The enshitification of online gambling

[Porfirii]

I'm not necessarily saying there's indeed an "enshitification" happening right now in the online gambling scene but, yeah, I can still remember when I joined the forum years ago, the main thing was dice. There was the great Primedice. There was Betdice, or was it Bitdice, or was it both? There was the long-running campaign of Windice by Yahoo. It probably was the golden era of dice. Indeed, these days, it seems it's slots that are becoming dominant in the crypto casino scene.

I agree, when I joined I remember that dice were preeminent not only in gambling platforms but even in certain cryptocurrency exchanges (some of them had a feature built in, to my misfortune ).

I think that nowadays, although there is a big focus on slots, there are many other games that are advertised with the same or almost the same intensity, and that there is a greater offer.

[leea-1334]

Agree. Agree. Agree.  But you know what also? The enshitification of online players.

I actually really loved early chatters on dice sites,,, so cool, so respectful, and sure you had some dumbasses begging but those got kicked out quickly. Now its all ugly everywhere you go,,, no decent chatters, many beggars, many people trying to get rain. And you see social media and this shit becomes even bigger with shitfluencers.

And on this forum gambling section? If you are not in a 'gated' paid pool thread,,, you are swallowing chatgpt shit

Lol, it's exactly what it is and what it's expected to be, nothing stays the same forever except things invented or made by God Himself, even there are so many things that was made by God that humans came around to change or improve or deprove (depending on what we individually like and don't like)

One thing you actually did not consider is the fact that during those days when it comes assumed everything was perfect in online gambling and so, there were not too many people into online form of gambling then, the few who were into it were sensible people and likely rich people because back then, it took being rich to have money to afford a personal computer or a smart phone with Internet access and to deposit into casinos to gambling which often resulted in large fees, so there was no way rich people could be betting for rains and so on..
But today, even some poorest of the poor have access to a smart phone atleast, and can afford daily data to access the Internet and beg through various means available for to them.

I am 50/50 with you. I agree early online gamblers were mainly from USA and Europe if we talk about before the new millennium and after it,,, but the period I was referring to with dice sites is 2013 to 2016,,, and I came active around 2017. Even if you did not have smartphones you could easily go online. Dice sites were super simple and you could play with faucet and with $1 you could buy a lot of satoshis and play for a long time.

Easy entrance unlike online casinos that need credit card and minimum deposit and high minimum bets. Compare this to 1 satoshi dice games!

So it was not just rich people,,, normal people like me And they were nice and sensible. But today my god,,, truly people are becoming shit, yelling and being rude and begging and shitposting.

[Somegory]

In other word, provably fair isn't really probably fair, because casinos gotta make money or go out of business, even games providers don't want to see that happen.

If casinos go out of business there is no more food for games providers, so they made the so called "provably fair" a bit better for the house and less better for gamblers.

This makes provably fair not entirely true, many people will definitely not agree with this but it's true, the most painful part is how easy it is to understand what I am saying here, it's common sense.

[Wakate]

In other word, provably fair isn't really probably fair, because casinos gotta make money or go out of business, even games providers don't want to see that happen.

Casinos are making money from different ways and there is no way we can know everything especially those ways casinos are enriching themselves. Gamblers must learn to gamble with what they know they can afford to lose while gambling.
It is better you gamble with small odds than to use big odds and not make any money.

[Loyang]

In other word, provably fair isn't really probably fair, because casinos gotta make money or go out of business, even games providers don't want to see that happen.

Casinos are making money from different ways and there is no way we can know everything especially those ways casinos are enriching themselves. Gamblers must learn to gamble with what they know they can afford to lose while gambling.
It is better you gamble with small odds than to use big odds and not make any money.

Yes, every person needs to gamble depending on their financial situation. Many people are unable to understand this and end up facing losses and big losses. Whenever a person gambles within their financial situation and can control themselves while gambling, even if they lose, they will not face big losses. For example, they will not face big problems like going bankrupt or getting into big debts.
Many people can create a budget for gambling according to their financial situation if they wish.

[Sandra_hakeem]

These changes may have come since the revolution of online casinos. And at that time, casino companies were also largely dependent on luck. Now there are many online casinos that cheat people. People are more attracted by these advertisements and hoping for big profits and suffer losses. And at the time you mentioned, people used to gamble offline. They enjoyed gambling more. Currently, most gamblers have moved online, but many are falling victim to scams there.

Put it this way-- the evolution of gambling has done more evil than good, but that's not going to stop anytime soon because the people have been attached more to online gambling than what was obtainable a decade ago. I don't even want to talk about the possibility of scams online, they have lost the hrill of the game.

