Negative trust from holydarkness – time to address the real problem: [holy POV]

[nutildah]

go to my thread. If you don't like and answer or want to twist things, you delete my replies.

Right well speaking of that, you just locked your thread before I could make this post; glad to see Holy had this thread going already.


Hey @everybody else reading this thread (I know "@everybody isn't a thing"): is there anyone left on the fence anymore about this issue? I'm genuinely curious. Don't worry, I won't tag you for sharing your opinion, if you care enough to have one.

@nutildah, what information was I shown? You continue to post fake news.

Long story short: you wrongly attributed a quote made by God of Thunder to Holydarkness.

Nutilda, just stop. That’s not the quote and you know it. I’ll get quotes when I get home on PC.  You do this all the time. You do a little research, become a know it all, then post something wrong.

holydarkness has repeatedly taken the opposite position, saying the book is within its rights to void the winnings and only return the deposit. His exact words in the XYes thread (June 27, 2025):
“LOL. The casino is within its rights. They did not scam anyone. ... They voided the winnings and returned the deposit. It could be considered a scam if they had confiscated the deposit as well. ... If they do not pay, no one can do anything because they are within their rights.”

LOL.
The casino is within its rights. They did not scam anyone. You guys were flagged by Betby, and the casino had to take action. They voided the winnings and returned the deposit. It could be considered a scam if they had confiscated the deposit as well. So, where did the scam happen? Their TOS already covered that they do not allow arbitrage betting. They are now paying as a gesture of goodwill and nothing else. If they do not pay, no one can do anything because they are within their rights.

Holy pointed out that the quote was misattributed, then I pointed it out twice, and you dug your heels in "no no no Fake News". The world doesn't have time for this bro.

[holydarkness]

You locked the thread, I'm glad I have the twin-thread that's self moderated and fully under my control and doesn't censor by locking, only removing an OOT and derailing post after immortalizing them in screenshot.

No one agreed with you. There was no proof. The accusation was match fixing.

 You did the same with BetPanda when they paid you through the sig campaign. This time $30,000 was on the line. There was no question what would happen.

 Don't ask questions, show me what I did wrong other than exposing your every scam where you rule for the book.

You are crooked. I'd never make a bet with you.

That's why I make the new and crystal clear agreement with you, even a thread that'll discuss all of our disputes transparently and mannerly, so we can bury them all for good. Yet you're hiding here where you can post deflection and distracting discussion without a force that will make only able to answer short and to the point [the self-moderated thread].

Speaks volume of your character and manhood and dignity.

I'll go to sleep, I do hope I'll get that answer sitting on the twin sister of this thread, the "holydarkness POV" by  morning or anytime I logged back in the next day, or I'll take that as your definitive answer that you don't wan't any resolution despite the title, that it was misleading and the only you're trying to get is not clarification, it's audience and peers and to gather mob for your well-known "peer pressure" technique.

I promised to a very dear someone that I will not raise the flag unless the push no longer a shove but a brutal ramming ]of which you did right now, though the battling ram is very soft] and things goes futher south. So, I will have to say that I am convinced beyond doubt and consider to call the casual flag we entered, and since you've gave your casual affirmation, you're bound by it, so you better get that 1.5 mil ready.

Good night and think very very thoroughly.

[Rating Place]

go to my thread. If you don't like and answer or want to twist things, you delete my replies.

Right well speaking of that, you just locked your thread before I could make this post; glad to see Holy had this thread going already.


Hey @everybody else reading this thread (I know "@everybody isn't a thing"): is there anyone left on the fence anymore about this issue? I'm genuinely curious. Don't worry, I won't tag you for sharing your opinion, if you care enough to have one.

@nutildah, what information was I shown? You continue to post fake news.

Long story short: you wrongly attributed a quote made by God of Thunder to Holydarkness.

Nutilda, just stop. That’s not the quote and you know it. I’ll get quotes when I get home on PC.  You do this all the time. You do a little research, become a know it all, then post something wrong.

holydarkness has repeatedly taken the opposite position, saying the book is within its rights to void the winnings and only return the deposit. His exact words in the XYes thread (June 27, 2025):
“LOL. The casino is within its rights. They did not scam anyone. ... They voided the winnings and returned the deposit. It could be considered a scam if they had confiscated the deposit as well. ... If they do not pay, no one can do anything because they are within their rights.”

LOL.
The casino is within its rights. They did not scam anyone. You guys were flagged by Betby, and the casino had to take action. They voided the winnings and returned the deposit. It could be considered a scam if they had confiscated the deposit as well. So, where did the scam happen? Their TOS already covered that they do not allow arbitrage betting. They are now paying as a gesture of goodwill and nothing else. If they do not pay, no one can do anything because they are within their rights.

