True Bitcoiners love red

[SilverCryptoBullet]

That’s right. Bitcoin investors and “bitcoiners” are two different things. Investors are those who are very happy when the market experiences a downturn and is completely bearish, because that situation works to their advantage.
As for defining a true “bitcoiner,” they are those who care about Bitcoin no matter what happens. The stronger the market grows, the happier they are, and they remain committed even when the market is in a bloodbath.

Here, I simply think it’s wise to leave it up to each individual. As for us, we’ve already decided which side we’re on right now.

Investors are bitcoiners and bitcoiners are investors. Let's say Investors and Bitcoiners simple like that.

You can use bitcoin while you are not actual bitcoiners, because you only want to use bitcoins as means of transactions, business deals while you don't believe in its technology and future. Bitcoiners are people who have strong faith in Bitcoin, and they're investors too, while surely bitcoiners must use bitcoins for something. Investors are truly and clearly bitcoiners as they understand about Bitcoin, believe in it very strongly and actually had experience in using bitcoins.

[DiMarxist]

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So I think we need to know the difference between these two things. The current market, if you ask me, is full of investors who barely care about Bitcoin in general. They don't love Bitcoin because it is decentralized or it allows them to become their own banks without having to allow a third-party to manage their funds, but they love it because it grows in value as an asset, just like how people love gold as an investment asset because it grows in value over time.

That’s right. Bitcoin investors and “bitcoiners” are two different things. Investors are those who are very happy when the market experiences a downturn and is completely bearish, because that situation works to their advantage.
As for defining a true “bitcoiner,” they are those who care about Bitcoin no matter what happens. The stronger the market grows, the happier they are, and they remain committed even when the market is in a bloodbath.

Here, I simply think it’s wise to leave it up to each individual. As for us, we’ve already decided which side we’re on right now.

To put it simply Bitcoiner's are those who are committed and believe in Bitcoin. No matter the market or situation that Bitcoin may find itself, we should note that there are actually investors who also invest in Bitcoin but , is not actually committed and even don't believe in Bitcoin. But due to the financial gains that they they gets from Bitcoin, they do it for the purpose of money. But if there is a change in the market these set of people panic and possibly exit the market.

[Odohu]

Investors who have not met their Bitcoin accumulation target will definitely excited when the  market is declining because that afford them th opportunity get more Bitcoin cheaper. For instance, an investor that have a budget of $10K will get more bitcoin during bear market than someone who invested during bear market. On the hand, someone who have met his objectives may not love red, they want the price to continue in one direction because that will give hem more profits.

[yudi09]

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Investors are bitcoiners and bitcoiners are investors. Let's say Investors and Bitcoiners simple like that.

No. No. This is unacceptable. At least not for me, and those who don't agree with such a statement easily.

What are you saying, man? Please double-check and ask if it's justified.
If you frequently use AI, engage in discussions with it occasionally and ask if it's the same.
Human-made technology can also make the difference between whether a Bitcoin investor is a Bitcoiner. I'm sure the machine will tell you which Bitcoin investors are genuinely interested or simply seeking financial gain.

[Myleschetty]

One clear thing that separates real Bitcoiners from short-term speculators is that real Bitcoiners enjoy situations where they can accumulate BTC cheaper – a bear market.

No, they take advantage of every opportunity to accumulate Bitcoin through DCA, and they don't have to do so when the market is plummeting because the accumulation purpose is for long term not short term gains. The market dump season is primarily used by speculators as a main time for accumulation.

If you truly believe in Bitcoin based on its fundamentals, then a cheaper price (ceteris paribus - if its fundamentals have not changed) is a pure blessing for you, even if you are already heavily invested in BTC, because a bear market increases your BTC purchasing power.

People may believe in something, but never have enough trust in it, when it comes to investing in it. There are a lot of institutional investors who believe in the Bitcoin concept but never have the trust to invest in it. Yes, the dump market is a blessing, so is buying BTC when the market is not dumping because we're still early, than over billions of people in the world currently not into BTC.

[Tiaramane]

The dip is an opportunity that comes only once in 4 years, I'm definitely taking advantage of it to the fullest

[CryptoYar]

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If someone has already achieved his target stack, he has different reason. Big ups and downs in either direction for them is uncertainty and they naturally want stability or an upward trend to ensure that what they have worked so hard to achieve is not lost. Both reactions are completely reasonable given different situations. Error comes when early buyers panic sell on dips as if they belong to second group or when full stackers begin to buy more than intended because they see that they have good price. It is important to know what phase you are in.

[Hatchy]

Dips are cool when trying to get more sats for cheap but, when I think of a 'true bitcoiner', I think of someone who cares not about green/red/PnL.

Their favorite color is orange, and having some is better than having none.

