Don't PM for merit, no magic tricks for earning merits: advice for forum newbies

[Makus]

But I don't really see anything bad in this message. All I see here is a newbie who's looking up to you as role model. May be he's impressed by your forum activities or you earn merit frequently. He made it clearly that he's not asking you for merit but to tell him how to start getting merit, what you consider before meriting a post (so he can adjust probably).

Even high rank members solicit for merits either by asking for a profile review through pm or submit links under threads for merits. A merit source made a thread for profile review for merit. Maybe it's normal when high rank members do it but become a problem when newbies do it. I don't know.

The strange thing here is getting worried just after 50 days. This is just like getting started and there's time for improvement. Tagging or ban accounts for this singular reason will be weird in my opinion.

True, but the main context isn't focused on whether the message was wrong or not but just like the subject says no one should be in anyone's dm looking for merits of begging for it because getting merits on the forum is earned and not handed over freely. High rank members solicit for merits but they are putting in the work or doing the required activities to get these merits that they seek. But I think the step of tagging the account for just this alone isn't really enough reason, he can only be warned because it's not that extreme.

[KingsDen]

So my answer was very simple. There are no magic tricks for earning merits; you have to spend more time to learn first, and then you have to contribute to the forum. Except for this, there are no quick magic tricks. This answer is for all newbies; I didn't take it negatively since he is still a learner and he may be curious about earning merits.

These two things you mentioned are great ways for newcomers to earn merits. When I discovered them I didn't struggle again to earn merits as a new commer.
I want to expatiate on them incase a lucky and attentive newbie could take advantage of this advice.

• Contributing to the forum: Every newbie must find something to give to the forum to get merits in return. Be it helping the forum with your skill, teaching new things, solving a problem, being creative and more. When you find a way to help the forum, the forum will reciprocate.
• Being consistent: As a newcomer, if you are not consistent, you would easily be forgotten and your account will stop earning merits.

This is because you haven't made any impacts to be remembered. Your consistent appearance may position your account to visibility.

[The Cryptovator]

• Being consistent: As a newcomer, if you are not consistent, you would easily be forgotten and your account will stop earning merits.

This is because you haven't made any impacts to be remembered. Your consistent appearance may position your account to visibility.

That's the major issue for newbies. They give up early and blame the forum. But they could learn from the forum and contribute as well. A lot of new users have been learning and then contributing to the forum; in return, they are getting rewards in the form of merits. Sending PM or asking questions about the merit system isn't going to help newbies anyway.

Often I encourage newbies to learn; it doesn't matter if you aren't getting merits. You will get it when you start contributing to the forum. On the other hand, newbies should know merits aren't mandatory to being actively engaged in the discussion, but that's how they have to learn about crypto and about the forum as well.

[Patikno]

There are a few threads I came across and this case was talked about, and I don't see the reason for such ignorant actions. There is a reason why its called "merits" because it was earned not gotten by pity or luck. I understand the feeling to rank up fast but there is no shortcut to success, it is important that newbies learn the basics and earn merits genuinely as that could uphold a better value for future references.

I completely agree with you, shortcuts are not the path to success, and that is the important point. In any part, shortcuts cannot be used as a reference for the process of self-development, in fact, it will worsen it. The wisest path to success is to patiently start from the bottom, and appreciate every step of the process. The analogy is like a student who always studies diligently to achieve his achievements, and he will always understand everything he has learned. That is very different from a student who always cheats, without ever trying to study patiently.

Therefore, I emphasize to beginners to appreciate every step of the way and avoid shortcuts, that won't necessarily lead to success in this forum. Especially, if you violate forum rules, that is highly unwise. Instead of seeking a quick fix, you will end up on a quick path to failure.

[NewRevelation]

I am quoting a few below, and even others who think that the newbie is begging or asking for merit may have started writing without reading the OP's post properly. I do not see anywhere in the quote that the newbie asked for merit. Rather, he clearly says that he did not come to ask for merit. Rather, he came to know what other users, including @The Cryptovator, consider when giving merit to other people's posts. I do not think it is a crime, because a newbie would definitely not know this.

Lol. It's a clever unofficial merit begging.

Rather than writing that long message for asking about merit, how to earn merit, and criteria for a merited post, that newbie can simply reading and knowing about it. Don't PM, but spend time for reading and searching, he will easily know how to earn merit because in this forum, there are enough topics and posts guiding about that.

Lol. I love the way you put it, and that's what it is. 'clever unofficial merit begging 'c

Anyhow he tags it, it is what it is.