Holy pointed out that the quote was misattributed, then I pointed it out twice, and you dug your heels in "no no no Fake News". The world doesn't have time for this bro.

nutildah, you're just a big liar.

You mixed up the XYes cases and were posting God of Thunders quotes. I was making a statement about the other case. I told you that I wasn't at home and would post the quotes later. I found holy's quotes when I got home. Then you post false neutral trust. I'm done reading. You're like the first version of AI that was tossed because the research was always wrong.

With above, unfortunately, like it or not, we have to consider OP as breaching the terms he agreed upon sign up. Thus, the casino is within their right to confiscate the rest of the fund.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5545943.75%3Bwap

earlier I said

Nutilda, just stop. That’s not the quote and you know it. I’ll get quotes when I get home on PC.  You do this all the time. You do a little research, become a know it all, then post something wrong.

[nutildah]

There aren't enough facepalm emojis or gifs in the world to adequately respond to this.

You misattributed a quote, did so for quite a while, were corrected, and refuse to accept that you were wrong. That's far worse for you than just being wrong, I don't understand how you don't see that.

Most people who are as slippery as you aren't also as confused and impolite as you. Its not really working bro. Whatever "battle of optics" you think you're winning, you're not.

[Rating Place]

There aren't enough facepalm emojis or gifs in the world to adequately respond to this.

You misattributed a quote, did so for quite a while, were corrected, and refuse to accept that you were wrong. That's far worse for you than just being wrong, I don't understand how you don't see that.

Most people who are as slippery as you aren't also as confused and impolite as you. Its not really working bro. Whatever "battle of optics" you think you're winning, you're not.

You mixed up the cases. You have a learning deficiency. You kept posting God of Thunder's quotes from the other thread.

[nutildah]

You mixed up the cases. You have a learning deficiency. You kept posting God of Thunder's quotes from the other thread.

You are really taking this "accuse the other of that you are guilty" thing to a whole next level.

I posted 1 quote by that person, and I posted it because it contained the exact words you said Holydarkness had written, to demonstrate that you had indeed misattributed the quote to Holydarkness.

Your ego won't let you admit you were wrong. This is a dangerous mindset when money is involved.

Go ahead and say I'm wrong again, surely that will improve your situation. I'll let you have the last word.

[Rating Place]

You mixed up the cases. You have a learning deficiency. You kept posting God of Thunder's quotes from the other thread.

You are really taking this "accuse the other of that you are guilty" thing to a whole next level.

I posted 1 quote by that person, and I posted it because it contained the exact words you said Holydarkness had written, to demonstrate that you had indeed misattributed the quote to Holydarkness.

Your ego won't let you admit you were wrong. This is a dangerous mindset when money is involved.

Go ahead and say "I'm wrong" again, surely that will improve your situation. I'll let you have the last word.

You are just lying. I said that I wasn't home and would get exact quotes later. I didn't look anything up at the time. I posted at a stop light in my car. You mixed up the cases. I kept my word and got exact quotes when I got home.

[nutildah]

I should have known your "last word" would be to tell new lies. This is truly the last thing I have to say to you.

You keep accusing me of lying instead of admitting you were wrong, and your harassment of Holydarkness in Scam Accusations is relentless. I am making this post to properly reference my negative trust on you.

You are just lying. I said that I wasn't home and would get exact quotes later. I didn't look anything up at the time. I posted at a stop light in my car. You mixed up the cases. I kept my word and got exact quotes when I got home.

For the record, this is what you said:

holydarkness has repeatedly taken the opposite position, saying the book is within its rights to void the winnings and only return the deposit. His exact words in the XYes thread (June 27, 2025):
“LOL. The casino is within its rights. They did not scam anyone. ... They voided the winnings and returned the deposit. It could be considered a scam if they had confiscated the deposit as well. ... If they do not pay, no one can do anything because they are within their rights.”

This is your post. You are paraphrasing a quote by who you believe to be Holydarkness. But HD is not the author of the quote, God of Thunder is:

LOL.
The casino is within its rights. They did not scam anyone. You guys were flagged by Betby, and the casino had to take action. They voided the winnings and returned the deposit. It could be considered a scam if they had confiscated the deposit as well. So, where did the scam happen? Their TOS already covered that they do not allow arbitrage betting. They are now paying as a gesture of goodwill and nothing else. If they do not pay, no one can do anything because they are within their rights.

You were wrong.