This makes provably fair not entirely true, many people will definitely not agree with this but it's true, the most painful part is how easy it is to understand what I am saying here, it's common sense.

in that sense, people are paying more for less possible chances per game.

[Cryptomultiplier]

We are in the more regulated era where the government seeks to have control over gambling activities and businesses.
There's also more provable fair offers with thousands of 3rd party slots, thus making the once known standard of provable fairness become more difficult and complicated with smart contracts verification and probable fair 2.0.
It's best to say that the tech is being upgraded because of the greed for more money and more customers with funds to lose due to addiction.

[uneng]

What happens is that before (during the 10's peak) you have a more select niche of gamblers who knew what they were looking for. They knew what house edge was, they were outsiders looking for improvements beyond the traditional gambling scene, and crypto dice websites supplied their demand quite well with transparency and legitimacy.

Then, time went on, and the public has become more heterogeneous. Online gambling went mainstream and the masses adopted it ferociously. Once that happens, the demand of the public changed as that select niche of gamblers' taste wasn't important for the industry anymore, as it could profit much more with the masses, without offering any transparency on the process.

So, here we are today! Most people don't even know or care about what house edge is!

[Satofan44]

I hold the thesis that online gambling reached its peak in the 10s decade.

Perhaps not exactly in the specific years that you would choose, but that is correct.

Promotion of slots: casinos realized they can rake in millions by promoting the most addictive games. Nice animations but terrible RTP.

I thought you loved capitalism?

Step back from provable fairness: Many major casinos that used to host a plethora of provably fair games now feature thousands of games that aren't provably fair.

This is primarily the fault of the players themselves. nobody forces them to play these games, nobody forces them to play at casinos that implement these measures. Instead most players are greedy and half addicts, they justify their own mistakes with all sorts of nonsense. Instead if they behaved responsibility and rationality it would have not come to this. So instead of blaming the ones that make the supply, blame the ones that are creating the demand.

There's very little innovation nowdays. Interesting how crypto casinos have come to function without competition in terms of innovation even though they're holding competing products, supposedly.

Yeah, it is quite boring and predictable. Most of the key players right now are solely obsessed with making more money, that is the only thing that they care about. The real question is then, if this is the case why is there no new entrants to the market that come with competitive and innovative products? Entering this space does not have many restrictions and the cost to entry is also relatively low.

So, here we are today! Most people don't even know or care about what house edge is!

Most people are retards, whether one wants to accept this reality of the world or not. Wherever the majority comes, the thing is ruined. Nobody could name 1 thing that has become mainstream but has not been ruined.  

[JunaidAzizi]

In the name of innovation, they have just leveled up to its worst condition. In the 2010s, the players were happy with the houses, and they trusted them. At that time, the players were profitable, as the losing rate was very minimal. However, in the name of advancement and innovation, they changed the trend from players to the house, making it profitable in the end. The dealers are also earning from it, setting traps in every game for the players, and the result is that the players are losing more than they gain. You can check this by looking at the number of casinos now, hundreds of casinos have been built because the house wins in the end.

[xenomorfo]

We are in the more regulated era where the government seeks to have control over gambling activities and businesses.
There's also more provable fair offers with thousands of 3rd party slots, thus making the once known standard of provable fairness become more difficult and complicated with smart contracts verification and probable fair 2.0.
It's best to say that the tech is being upgraded because of the greed for more money and more customers with funds to lose due to addiction.

The government, or rather all governments, not only want to get involved in online gaming but at the moment in all aspects of life if they can.
I read an article in an Italian magazine about Palantir and it seems scandalous to me that no one says anything to these guys supported by the government.

[Ruttoshi]

Casinos are out for business which is the main reason why you see new casinos popping up daily to milk money out of people because they know that they ain't provably fair and the chance of them making profits is higher than the customers.

What do you expect in a business that is not monitored by the government as long as the casinos are paying their taxes and giving them extra money to put in their pockets, everything is fine.

[bitcoindusts]

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GAmbling platform or online casinos are businesses.  Obviously, host wanted to have the advantage so they implement these advantages on their games.  Sadly there are people who are bad players.  They will try to exploit any vulnerable  factors on their casino, like doing those things you had stated.  They know most people will not look into details so they do it secretly.

What do you expect in a business that is not monitored by the government as long as the casinos are paying their taxes and giving them extra money to put in their pockets, everything is fine.

Obviously those bad players will definitely take advantage of their unsuspecting players.

[Franklyn-wood]

These changes may have come since the revolution of online casinos. And at that time, casino companies were also largely dependent on luck. Now there are many online casinos that cheat people. People are more attracted by these advertisements and hoping for big profits and suffer losses. And at the time you mentioned, people used to gamble offline. They enjoyed gambling more. Currently, most gamblers have moved online, but many are falling victim to scams there.

