’ll like to here others view about freedom and if truly bitcoin offer such.

The bitcoin of today has given us options, two options actually..
1. Choose to hold and transact in bitcoin in a decentralised manner
2. Choose to hold and transact in bitcoin in a centralised manner.

This are clearly the two options, in as much as we have given government the opportunity to break into the bitcoin community in the name of promoting adoption, bitcoin has not ceased to offer the freedom humanity needs and what which it's creator, in the person or group Satoshi Nakamoto promised.

What I personally see today is that power has been transfered to us individually to choose which way and how we want to use bitcoin..
You can choose to store your bitcoin in a centralised system where you have no control, some are even buying the ETF version of bitcoin and letting a centralised system manage their money.

But others can choose to buy and store their bitcoin in a decentralised manner where they are in total control of their fund, where their funds can't be blocked, frozen, tracked, limited, restricted, monitored and so on, it is our individual choice to make.

[Die_empty]

Well, said, tying to police people of certain way of using BTC and telling that Bitcoin offers freedom is itself voiding the freedom Bitcoin is offering.  Anyway, Satoshi is a visionay, with a single aim of removing third-party financial institutions in a transaction, have pave ways to a lot of things, especially the freedom from the chain of these intermediaries.

Thus, the aim is simple, but the outcome is so huge that it becomes revolutionary.

Satoshi's dream for Bitcoin is to eradicate middlemen and make financial transactions private. But, just like other currencies, people might want to use it for different things. Due to the high rate of inflation in my country, people were keeping the US dollars as an asset or hedge. People are taking advnatge of the revolutionary features of Bitcoin. We cannot stop them sinces it is their chioce. All we can do is to keep promoting Bitcoin awareness and teach people the decentralization and privacy features of Bitcoin. 

[Maslate]

Would it be a loss more of our freedom if we insist to use it as a medium of exchange when all we want to do is to invest and make future profits? So far, that is what majority want about bitcoin, that's why they took the risk to buy bitcoin not to save so they can spend in the future, but to hold for long term and make valuable profits when it is needed the most, or when retirement comes.

Bitcoin still offers us the freedom, but the way our freedom speaks is not the same with what Satoshi wants. He is more on financial freedom and get rid of third parties, but the financial freedom we want is to live our life the way we want without being constrained by financial limitations or panic.

[disbil]

Exactly, bitcoin actually offering the freedom humanity strive how many people easily make transaction trough bitcoin without depend on third party such as transaction using local currency. Adopting bitcoin for payment way make us get freedom and make transaction anytime without has limit time and limit amount for sending or receiving fund its difficult when transaction trough fiat payment way.
Beside how easily make transaction trough bitcoin I think most important benefic from bitcoin how transparent all payment transaction and easily tracking if any payment using for wrong way, you can't avoid any bad activities transaction when using bitcoin as payment way and its my opinion why bitcoin exactly offering the freedom for humanity if really adopting as payment way.

[ZAINmalik75]

- Have we adopted the wrong way of using bitcoin and shy away from the main idea of satoshi?

No, I am not shy to use Bitcoin, and I don't think the main idea has changed even a little bit yet, because it is still decentralized and we can use it of our own will anywhere in the world where we have internet access, though.
 

- Are we going about the use of bitcoin the way satoshi would have appreciate more if he were to be here with us?

In what way did he appreciate it more? As a currency, I guess, but I don't think he would be mad to see it achieving the status of being used as a long term investment where investors could convert their money into BTC so their money won't erode because of inflation over time. Due to its halving, fixed supply, and higher demand, the price will always be increasing, and we will be safe from inflation.

- Is there any freedom as in the use of centralized  network when we can actually use a decentralized network?

People have their own choices. We can't force them to use decentralized or centralized systems. There is always a good and bad side, and people are not being forced to choose the good one. It is their own choice to make.

- Whats freedom if holding could be freeze on centralized exchange and also be taxed as capital gain ?

That's a good question and I would love to hear an answer from you on this one 

[BlackHatCoiner]

What humanity needs is money that cannot be debased (i.e. be used as savings) and money that does not require a third party institution to work. Bitcoin does offer the freedom in those realms, but it does not magically fix every problem this world has. If the State imposes capital gains tax, this is not a problem that the technology of Bitcoin can solve. It is down to the individual to deal and figure out the most cost efficient manner to enjoy the fiat-denominated profit from bitcoin sales.