The thing is, so many newbies wouldn't spend time reading. Of course, reading at times may seem stressful and draining. But I'm a forum like this, you can't survive without reading and dedication.

When I got into the forum, seen the structure and how things are here, the numerous post and everything,  I would say I got my first merit too early, because my mind was off the merit stuff, but I concentrated on seen how I can be amongst those who understands the systems and giving meaningful contributions, and in one of those sincere answer or response to a thread, I got merited. Waking up to the merit gave me more strength to study and get better understanding. If they can read and contribute, I think merits will naturally come

[hd49728]

Lol. I love the way you put it, and that's what it is. 'clever unofficial merit begging 'c

Anyhow he tags it, it is what it is.

The thing is, so many newbies wouldn't spend time reading. Of course, reading at times may seem stressful and draining. But I'm a forum like this, you can't survive without reading and dedication.

I feel tired when members cheat merit like you want to discuss about that and teach the others about that. It's very clear with your merit transaction history like where you posted and got merits, and how as well as where you sent your smerit to.

When I got into the forum, seen the structure and how things are here, the numerous post and everything,  I would say I got my first merit too early, because my mind was off the merit stuff, but I concentrated on seen how I can be amongst those who understands the systems and giving meaningful contributions, and in one of those sincere answer or response to a thread, I got merited. Waking up to the merit gave me more strength to study and get better understanding.

You're not newbie when you got into the forum, so all the content after that are not worth to read. You got merit quickly because you cheated the merit system, knew where to get merit from shitposts and it's not like a pride to share with the forum community.

If they can read and contribute, I think merits will naturally come

Read and contribute by posting and cheating merit?

phillipma1957 posted a lot in this forum and he posted that members like you quickly give him feeling of not newbies and merit cheating.

[Don Saga]

Every newbie has a different mindset when it comes to earning merits. I believe that merits should be earned based on hardwork and contributions in the forum and not earned based on pity or favoritism. It is my earnest desire to achieve full member rank, though it is still an early start but I believe it would come to past in the nearest time.

[Hamza2424]

Also, my advice to all newbies: don't send such a PM to any user. Because if someone takes it negatively and reports it to the admin, then you might get your account banned. On the other hand, DT members would tag as well if they took it negatively. This won't be a good practice for newbies; don't make a merit post or don't send a merit PM.

Basically he was not asking for any merits but he was being straightforward a little too much that might be enough for another person who is not as cool as you are to tag the person, but in reality he was just asking. And if he would have asked this question in this section then that would be much better.

Because he must have seen you giving merits and thought that he should ask you directly, so the next time he will make posts that you will like or others would like.

In here we can't target anyone and we should never do it for the sake of merits. They are important no doubt, but never write for merits and that's the first step how you gain them.

[Catenaccio]

Basically he was not asking for any merits but he was being straightforward a little too much that might be enough for another person who is not as cool as you are to tag the person, but in reality he was just asking. And if he would have asked this question in this section then that would be much better.

Because he must have seen you giving merits and thought that he should ask you directly, so the next time he will make posts that you will like or others would like.

In here we can't target anyone and we should never do it for the sake of merits. They are important no doubt, but never write for merits and that's the first step how you gain them.

If a user did something wrong such as begging for merit, it's not wrong if the PM receiver tags that account with a neutral tag. It's right for tagging spammers, plagiarists or AI chat bots. There are second chances and if users change, a long time later they can send PMs or open threads in reputation board for removing such neutral tags.

Without changes, such tags stay and it's not right to accuse that tagging such users is not a cool action.

Merit & new rank requirements.

Certain users are designated as "merit sources". They can create new merit out of nothing, up to a limited number per month (which differs per source). I will not be posting a definitive list of merit sources (so that people don't bug them too much), though you'll soon figure out who they are if you pay attention.

Do not beg for merit excessively.

[Fiasem20]

Every newbie has a different mindset when it comes to earning merits. I believe that merits should be earned based on hardwork and contributions in the forum and not earned based on pity or favoritism. It is my earnest desire to achieve full member rank, though it is still an early start but I believe it would come to past in the nearest time.

Merits are earned based on a quality contribution to the community,newbies aren’t meant to beg for merits rather they’re meant to learn about the crypto space and give a constructive post in regards to their own level of understanding,though it may seem misleading at the first try,but that shouldn’t kill your motivation when you’re being corrected.Dear mate,your dream of achieving a full member rank would only come into reality when you choose to learn consistently and take heed of your errors when being corrected by other high rank members of this forum.So in my own opinion,the merit system was enacted basically to those users who are contributing quality to the community.