You and only you mixed up anything here. You're wasting everybody's time and your presence on the forum is a net negative.

[Rating Place]

I should have known your "last word" would be to tell new lies. This is truly the last thing I have to say to you.

You keep accusing me of lying instead of admitting you were wrong, and your harassment of Holydarkness in Scam Accusations is relentless. I am making this post to properly reference my negative trust on you.

You are just lying. I said that I wasn't home and would get exact quotes later. I didn't look anything up at the time. I posted at a stop light in my car. You mixed up the cases. I kept my word and got exact quotes when I got home.

For the record, this is what you said:

holydarkness has repeatedly taken the opposite position, saying the book is within its rights to void the winnings and only return the deposit. His exact words in the XYes thread (June 27, 2025):
“LOL. The casino is within its rights. They did not scam anyone. ... They voided the winnings and returned the deposit. It could be considered a scam if they had confiscated the deposit as well. ... If they do not pay, no one can do anything because they are within their rights.”

This is your post. You are paraphrasing a quote by who you believe to be Holydarkness. But HD is not the author of the quote, God of Thunder is:

LOL.
The casino is within its rights. They did not scam anyone. You guys were flagged by Betby, and the casino had to take action. They voided the winnings and returned the deposit. It could be considered a scam if they had confiscated the deposit as well. So, where did the scam happen? Their TOS already covered that they do not allow arbitrage betting. They are now paying as a gesture of goodwill and nothing else. If they do not pay, no one can do anything because they are within their rights.

You were wrong.

You and only you mixed up anything here. You're wasting everybody's time and your presence on the forum is a net negative.

lol. I say I’m not home and will go post exact qoutes when I get home so that I can look at my PC. When I get home I post exact quotes. You mixed up threads, no big deal. You do it a lot.

Do you see quotes about something that I said wrong? No idea why you went to the wrong thread.

In your life, that’s important. I’m interested in the player losing $30k because of holy.

[holydarkness]

lol. I say I’m not home and will go post exact qoutes when I get home so that I can look at my PC. When I get home I post exact quotes. You mixed up threads, no big deal. You do it a lot.

Do you see quotes about something that I said wrong? No idea why you went to the wrong thread.

In your life, that’s important. I’m interested in the player losing $30k because of holy.

Have you managed to be home and get to that PC of yours? If I recall correctly, there are also other instances that you promised us that you'll post something and exact something when you got to your PC, and it never came.

Also, have you got your answer of yes or no, regarding our discussion of your knowledge of how casino and provider dynamic is? About the flag? Because this thread is made for that very purpose its twin sister failed to do: to address the real problem. So, a yes, or a no? I don't think it can be more darely explained and straigthened now, than later, as you've made a public accusation [though it's one amongst many] that a player is suffering financial damage due to me.

[Stalker22]

lol. I say I’m not home and will go post exact qoutes when I get home so that I can look at my PC. When I get home I post exact quotes. You mixed up threads, no big deal. You do it a lot.

Do you see quotes about something that I said wrong? No idea why you went to the wrong thread.

In your life, that’s important. I’m interested in the player losing $30k because of holy.

Stop deflecting.  Nutildah showed clear proof that you lied and made up quotes for holydarkness.  You got caught but you refuse to fix it or say sorry.  Instead, you are still trying to smear a respectable member calling him a liar to hide your own mess.  Your behavior is pathetic and speaks volumes about your lack of character.  You have earned a "distrusted" tag on your profile because quite frankly, nobody can trust a word you say.


holydarkness, I know this is a bit off-topic here, but it needed to be said.  Just using this post as a reference for the tag.

[holydarkness]

Ok, here we go.

So, actually Rating Place was right, in a way, I did changed the original agreement, because the original one was for me to simply show to a DT that a case was indeed made under the basis of provider's flag. But that's fine, using the original deals that he got so scared of would be like robbing a balloon from a baby. So, we entered a far more serious situation,

this is where Rating Place initially accept my call-out [of the new agreement]:

what are we betting? Do it in one sentence. All 5 of your contacts were wrong last time. The book is not the middleman. The flag travels, nothing else. One book may have a $5 limit on a player, the second Betby book $100 and NL at the third Betby book. It's an individual risk tolerance set by the sportsbook. This is the problem. You rule for the sportsbooks because of the misinformation they pass to you.

This is the contract:

Now now, boy, don't try to twist words again, it's a simple statement, you asked for one sentence, and I give you exactly one. Knows that --I believe most agreed-- you've entered a written agreement with me, following above reply.

