Does bitcoin actually offer the freedom humanity strive ?

[Supreme Donvic]

One thing you should understand is that people have different reason for going into bitcoin investment or for holding Bitcoin the reason you have for holding Bitcoin may not be the reason I have for holding Bitcoin and one of the reasons why satoshi created bitcoin was for total freedom financially and people are still enjoying the freedom till date using exchange to hold your Bitcoin or for bitcoin transaction is your choice nobody is forcing you to do that so I believe bitcoin is still offering the freedom it was created to offer, it now depends on the one using it, the person using the Bitcoin or holding the Bitcoin is the same person that will determine the level of security he wants.

[DiMarxist]

Bitcoin actually offer freedom and privacy as it give those who has been able to adopt Bitcoin the right to self custody. What you have to know is that the use of Bitcoin has moved beyond what the original creator intended it to be initially, Satoshi vision was for Bitcoin to operate as a decentralized coin which will give people the right to self custody. So whether people are trying to sell it and make money via the centralized exchanges it all depends on the individual but the idea about Bitcoin remains thesame. It's the use of Bitcoin that is looking as if people are trying to give away the freedom that Bitcoin deserves.

[Brizi5000]

Bitcoin actually offer freedom and privacy as it give those who has been able to adopt Bitcoin the right to self custody. What you have to know is that the use of Bitcoin has moved beyond what the original creator intended it to be initially, Satoshi vision was for Bitcoin to operate as a decentralized coin which will give people the right to self custody. So whether people are trying to sell it and make money via the centralized exchanges it all depends on the individual but the idea about Bitcoin remains thesame. It's the use of Bitcoin that is looking as if people are trying to give away the freedom that Bitcoin deserves.

thats right, which ever way people chooses to use their bitcoin still doesnt make bitcoin lose what it was originally made for which is to offer freedom and privacy while being able to control your income without any government or external interference. people over the years have also been able to discover other useful functions of bitcoin outside the core purpose for its creation and all we can now say is that which ever way its been used by folks it should always be for a good course that will portray a good image of bitcoin.

[Satofan44]

Satoshi's dream for Bitcoin is to eradicate middlemen and make financial transactions private. But, just like other currencies, people might want to use it for different things. Due to the high rate of inflation in my country, people were keeping the US dollars as an asset or hedge. People are taking advnatge of the revolutionary features of Bitcoin. We cannot stop them sinces it is their chioce. All we can do is to keep promoting Bitcoin awareness and teach people the decentralization and privacy features of Bitcoin. 

It is the people themselves that have introduced back the middlemen, therefore Bitcoin has nothing to do with this. You can find many examples even with this forum where people are bullshitting about P2P OTC transactions and their dangers and instead recommending centralized exchanges which are middlemen. Meanwhile people are moving boatloads of money via P2P, both in cash and via banks -- it is just that the inexperience of people who are addicted to centralized systems makes them blind to what is going on in the world. Bitcoin provides complete freedom, it always has -- and this includes the freedom to choose to use it like a retarded modern day slave. Many people choose to use it that way, including many senior members on this forum. 

According to several surveys, although the Salvadoran government has officially recognized Bitcoin as a legal tender. Up to 95% of Salvadoran do not like using Bitcoin as a replacement for fiat currency in their daily transactions.

In this case, does the real obstacle lie with the government or ourselves? We should stop being selfish and only blaming the government when the core problem lies within ourselves. Most people do not actually want to use Bitcoin as a payment method as they claim.
They prefer to use Bitcoin as an asset, a store of value, rather than using it for its original purpose.

That is an unique case off of which you can't make any conclusion, it would be quite incorrect to do so. In many or most cases the government is the first obstacle to using Bitcoin as money. Bitcoin not being recognized as an equivalent to the dollar is one of the main reasons, and the other is that you can't even use it in legal transactions for the purchase of some asset -- instead you have to sell it, pay taxes on that sale, and then use the fiat to buy something. Only in cases where that obstacle is removed, perhaps we could rightfully say only in El Salvadore so far, can we start talking about the people being the primary or main issue.

Nevertheless, most people are stupid and docile animals which are not interested in sovereignty and financial freedom. Where there is a demand, there is an easy way. When the demand is weak, the path is arduous.

[Sammye3]

Bitcoin provides investors ownership and that could anount for freedom as well, because being in control means having full access too. Bitcoin defeats evwey odds the local banks provides with full ownership over assets. Not being attached to any government policies and principles is something that makes bitcoin unique.

[Sonia_123]

When we are talking of freedom which bitcoin has met, we  mean financial freedom which Bitcoin has met because it was meant to have hedge control over financial inflation which it has done, how we adopt and manage the control depends on the individual, transactions of bitcoin from one place to another for either business purposes or otherwise and investing and holding for a long term depends on how we see and understand and achieve the purpose of bitcoin for ourselves, Bitcoin has remain in achieving it's purpose of creation.