Everything that has a positive side would have a negative side too. Offline  gambling has a lot of limitations which varies from having bro rent a shop at a very central position , to buy lots of computers and cables for data connections, to having a good power supply for power on the computer, to having printing and papers to print out results then connection to data and lots more.
Online casino do not need all the following outlisted things, because anyone can use his or her internet enabled phone to book save and analysis any game which is more reliable and faster than the off-line casino

[Julien_Olynpic]

Perhaps online gambling truly peaked in the 2010s, or perhaps it's simply our delusion—a temporary setback before the next round of development. But overall, if the house edge and the number of games without provably fairness are growing, it's most likely due to users being more or less indifferent to them. It's paradoxical, but true. If the house edge and provably fairness were important to users, they would choose companies that offer the best features in this regard. But that's not the case; users prioritize other things.

[fruktik]

Casinos are making money from different ways and there is no way we can know everything especially those ways casinos are enriching themselves. Gamblers must learn to gamble with what they know they can afford to lose while gambling.
It is better you gamble with small odds than to use big odds and not make any money.

How much are you willing to lose in one go without it affecting your financial situation? How often are you willing to lose? Once a month, several times, or more? I gamble once or twice a month. I can afford to lose $50 in total. It won't affect the family budget, but it's also not a very pleasant fact.

I used to have no limits. I was ready to spend my entire monthly salary on gambling in a couple of days. This recklessness led to my downfall.

[Free Market Capitalist]

Perhaps online gambling truly peaked in the 2010s, or perhaps it's simply our delusion—a temporary setback before the next round of development.

From my experience I'd say fiat online gambling peaked around 2010, when online crypto gambling started to boom, and although both saw a spike during the COVID-19 pandemic, things started to decline from there. An increase in the house edge is something that already happened with fiat online casinos. When they operate in the dark, they can offer more to customers, but as soon as they have to comply with regulations and pay taxes, they pass those costs on to the customer—resulting in lower RTP, fewer promotions, and so on.

[impulse709]

It seems to me that even now gambling is not so bad in terms of casino honesty, because there are many huge platforms such as Stake, for example. And they are absolutely open and act honestly, because they are very large-scale, and therefore, if I had a lot of money that I would like to spin in a casino, then I would go there. And I would be absolutely sure that I would not be deceived if I won huge amounts of money. This is not a small casino that can get bored, it is a large project, and there are many of them on our forum. For example, Rainbet and the like also deserve complete trust.

I partly agree that big gambling sites typically have a better interest in their reputation because they are bigger and don't want to cheat their players publicly. Trust is critical to the survival of casinos such as  or  that are well developed, have large communities, sponsorships and have become public. But the enshitification issue remains a reality in online gambling. In some cases. even the most reliable casino sites lower rewards impose harsher wagering requirements. Restrict successful players. Or gradually increase the difficulty over time. Players should have a degree of caution with any casino. Even large platforms. As they don't assume any casino is on their side. Read the terms and make sure they stick to it.

[sompitonov]

I partly agree that big gambling sites typically have a better interest in their reputation because they are bigger and don't want to cheat their players publicly. Trust is critical to the survival of casinos such as  or  that are well developed, have large communities, sponsorships and have become public. But the enshitification issue remains a reality in online gambling. In some cases. even the most reliable casino sites lower rewards impose harsher wagering requirements. Restrict successful players. Or gradually increase the difficulty over time. Players should have a degree of caution with any casino. Even large platforms. As they don't assume any casino is on their side. Read the terms and make sure they stick to it.

The main thing is that casinos don't change the terms and conditions during play, because I think some unscrupulous gambling platforms do things differently, but it's worth noting that they damage their reputation by doing so. This, in turn, spreads among other players who share information publicly on the forum. However, I think unscrupulous casinos will still look for reasons to deceive players and even close their casinos only to open a new one under a new name, and no one will know it was a fraudulent casino in the past. So, you have to take things one way or another.

[Lida93]

These changes may have come since the revolution of online casinos. And at that time, casino companies were also largely dependent on luck. Now there are many online casinos that cheat people. People are more attracted by these advertisements and hoping for big profits and suffer losses. And at the time you mentioned, people used to gamble offline. They enjoyed gambling more. Currently, most gamblers have moved online, but many are falling victim to scams there.

Innovation shouldn't warrant any form of technical cheat on the gamblers but it's quite unfortunate that these casinos just don't want to see the gambler stay ahead of them in terms of profit making. And I know for sure that there are gamblers who don't have an idea or doesn't care to go looking in details about all the house edge and probably fairness of games they play. They just interested in the attraction of the gaming and just think that they don't always have luck that's why they hardly could find a win in one piece from certain games they playing.