The situation is simple: you accuse me of being clueless about how sportsbook and provider works. You brag about forcing sportsbook to pay both on-screen on your thread, or off-screen from PM and other methods. I raise a flag against you as you poses a risk of financial lost to members of our forum [the sportsbook] due to your confidence of your knowledge.

So I'll make it even more simple, since you're repetitively focusing on Xyes and BetPanda on this thread. This is the written agreement we've both entered as per your above reply:

"You, Rating Place, will escrow 1,560,000 USD, that will rightfully released and become holydarkness's upon holydarkness's capability to show proof that providers like betby do has direct influence and dictate outcomes on matches via flags because sportsbook like BetPanda or XYes follows their risk assessment."

No need to drag it. Simple "yes" or "no" will put us into binding agreement where you'll escrow the fund and I'll proceed by flooding this thread with abundant supporting evidence.

With back-and-forth smoke-and-mirror deflection-and-evasion in between, [deliberately taking screenshot to show the post number and flow of conversation] we go into this casual agreement at the very least:



Or a written contract if we follow many english dictionaries' definition of the word.



The agreement has been made, regardless that he tried to sneak away from it, and I have been waiting for Rating Place to escrow the fund so I can proceed with my own end of the deal. As it seemed he won't initiate, I'll be the one taking the first step.


Rating Place insist that in casino [sportsbook platform], a flag from a provider [sportsbook provider] is just a warning flag, that casino can just ignore, that ignoring will not come with some kind of retribution, because it is just a flag, and that the decision to pay or not is solely at Casinos' hand as the fund goes directly into their pocket.

Rating Place, this is Turn-Key Sportsbetting, Turnkey, this is  the guy I talked to you so often, who insist you don't exist and you don't bind casino and provider in unique dynamic:



I will add other description from my phone, [yes, I do deliberately browse with my phone to exaggerately show how easily retrievable that info is, if only one want to learn], complete with in-depth risk etc. but I'll pour it in the next post as this one already become a wall of text/image.

Point is: I've done my end of the deal, now Rating Place, I call you to honor our written agreement. Please contact me within 24 hours to get the address for the agreed amount or I will have to resort to flag of breach of written [or casual at the very least] agreement.

[holydarkness]

[Rating Place]

1. holy, in all of that, show me where I agreed to the bet.

2. If the flag went up in the 3rd quarter, which it may have, does that flag mean the player is guilty of match fixing, or does human investigation occur later.

3. When I said I took the bait "again". That means once again I fell into your trap where you bait me into long arguments.

@stalker22 show me one time I made a fake quote.

[Stalker22]

@stalker22 show me one time I made a fake quote.

I do not want to keep derailing this thread with off-topic replies, so I will just point you to the post from nutildah about it:

For the record, this is what you said:

holydarkness has repeatedly taken the opposite position, saying the book is within its rights to void the winnings and only return the deposit. His exact words in the XYes thread (June 27, 2025):
“LOL. The casino is within its rights. They did not scam anyone. ... They voided the winnings and returned the deposit. It could be considered a scam if they had confiscated the deposit as well. ... If they do not pay, no one can do anything because they are within their rights.”

This is your post. You are paraphrasing a quote by who you believe to be Holydarkness. But HD is not the author of the quote, God of Thunder is:

LOL.
The casino is within its rights. They did not scam anyone. You guys were flagged by Betby, and the casino had to take action. They voided the winnings and returned the deposit. It could be considered a scam if they had confiscated the deposit as well. So, where did the scam happen? Their TOS already covered that they do not allow arbitrage betting. They are now paying as a gesture of goodwill and nothing else. If they do not pay, no one can do anything because they are within their rights.

You were wrong.
~

[Rating Place]

@stalker22 show me one time I made a fake quote.

I do not want to keep derailing this thread with off-topic replies, so I will just point you to the post from nutildah about it:

For the record, this is what you said:

holydarkness has repeatedly taken the opposite position, saying the book is within its rights to void the winnings and only return the deposit. His exact words in the XYes thread (June 27, 2025):
“LOL. The casino is within its rights. They did not scam anyone. ... They voided the winnings and returned the deposit. It could be considered a scam if they had confiscated the deposit as well. ... If they do not pay, no one can do anything because they are within their rights.”

This is your post. You are paraphrasing a quote by who you believe to be Holydarkness. But HD is not the author of the quote, God of Thunder is:

LOL.
The casino is within its rights. They did not scam anyone. You guys were flagged by Betby, and the casino had to take action. They voided the winnings and returned the deposit. It could be considered a scam if they had confiscated the deposit as well. So, where did the scam happen? Their TOS already covered that they do not allow arbitrage betting. They are now paying as a gesture of goodwill and nothing else. If they do not pay, no one can do anything because they are within their rights.