[Iranus]

That's actually a harsh reality. People often say that the reason why Bitcoin is not becoming totally mainstream and is not widely used as a payment method is because it is not legally recognized everywhere, but that's only a part of the problem, while the biggest reason why people don't use Bitcoin for payments is because they are into it only for the profits. Someone who has 0.1 Bitcoin won't use it to buy something with the thought that if they hold it for even 1 month, its value might go higher because of the volatility of its price. It's a normal thing in the world we live in, people keep an hold on things that have high demand only so that they can sell them later at a higher price, especially if they know that the supply for that thing is limited.

So we shouldn't only put the blame on governments and the regulations for not allowing us to spend our bitcoins, because even if they allow it, most of us will still not be spending our bitcoins and will still be using either fiat or stable coins because we know they have a stagnant value and have no probability of gaining value over time.

Bitcoin has become an investment asset in today's world, and we should admit it.

Bitcoin is not yet widely recognized and used as a means of payment globally. However, in reality, quite a few businesses and stores, especially in the online payment sector have accepted Bitcoin as an alternative payment method. If we want to experience and pay with Bitcoin, I think it would not be too difficult.

But obviously, nobody want to do that because most of us agree that using a scarce and rapidly appreciating asset like bitcoin for spending is wasteful.

You are right, whether we admit it or not, bitcoin has become an investment these days.

[Bastketsrus]

If we look at the whitepaper, there is no way in it that discuss about freedom the humanity strive (whatever you are hinting).  It is about removing the intermediaries or third party institution in our transactions.  It is that, people who are so dedicated in promoting Bitcoin emphasis this so called freedom propaganda to propagate the use of Bitcoin, which is later accepted by many users of Bitcoin and is implanted to many new users.

If ever, these so called freedom is the result it is never been the written goal in the Bitcoin whitepaper.

Freedom as a word was never mentioned in the whitepaper directly but reading the whitepaper all indicates towards freedom. The words like permissionless, censorship resistance and all talks about decentralization all of them points to one thing which is freedom. So bitcoin was actually here for freedom, to actually liberate us from some centralized monetary system not to take over totally but to be an alternative.

On till today bitcoin has never change from this view, it depends on how you use bitcoin. Take for example it’s actually pseudonymous and at that you can decide to be anonymous or not, it’s not in place of bitcoin to dictate which one to be, same thing as using centralized exchanges or decentralized exchanges, bitcoin doesn’t enforces any thing.

It remains an alternative for anyone seeking freedom which isn’t offered in fiat currency

Yeah, even if the word “freedom” isn’t in the whitepaper, that’s what Bitcoin delivers in practice. It gives people more control, even in things like bitcoin betting.

[m2017]

- Have we adopted the wrong way of using bitcoin and shy away from the main idea of satoshi?

Look at the whitepaper and compare what's written there with how bitcoin is used today. There you have your answer.

- Are we going about the use of bitcoin the way satoshi would have appreciate more if he were to be here with us?

He is not with us (at least in the public sphere), so why these question?

- Is there any freedom as in the use of centralized  network when we can actually use a decentralized network?

You mean why we don't use freedom of choice?

- Whats freedom if holding could be freeze on centralized exchange and also be taxed as capital gain ?

Then use bitcoin "outside" the traditional financial system.

- All this are making me think bitcoin isn’t still treated as it’s supposed to be because if was treated the proper way, all this challenge would not even be there.

Oh, yes. Teach everyone how to use it correctly. Weren't you the ones asking questions about freedom?

[Satofan44]

Bitcoin provides investors ownership and that could anount for freedom as well, because being in control means having full access too. Bitcoin defeats evwey odds the local banks provides with full ownership over assets. Not being attached to any government policies and principles is something that makes bitcoin unique.

Most of the "investors" that you are referring to do not have "ownership" of their Bitcoin, they are using custodial solutions or own paper Bitcoin. The people who tend to have real Bitcoin and own them are in the minority. Therefore, do not make false claims. Bitcoin provides the ability to do self-ownership, it does not automatically do this for you. You have to choose it, most people don't choose it. Learn the difference, details matter.

Nevertheless, most people are stupid and docile animals which are not interested in sovereignty and financial freedom. Where there is a demand, there is an easy way. When the demand is weak, the path is arduous.

But obviously, nobody want to do that because most of us agree that using a scarce and rapidly appreciating asset like bitcoin for spending is wasteful.

You are right, whether we admit it or not, bitcoin has become an investment these days.

False. Stop generalizing onto others and spreading misinformation based on your wrong use of Bitcoin. There are plenty of people that use Bitcoin for spending transactions, both with and without repurchasing. There are even many places that are running Bitcoin circular economy concepts and where you can basically almost pay everything with real Bitcoin and not through intermediary concepts like crypto debit cards. Just because you are doing something one way and your friends are too, that does not mean that everyone else is.