Agreeable. It's makes a whole lot of sense that today's investors have only concern about what the market has to offer in terms of value and price. They don't really gasp the in-depth understanding of bitcoins purpose and since this idea is what the world has been building around bitcoin, it's just being passed down continuously and will continue like that even in the next generation. Was bitcoin created as a form of investment? The ideal answer for me would be no. But alot of people would argue with me on that. Bitcoin was created to serve as a symbol of hope for lovers of decentralisation. The orange pill delivered many from the hands of a government who seems to care not about any other thing but themselves. Those who adopted bitcoin not because of it's profit benefits are the real bitcoiners and we should learn from them..

[Son Of Blockchain (SOB)]

I think the hardest part isn’t understanding this idea it’s living by it. Everyone says they want to buy low, but when prices actually fall, fear usually takes over. That’s why conviction matters more than market sentiment.

I get you but instead of saying "Everyone" you should've rather said "Some people" saying everyone is like generalising and not everyone get scared when the price drops, there are people who even wish that it would go lower so they'll see opportunities to enjoy what the early investors did when the price was lower than $50k.
 Sure, those who are not true believers of Bitcoin would always be sentimental when the market doesn't fluctuate in their favour but true believer are always determined to achieve their aim of using Bitcoin as an investment option therefore they'll always see opportunities where others see reasons to fear and sell.

[Agbamoni]

One clear thing that separates real Bitcoiners from short-term speculators is that real Bitcoiners enjoy situations where they can accumulate BTC cheaper – a bear market.

I disagree with you. Distinguishing real Bitcoiners from short-term traders by using the bear market as an excuse is not right. Real bitcoiners and traders also buy in the bear. The difference is that one is more focused on buying the dip and selling when the price starts going up. Long-term investors most times dont care about the price if they are using a primary DCA method to accumulate.

[bubilas]

That's true, but the market also fooled everyone a bit. Bitcoin has been rising for a week from 58,000. It turns out that everyone was placing buy orders from 60,000, and many closed their stop orders at that level. But the market fooled everyone by breaking through to 58,000. I think many people started panicking that the support level had been broken and started switching to fiat or stablecoins. But the market reversed, and Bitcoin is now at 64,000. Basically, the market's main rule, "surprise everyone," continues to apply and will always apply. Sometimes I think it acts in the interests of a few, deceiving the majority of traders.

[Agbe]

Op you have said it all. It is only those short term investors hate the bear market because they want bitcoin to rise up and sell at high price and take their profit. And started waiting again for bitcoin to come down and once it comes down they will buy again and sell when it rise up. So a year they can buy and sell 3 to 5 times. But for those who are buying for a long term would love to see the bear market to buy more to their wallets to make it more fatter.

[SPIDERMAN008]

Investors who have not met their Bitcoin accumulation target will definitely excited when the  market is declining because that afford them th opportunity get more Bitcoin cheaper. For instance, an investor that have a budget of $10K will get more bitcoin during bear market than someone who invested during bear market. On the hand, someone who have met his objectives may not love red, they want the price to continue in one direction because that will give hem more profits.

It is true that if the price is low, an investment creates an opportunity to buy more Bitcoin for less money, but many people delay making a decision while waiting for this opportunity. If a person has funds ready to buy Bitcoin, then he should buy Bitcoin without waiting. Because if the target level is long-term holding, then price volatility in the short term cannot have much effect. And those who think that their target level of investment in Bitcoin has been achieved. They should wait. The more time they hold , the more the possibility of Bitcoin's profit will increase. They feel bad if the price is low, but if they can eliminate the mental instability during that temporary period, the possibility of getting many times more profit in the long term increases.

[Sticky Bomb]

On the hand, someone who have met his objectives may not love red, they want the price to continue in one direction because that will give hem more profits.

On special notes, those who have not reached their target, but are close can still love red because of two valid reasons:

• They have good quantity of Bitcoin already, so they're not totally missing out
• They're now quantity minded and buy during discount prices to keep getting closer to their target at a faster pace

They can always save up save money they would've used to buy periodically and only concentrate on dips alone. It's their decision.

[hd49728]

On special notes, those who have not reached their target, but are close can still love red because of two valid reasons:

• They have good quantity of Bitcoin already, so they're not totally missing out
• They're now quantity minded and buy during discount prices to keep getting closer to their target at a faster pace

They can always save up save money they would've used to buy periodically and only concentrate on dips alone. It's their decision.

If people have money, have something that can be used for bitcoin accumulation, they will not refuse to do that especially if they are experienced Bitcoin investors in this market. With them, they will be able to patiently wait for market corrections, crashes, good prices for their accumulation and entry prices. They are experienced so they won't response like newbies and don't feel panic or fearful when the market has price falls, corrections or crashes.

With them, such times and events in the market are great opportunities for their accumulation and they would feel happy with such chances.