You were wrong.
~

you are confusing things. Nutildah made a quote from God of Thunder. I made a post. I said that I would post exact quote from holydarkness when I got home. When I got home, I posted quote.

In summary, Nutildah took God of Thunders posts from the wrong thread and said I did something wrong.

Show us my quote, not that of God of Thunder or Nutildah. And get it from the proper case.

Here's my quote

holydarkness has repeatedly taken the opposite position, saying the book is within its rights to void the winnings and only return the deposit. His exact words in the XYes thread (June 27, 2025):
“LOL. The casino is within its rights. They did not scam anyone. ... They voided the winnings and returned the deposit. It could be considered a scam if they had confiscated the deposit as well. ... If they do not pay, no one can do anything because they are within their rights.”

It has nothing to do with God of Thunder

[Stalker22]

you are confusing things.

No, I do not think so.  I checked everything carefully before deciding to react.

Here's my quote

holydarkness has repeatedly taken the opposite position, saying the book is within its rights to void the winnings and only return the deposit. His exact words in the XYes thread (June 27, 2025):
“LOL. The casino is within its rights. They did not scam anyone. ... They voided the winnings and returned the deposit. It could be considered a scam if they had confiscated the deposit as well. ... If they do not pay, no one can do anything because they are within their rights.”

Doh!  And that is exactly the part you keep lying about.  Holydarkness never said those words, or at least not the way you quoted them. (When you say "his exact words," you are claiming to provide a literal, word-for-word account of what someone said, which is precisely what a quote is.)  God Of Thunder did.  Stop trying to twist the facts.

[Rating Place]

you are confusing things.

No, I do not think so.  I checked everything carefully before deciding to react.

Here's my quote

holydarkness has repeatedly taken the opposite position, saying the book is within its rights to void the winnings and only return the deposit. His exact words in the XYes thread (June 27, 2025):
“LOL. The casino is within its rights. They did not scam anyone. ... They voided the winnings and returned the deposit. It could be considered a scam if they had confiscated the deposit as well. ... If they do not pay, no one can do anything because they are within their rights.”

Doh!  And that is exactly the part you keep lying about.  Holydarkness never said those words, or at least not the way you quoted them. (When you say "his exact words," you are claiming to provide a literal, word-for-word account of what someone said, which is precisely what a quote is.)  God Of Thunder did.  Stop trying to twist the facts.

unbelievable. Holydarkness said that. I'll get link. Nutildah said it was word for word.

edit- I apologize for the mixup. I did misquote the wrong person. But I'll get the quotes from holydarkness saying the same. It was a mistake on my part. Obviously I'm not posting something that can be easily checked.

holydarkness

Regarding OP's arbitrage betting activity, I can't say much [as I am bound by for-my-eyes-only basis] other than that I've given a glimpse of what led them to struck the gavel and draw a verdict of arbing. Regarding arbing is a smart strategy or prohibited, I won't dive deep into that discussion right now, because specifically for this case, smart or not, they're irrelevant because they're simply prohibited, as per their ToS that I've captured and sitting in my gallery since few days ago:With above, unfortunately, like it or not, we have to consider OP as breaching the terms he agreed upon sign up. Thus, the casino is within their right to confiscate the rest of the fund.

Nutildah - I apologize for my false allegation of calling you a liar.

[nutildah]

@stalker22 show me one time I made a fake quote.

I do not want to keep derailing this thread with off-topic replies

You don't have to worry about it as its not off-topic. Now you're understanding why it is so incredibly difficult to work with this person, especially when it comes to complicated matters involving money. They do this kind of thing in almost every Scam Accusations situation they involve themselves in. Their hard headedness makes it impossible to take them seriously and following their advice could be costly.

[Rating Place]

@stalker22 show me one time I made a fake quote.

I do not want to keep derailing this thread with off-topic replies

You don't have to worry about it as its not off-topic. Now you're understanding why it is so incredibly difficult to work with this person, especially when it comes to complicated matters involving money. They do this kind of thing in almost every Scam Accusations situation they involve themselves in. Their hard headedness makes it impossible to take them seriously and following their advice could be costly.

this part isn’t correct. I only go to
Sportsbooks cases where holy is siding with the sportsbook. I normally wait weeks before jumping in to see how the case is going. The current one is the $30k fix.

Holy said that two people were playing from the same account. It was impossible because bets were from the same device.

I’m always on the players side when they are right and jump in when it seems holy
Is leaning book.