[Adams0001]

The main strength of Bitcoin is that it is permissionless, decentralized, and self-custody. That means we can control our assets without the permission of a bank, payment company, or third party. And we can also send them to someone else. If you think about it this way, Bitcoin certainly gives us a great deal of freedom.

But some people buy Bitcoin and don't use it the way it was originally intended. They store it on a centralized exchange, which means they're not actually holding the Bitcoin, but rather holding a claim to the exchange. That's a problem.

Sure, that is why make some people have interest with bitcoin, because they will have control over there coin without any other thing. Bitcoin as be benefiting many people and others that haven't benefite from it still struggling to look for money to invest in it. The way bank is operating and making people don't get there target when they safe money in bank many businesses people always complain when deposit in bank,  because of the banks tax, money for maintenance and you won't get to your target anymore. And start to find ways to raise another money to balance. But bitcoin will always give you peace and still give you profit if you invest and keep it for long. because bitcoin is not just for investment for transactions you can chose anyone you wish but many people need profit so they invest and wait for there target.

[Cookdata]

If bitcoin can be used freely for payment without legal repercussion and have clear tax framework to work with, we would've all used bitcoin bypassing conventional method.

The government is the obstacle preventing Bitcoin from being used as a currency. However, they are not the only obstacle, do not blame them entirely.

There is one more barrier, and I believe it is the biggest one: most of us do not want to use bitcoin for payments. Most people view it simply as an investment and use it to get rich quick. Not many people spend their bitcoin and consider it a waste. But they do not dare admit it and blame the government, the volatility of bitcoin...

I would like to rephrase this, the government aren't the one actually but the people. We have weak people that can't stand on their ground that's why the government think they can get away with everything they say and they feel once they say it's the final. Look very well, I don't think there is anyone that doesn't like Bitcoin, if there is any then they fear Bitcoin will take over their business. Most of these stock markets shareholders fear what Bitcoin will do if they let it to the society, they lose their fortune to what they don't control.

There will not be government without people and it's what people want the government will do, they can't otherwise but most people can't stand on what they believe and that behavior is why the government get away from what they want. I mean send 1 Bitcoin to the richest man in the wold and watch him hold it till eternity, however if you tell him to give opinion about Bitcoin, they will say things that are not good to the ears so they don't lose their relevance on what they have.

[Kelvinid]

What is actually we are striving here for? to follow what has been originally designed by Satoshi, or to follow what we see will greatly benefit us in the future? Because if you stick to what Satoshi wants, its hard to realize it globally since bitcoin is a conflict of interest of the government.

But if we prioritize bitcoin as an investment tool first where we can achieve financial freedom if we consistently invest on it, that would bring us so much profits in time and create life-changing outcome. However, bitcoin as a currency is already in execution these days, but only few are into it, majority are still using bitcoin for their investment purposes.

[Danica22]

- Whats freedom if holding could be freeze on centralized exchange and also be taxed as capital gain ?

Yep, you are right, bro. Freedom is more than just using it for remittances, and that is not even real freedom because you cannot use BTC everywhere as payment. You eventually have to convert it to fiat, so what good is it then?

But still, everyone loves it. You talked about using centralized platforms and paying taxes. Those are the choices people make because they are trading regularly and cannot use DEXs for that purpose or for other reasons. They agree to pay taxes, but if you do not want to, you do not have to. However, bro, please do not violate tax laws.

We have not adopted BTC the wrong way, bro. It is still decentralized by protocol, and we can use it anywhere in the world at any time. It just cannot replace fiat yet, and it has not been adopted on a mass level, so we are still dependent on fiat. There are not many ways for us to convert BTC to fiat in a decentralized or anonymous manner yet. Well, there are many platforms for this too, but they are not available to everyone.

Major hurdle was government acceptance for it to be a legal tender, if government allow decentralized currency like bitcoin getting used freely for payment we would've been decades ahead in term of freedom and technology advancement.

Too many country want to save their "bad money" from getting replaced by bitcoin therefore they are halting integration of bitcoin into their system.

If bitcoin can be used freely for payment without legal repercussion and have clear tax framework to work with, we would've all used bitcoin bypassing conventional method.

According to several surveys, although the Salvadoran government has officially recognized Bitcoin as a legal tender. Up to 95% of Salvadoran do not like using Bitcoin as a replacement for fiat currency in their daily transactions.

In this case, does the real obstacle lie with the government or ourselves? We should stop being selfish and only blaming the government when the core problem lies within ourselves. Most people do not actually want to use Bitcoin as a payment method as they claim.
They prefer to use Bitcoin as an asset, a store of value, rather than using it for its original purpose.