[pawanjain]

Today I received a message about merits. I am not angry, but I think it's necessary to share with newbies; hence, I intend to create this post. I haven't reported him as well and not been tagged for that, because he is a newbie and may not know the forum culture. So it's necessary to know how newbies could earn merits. I have hidden the username; some of you may criticise him or ignore him. Here is the quote:

Hello sir, I hope you and your family are all well. Sir, I want your help. I have come to you to ask a strange question. I don't know how you will take me. I apologize in advance if I have said anything wrong. Let me tell you the main thing.

I have been on the BitcoinTalk forum for about 50 days. From what I have understood from studying the forum these past few days, most of the users here dream of first becoming a Full Member and then becoming Legendary. You have achieved this. But without merit, the rank does not increase. Sir, my question is, how can I earn merit from everyone (even from you) by posting? Please don't misunderstand me, I have not come to ask for merit from you. But I have come to you to know how I can get everyone (even you) to give merit. That is, what are the things you consider when you give merit to someone's post?

 Finally, I want to tell you that if my unnecessary question makes you feel annoyed, then I am sorry. I hope you will teach me from your valuable time.

Thank you sir,,

So my answer was very simple. There are no magic tricks for earning merits; you have to spend more time to learn first, and then you have to contribute to the forum. Except for this, there are no quick magic tricks. This answer is for all newbies; I didn't take it negatively since he is still a learner and he may be curious about earning merits.

Also, my advice to all newbies: don't send such a PM to any user. Because if someone takes it negatively and reports it to the admin, then you might get your account banned. On the other hand, DT members would tag as well if they took it negatively. This won't be a good practice for newbies; don't make a merit post or don't send a merit PM.

I can totally get this. The urge of getting ranked up on bitcointalk is real. Many people feel this way.
Believe it or not, getting ranked up has indeed become difficult after the implementation of the merit system but it was necessary to do it to filter out the spammers.
Some people are lucky to have a local board which has good activity and merit sources and those people can achieve merits comparatively quicker.
Others have to put in the effort of making contstructive posts to get merits and honestly speaking, that's the best way to get merits.
Even though it takes a good amount of time to rank up, once that happens it feels truly blissful.

[Emitdama]

In here we can't target anyone and we should never do it for the sake of merits. They are important no doubt, but never write for merits and that's the first step how you gain them.

Yeah, what frustrates most people is when newbies ask questions that have been asked a hundred times already, and there are literally so many threads available about those topics if they look through a few pages of this section, but some of them are too lazy to actually try and explore everything themselves, so instead of doing that, they decide to create a brand new thread to ask the same questions. I'm not saying there is something wrong with that, but one should at least try and find the answers themselves before doing that.

When you have the right attitude for learning, you will eventually learn everything, and this should be the start where you start trying to find the answers to your questions yourself instead of asking every other thing by creating a thread. Some newbies are actually good at this, they try to explore the forum, read the rules, and read all the threads that are pinned in each section because anyone who does that will already be equipped with enough knowledge and information that they don't need to ask questions, one thing leads to another, and that way, you will eventually learn everything you need to learn as a newbie in this forum.

[standardnepo]

I found this quite funny. 😄

I’m a newbie as well, but I never thought about doing this. I don’t know what the advantage is of begging others for merit. Merit is something people choose to give you based on the quality of your posts. As a newbie, I came here to learn more about Bitcoin, read older posts, and better understand how Bitcoin has evolved. Also, being part of a community feels good.

[Hamza2424]

When you have the right attitude for learning, you will eventually learn everything, and this should be the start where you start trying to find the answers to your questions yourself instead of asking every other thing by creating a thread. Some newbies are actually good at this, they try to explore the forum, read the rules, and read all the threads that are pinned in each section because anyone who does that will already be equipped with enough knowledge and information that they don't need to ask questions, one thing leads to another, and that way, you will eventually learn everything you need to learn as a newbie in this forum.

Well, you went a little off topic here, bro, but nvm.

It is still relatable indirectly because newbies hesitate to ask questions at the start. But newbies who do not hesitate have already gathered the courage to create a topic about a question. There is nothing wrong if, even after searching about it, they still have some doubts. But those who do not look for any rules, do not do anything, and want everything to be served to them will never be successful here.

I have seen many people like that, and they are stuck at one position due to their bad nature.

Anyway, newbies are newbies. They are supposed to make such mistakes.